Civil War Mafia: The Abolitionists Are Coming! Game Over!

[Verbal32]

[glow=red,2,300]unvote the dude[/glow]

 

Ok, I think that it might be too hard to see through the clouds covering this mess right now.  I'm tempted to place my vote on the next suspicious person on my list....which would be Blig.  I stated in a recent post that his replacement of BCX is suggestive, and also the post he made after coming back had my eyebrows raising.

 

I'm not ready to place that vote just yet, but I'd like to hear people's opinions.

[Barmacral]

I'm quite content to end this day when there's enough votes. Shockingly enough, you don't actually have to wait for Alys, you just need to have enough votes to kill somebody when I'm here. And I'm leaving in an hour until midnight EST.

[Leelou]

I said I'd vote Jelly. Basically as I see it if she is innocent then we take out Dude tomorrow and go from there. If she's Mafia, then we lynch Wes tomorrow.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote Wes[/glow], vote [glow=red,2,300]Jelly[/glow].

 

Wes, you are still on my list.

[the dude]

:)

 

All's I'm sayin' D is that if you're going to invent theories, don't insist that everyone use hard evidence and deride others' theories.  's all.  And I know you're trying damn hard to look like you're helping the innocents (and doing a pretty good job of it), but well, you and me know the truth on that score.  ;)

 

That's a nice little gear shift there, when your hopes for getting me killed before I can do more damage are once again in danger.  Wonky finder, now, am I?  What happened to being definitely mafia?  

[DPR]

 

You're not helping yourself.

 

I'm trying to look at this from a what's the best move for the team standpoint.

 

If you want to get all cocky, then by all means, start by explaining the lie.

 

I'm allowing for the fact that there is still something way off with this entire situation. A wonky finder role could explain some of it.  Your ideas were what again? ;D

[the dude]

Oooooh DPR, I think I've struck a nerve.  Surely, we're still friends?

 

If everyone wants to go with Jelly instead, that suites me just fine too.

 

[glow=green,2,300]Unvote.

 

Vote Jelly.[/glow]

[Daetirion]

I didn't think i'd be saying this, but it seems the safe middle way

[glow=red,2,300]

unvote[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Jelly[/glow]

 

I really should have done that yesterday. Ah well...

[Daetirion]

Inspirational

 

*pops the kettle on*

 

So convinient living, working, sleeping and eating in the same room, and yet so claustrophobic

 

Sorry Jell, but your a safe middle road - enough to give info but not enough to lose a finder or blow up in our faces. Y'aint going to reveal your a bomb or anything are you?

[the dude]

what's our vote count now anyway?  i can't even keep track anymore...

[loki redfern]

[glow=red,2,300]verbal[/glow]

speculating about replaced players is easy argument and also realy really stupid and its really pissing me off. innocent and mafia can be replaced. its also the way for mafia to get an easy lynch on total and utter unsupported nonsence

 

oh and how is this the safe middle ground? have you people all lost your marbles? how does lynching jelly make sence? right this is gonna seem harsh but lynch dpr, that way we should be guarranted to hit an evil (barring the dude being a wonky finder, but then he claimed he has the 'mod confirmed' normal healer) so if wes is telling the truth his role should kill the dude (hopefully if its hammer bomb think gah yeh you know what  i mean i thing er maybe) and the dude should be mafia if that happens, or wes is lieing and turns up mafia

 

why am i not voting wes right now ..er cos im makeing apoint ani really cant be arsed doing that whole glow thing cos im lazy.  and im making  point :P

[Leelou]

Vote count appears to be:

 

Verb: (1) Loki

 

Wes: (2) Blig, Luth

 

Dude: (2) Jelly, Boyo

 

Jelly: (3) Leelou, Dude, Dae

[Daetirion]

oh and how is this the safe middle ground? have you people all lost your marbles? how does lynching jelly make sence? right this is gonna seem harsh but lynch dpr, that way we should be guarranted to hit an evil (barring the dude being a wonky finder, but then he claimed he has the 'mod confirmed' normal healer) so if wes is telling the truth his role should kill the dude (hopefully if its hammer bomb think gah yeh you know what  i mean i thing er maybe) and the dude should be mafia if that happens, or wes is lieing and turns up mafia

 

Loki i think we need to resolve this sooner rather than later, and work out which one of these sets is telling some kind of truth. My issue is we have technicly 4 possibly lynch candidates:-

 

1) TheDude - claimed finder, some success but lot of reservations and caught lying. Would lose potential finder

2) Luthine - claimed healer, coming out in support of theDude. Would lose potential Healer

3) DPR - claimed prisoner role, viewed guilty but possibly bomb. Might lost no innocents, might lose crucial ones

4) Jelly - claimed finder, proved incorrect in some respect. Unless there is someone who is altering what she see's, could well be lying.

 

Of the 4, i reckon Jelly is safest middle way. If she is Mafia we take down DPR and this is resolved. If she is clear, we find out what her role actually was and lynch TheDude and Luthine. Its poor i admit but at this stage we need to know one way or the other :(

[the dude]

we seem to be losing a bit of focus here....  we went from 1 candidate at the beginning of the day to 4 now...  i have to agree with you loki; not from my point of view but from anyone else's.  the motivation right now for jelly dying seems to be fear of the bomb.  

