Civil War Mafia: The Abolitionists Are Coming! Game Over!

[Naeann]

If by "telling the truth" you mean "blatantly lying and doing way too good a job of it," then yes, I absolutely agree.  :D

 

 

Sorry I know I'm dead and all.. but this is awesome! lol.  Siggy worthy for sure dude. ;)

[the dude]

If by "telling the truth" you mean "blatantly lying and doing way too good a job of it," then yes, I absolutely agree.  :D

 

 

Sorry I know I'm dead and all.. but this is awesome! lol.  Siggy worthy for sure dude. ;)

 

hahah, thanks Nae.  ;D

[Blig Blog]

I am staying with the Jell Jell lynch. Luthine can do what she wants to do off in her little world or whatever but I am staying with the Jelly vote cuz I really think that she is Mafia.

 

Other people think this also plus other's think that much info. can be gained from lynching her and that the finder situation come MUCH closer to being done. I also agree with that.

 

Luthine, tell me one more thing. How can any info. be gained from lynching me?

 

By voting for me you are saying that much more good can come from it. Which, in fact, we have more info. that points to Jelly being Mafia.

 

Why vote me when you can vote Jelly and get the much needed info.?

 

Lynching me: No info.

 

Lynching Jelly: Much info. gained for the whole finder situation.

[the dude]

Blig, I appreciate the support and don't want to seem like a wanker here, but c'mon, man, let's all be friendly-like, hmmm?  It's a game, it's fun (or it's supposed to be), so let's all not take it so personally?  ;)

[Blig Blog]

*doesn't take it personally*

 

Okay, but isn't there something weird about her voting for me when we NEED to take out Jelly?

 

That might say that Jelly IS evil and Luthine, a fellow mafia, would want to save her. She was just looking for a reason to vote for someone besides Jelly.

 

Have you thought about that?

[DPR]

All weekend, I laid out a case for preserving BOTH finders until we come up with a way to test them.

 

Then, this morning, the old argument to lynch Jelly pops back up like I never said anything. That trips major alarms with me.

 

I am pointing out that a finder lynch on either Jelly or Dude could result in both being lynched. It is possible that both are innocent and one or both holds the key to accurate finding.

 

But if we lynch one and they are innocent, the other is automatically the next lynch. And if they are both innocent we are out of luck. It's complex, I know, but i've explained why I think it's possible and why the smart thing to do now is wait.

 

We do not have to lynch either one right now – we can let both live, taking all of their information as evidence and not letting either influence us. That way we preserve at least one innocent (even I don't think that they are both evil) and locate the rest of the mafia. We know that there have to be more than one left, after all.

 

I can't understand why anyone would push a potentially destructive lynch unless they were mafia. And I'm to the point now where I do think that Dude is most likely mafia. Just today we have:

 

you guys give me way more credit than i deserve.  :P  the plots you guys have been constructing are diabolically beautiful, i give you that, but i don't think i'd actually be able to pull any of them off as well as some of you think i've been doing.  :D

 

You are trying to convince us that you are just a simple minded player? And at the same time building Jelly up to be the greates criminal mastermind since Lex Luther - heh - Trying to influence people's opinion of yourself and others is a mafia ploy. Innocents deal with evidence. Everyhting else is opinion and should be treated as such.

 

things are complicated in this game, i'll give you that, but not quite as complicated as some think, i reckon.  :)

 

Trying to calm the crowd down? Making it appear like it's not all that complicated? After the mods advertised the game as complicated? We're not all here because it was just a normal game, now are we? This is another mafia trick to get people to lower their guard.

 

okay guys, watch the votes fly off of jelly now as mafia who are lying low get off a lynch that's starting to look more likely...  by the way, i'll be keeping an eye on the ones who've unvoted already.  gotta go back and read up on the weekend stuff again...

 

Clearly trying to intimidate anyone who may be thinking of changing their vote. Total mafia move.

 

Then Boyo pops up with this -

Jelly tonight dude tommorrow... good motto.

 

Why exactly is that a good motto?  Supporting Dude without even explaining why looks way mafiaish. And makes him look more mafiaish.