 

now, about the bomb, assuming for a second it's true; DPR injected the idea that it could be a random person on the lynch who dies, but the only incarnation of the bomb i ever saw, it was the last person to vote who did it.  dae's volunteered to do it, so have i.  i have no problem laying the last vote down; but first we need to get 5 other votes on him.

 

i'll only be here for a little more than another hour, so unless we get this settle by then, i'm pretty much convinced that i'll be dead by monday.  that's alright, more or less; not ideal, but it'll prove my point as well as either of jelly or DPR dying.

 

lookit, i'm gonna [glow=green,2,300]unvote[/glow].  i will lay down a vote on DPR when there are 5 other votes on him.  i kinda doubt he's any kind of bomb anyway; that was just a good way to keep him from being lynched.  i mean, his role cocktail was pretty convenient:  "i'm innocent but i'll appear as guilty, and i'm a bomb too."  yeah...

 

i promise, no more jumping around.  i won't vote until it's to put the nail in DPR's coffin.  daet, i see what you're saying, and i know you're pushing to be the last vote to err on the side of caution, but we're getting scattered again here and i'd like to prevent that a bit... 

 

is that cool?

[Verbal32]

speculating about replaced players is easy argument and also realy really stupid and its really pissing me off. innocent and mafia can be replaced. its also the way for mafia to get an easy lynch on total and utter unsupported nonsence

 

I'm not quite sure I'd call any type of speculating in this game stupid.  If so, then I'd expect the last 9 million pages have pissed you off.  And as the person who caught the dude lying, are you now supporting utter nonsense?  Didn't you vote for the dude because you found his "argument" to be "a lie", which I will presume to equate to "utter unsupported nonsense"?

 

And this is why, by the way, I figured if there are so many issues (i.e. lynching possible finders, healers, bombs, etc.) with the dude, DPR, Luthine, and Jelly, then it might be prudent to think about others in the game that are a bit suspicious.  Yes, you might think that's a mafia ploy.  No, I'm not mafia.  I voted for the dude waaaay back because I suspected him.  YOU, Loki, are the one that cemented that suspicion for me when you caught him lying.

 

 

Why is it that I feel I'm in the middle of a waffle house right now?  :-\

[the dude]

by the way, thanks for the count, leelou.  :)

[Leelou]

1. I hate you all for posting so much.

 

2. I found all these nice pretty quotes.

 

Jelly's Finder Results:

 

*boings in*

;D

Guess what I found out....

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vemynal[/glow] is evil. *nods* I'm Finder.  :)

 

Well we know he was an innocent.

 

Hmm well... I viewed DPR last night and was told he's mafia.

 

Must..stay..awake.

 

I viewed myself last night (view is the right word, isn't it? *ponders on this*) and was told I'm innocent..

 

Yay nobody's dead!  ;D

 

The Dude came up as innocent when I viewed him last Night. *nods* And..I don't think we should just go and lynch him..

 

The only one we know for sure she was wrong with was Vemy, which means that we know she is not a normal finder.

 

Also the odd thing about her results is Wes's role. Here it is explained (mind you it's a full game day after Jelly's reveal):

 

I do have a role. I have repeatedly said that I suspected that other roles existed, mostly because I have one but also because Alycral advertised that they would exist.

 

I am a Prisoner. A prisoner is a new role and it means that I am being held against my will by the Abolitionists. So I’m a miller (an innocent who shows up as mafia when investigated) but I am also something else (which Alys has enjoyed taunting me about  :P).  As soon as Kivam was lynched, the second half of my role was activated, so now I am also a bomb. Before you ask:

 

1. I don’t know who the mafia are

2. I don’t know what my trigger is

3. It has been implied to me by the mods that mafia know who I am and are watching me.

4.    I don't know if there are other prisoners.

 

And what does this have to do with the great finder debate? It means that Jelly was right when she found me to be mafia. Now, this could be a random result which would mean nothing. Or she could be mafia and just trying to frame me. Or it could have been a legit finding. It's impossible to say which, but at least we have something to cross check her claim against.

 

So now by this Jelly is supposedly right by two finderings and wrong about Vemy who we lynched. And she's voting Dude today so I guess she thinks her result for him was wrong.

 

Trying to throw other oddities in there:

 

Well. Kivam has been confirmed as the turncoat. But we don't have an explanation of what that role does. What if it was a recruiting role?  I mean, why have Kivam and Sirayn on the same evil team and have him be a turncoat. That has always confused me.

 

We were told in the report by Barm:

 

Kivam, the turncoat who turned mafia, is dead.

 

*gouges my own eyes out since this thread is over 80 pages long*

 

So Dude, party number 3, we already know for a liar, or at least someone who can't keep facts straight.

[Verbal32]

huh?  ???

[the dude]

hope things are alright, jelly...  :-\

 

i've got a dilemma, guys.  i'm taking off in 20 minutes, and won't be on till...  i can make it on sunday afternoon.  now, since there are several ways this might all go, this might be moot, but anyway.

 

say we go with the DPR lynch.  i'll gladly lay down the risky last vote, but, um, deadline being sunday morning....  i'll pm the mods on this too, but i also thought i'd ask you guys.  would you all be willing to wait till then?  again, i know this is taking quite a bit for granted, but if i'm going to volunteer for something, i'd like to make sure i'll be able to hold up my end of the bargain...

 

anyway, that's all.  gonna pm barm and alys too.

[DPR]

First, I still don't think Jelly is mafia. I just don't get that vibe.

 

Second, for all of the complaints about my thoeries, all posted in blue thank you, there is some crazy $#1% going on.

 

* Loki calls Dude out as a liar, then says he'll vote for me, then votes for Dude, unvotes and says to lynch me but he's voting for Verbal. alllllllright. And speculating about rplaced players is fine - who are you trying to protect?

* Dae calls out 4 lynch candidates? Who ever put Luthine on that list? So in summary, Dae is all for lynching one of the two finders, the healer, or a very active player. Good thinking. And pulling that "he's been playing next to me" card was hysterical. I'm the one that told you to quit trying to spotlight the healer at the start of the day. Ridiculous. The Dude is shady because he lied, but Dae is also shady.

* Now Leelou is going to jump into the mix with a quote barage. I hate all of your posts, so here's a bunch that really don't tell us much?  And why don't you explain exactly how the turncoat role works? I'm dying to know....

 

So, I think it is fair to say that we are all playing against each other. Courtesy of the mods or a Kivam/Sirayn plan. I would think that any innocents would be interested in trying to figure out at least a small piece of what's going on. This game has jumped the tracks, and everybody is hot to argue right now. Which is probably exactly what the mafia wants.

[loki redfern]

if  you lynch jelly its basically 50% geting a mafia, if you lynch the dude its about 50% get a mafia, if you lynch wes with the dude on thelast vote then its what about 75%. ok so we so were still 50% on losing an innocent but its getter odds on geting maffia :P i has math. if we get jelly to start the lynch and the dude to finish it and im sure luthine dont mind voting wes, then we cover almost all the bases of wes's claimed role.

[Leelou]

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote Jelly[/glow] vote [glow=red,2,300]Wes[/glow].

 

This game is like a huge lock and one of you three is the key to unlocking the game and winning it for the innocent team.

 

 

 

 

 

[the dude]

alright, guys, i'm outta here till sunday afternoon.  have a good weekend.

[Verbal32]

Have a good weekend dude!

 

And I think that somebody else has the key, Leelou.  That's why I'm looking at Blig, and now even Dae.  If we can't decide on a risky lynch, why don't we talk about alternatives?

[DPR]

 

 

Why is nobody asking Loki why he has still not voted for me? Why is his plan designed to take out two people instead of one? Am I the only one that sees that as a bad idea?

 

I know Leelou has been dying to lynch me, but still has not really cased me? I'm cool with you wanting to vote for me, but do you have any reasons?

 

I'm not the one that got caught in a lie. From the start I have tried to gather evidence and then add my speculation seperately. I have not gotten a player killed, or forgotten how any of the roles worked.

 

What are the chances of a Kivam/Sirayn/DPR evil team? I've already said that I did not think that Dude was mafia for the same reason.

 

What are the chances that 11 players are on the board, but that a rivalry between the three in the center ring that no one can quite put their finger on is going ot produce a mafia?  There is a reason tha the debate has taken this long and is this confusing. It's because no one is quite certain about what is going on.

 

Why do you think that Dude is so sure that me and Jelly are mafia? He either lied big time or forgot how his role worked - and that is so bad either way- does he get roles or not?  He either lied again about the gambler role he claimed for me, or he has a wonky role.

 

And, because it can't be mentioned too many times, I'm cool with everyone. I don't like that anyone would imply that I'm not, but no big deal. It's a game - so no one is actually mad at one another.  Truth is, this is such a weirdly convoluted game that you know I'm loving it.  And it is always a pleasure to watch everyone in action. I kind of wish we had seen more of Kivam and Sirayn, but then again, this is bad enough as it is.

 

So , I'm going to go with my instincts and pick the person that I think is most likely to be evil. I'm just going to throw it out there and see if others feel the same.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Dae[/glow]

[loki redfern]

give me one good reason to lynch blig? one good actually reason. note the word good, rather than retarded. now im not calling you retarded. it would probalyly be an insult to the people that are, but im saying that any reasoning a mod would only replace a mafia role is.its not like there are um , oh about a million nice innocent roles, linked roles maybe something like a crazy double bomb role that would leave the innocents at a severe disadvantage if it were to be modkilled or maybe hey just maybe theyll replace roleless innocents. just for fun, and i think if they can replace then they should. but saying that they could be mafia just for being brought back comeon that is just alittle silly. its evil OR innocent, just like everyone else.  er not offence like ..just trying to get my point across. i was lynched for comeing back once in my first game(ok fairnuff meby not the bestest of example since i did happen to comeback as mafia) but still its not really fair or nice