 

Then back to Dude -

 

She's either the enemy, or effectively useless as far as roles go.  A random finder gives us no helpful information anywhere.

 

Except if we lynch her.

 

At this point, Jelly is a good candidate even if you don't think she's mafia.  Her role is worthelss if you think she's a random finder, whereas I actually have a chance of being the real finder.

 

There is no such thing as a useless innocent, which everybody well knows. They come in very handy around the end of the game.

 

Unless there is some explanation that I can't think of, Occam's Razor fits in nicely here: Dude was the second finder claim, and is pushing a lynch on the first finder claim,  Jelly, to try and knock a real finder out of the game. We have no concrete evidence on either except for the fact that Jelly got the wrong alignment on Vemy, and Dude let Vemy die. Don't let anyone paint it any other way. I've suggested that Jelly's claim that I was mafia might be accurate, which tipped me off to the fact that she might be legitimate. Might. We can't know without proof.

 

Now we have a new factor - Alys has called a time limit. And guess what? The person with the most votes on them will get lynched! And Dude is threatening people not to unvote. I explained in the very beginning that this is a very dangerous feature in a game - it makes it very, very, easy for the mafia to get a person lynched. I know becasue I've done it, and i'm watching it happen right now.

 

So, I'm not even wasting time on a Dude lynch. That can come tomorrow. I'm voting [glow=red,2,300]Blig[/glow]

 

1. We know that there are more than one mafia left.  I do see him as a probable mafia.

2. Blig did resort to name calling, which I've never seen him do before - while he said he did not care.

3. His play style has changed throughout the game which would imply a tactical response to a change in plans

4. Other players with excellent instincts have already voted for him.

5. Other low layers are voting with Dude against Jelly, and I don't see Boyo, Leelou, or Blig unvoting.

 

We need to take control over the lynch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Blig Blog]

You know what? I don't care.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Blig[/glow]

 

Happy? I wish I could see the look on your faces when you find out that I am innocent.

[the dude]

I have that about that Blig.  I'll admit to a certain minor annoyance on my part when I was seeing people unvote Jelly; things were going so splendidly for while there...

 

The thing I'm making sure to remind myself here is that while to me it's obvious that I'm in the right and people should be going right along with it for the good of everyone, the fact is that not everyone has that perspective, and in a lot of ways has good reason not to trust what I say.  Name of the game and all that...

[the dude]

Sigh......  D, I'm not forgetting that we're playing a game and that all friendly friends who....  er....  are friends...  yeah.  :P

 

But you're spokin' my wheels...  Yes, I want Jelly lynched.  I want it so bad I can taste it.  I've lost count of how many times I've said that....  :P

 

I and dissatisfied with the lack of enhtusiasm after Kivam got lynched... 

 

As for saying that I'm keeping an eye on unvoters, that seemed to me to be a fairly standard statement; how many others have made similar statements in this game; in all games, for that matter.

 

When I say that this game is not as complicated as some are thinking, I refer specifically to this whole "Dude-Kivam" partnership theory, cuz that is some out-there stuff.  's all.

 

I'm not trying to intimidate anyone.  I'm trying to influence, yes, I mean, what else am I going to do, right?

 

To be specific, I think that Boyo's statement was in direct response to a post by loki (post directly above his), who's actually not supporting Jelly's lynch today anymore (loki, that is).

 

I wouldn't qualify "let's go with the dude's plan today and then kill him tomorrow" as great support.   

 

And DPR, if you don't think that my push for Kivam's lynch isn't evidence in my favor, but that Jelly's erroneous lynch of Vemy is, then we aren't using the same definition of evidence.

 

And by the way, since the proposed plan is to kill Blig today, and me tomorrow, and not lynch Jelly, I fully oppose this plan.  For now I'm not making a big issue about your role claim, but it's a very neat little package:  I'm innocent but I'll show up as guilty, and you can't lynch me cuz I'm a bomb.  Nice.

 

DISCLAIMER:  I still like you, but damn are you ever in my way, man.  ;)

[Verbal32]

You know what? I don't care.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Blig[/glow]

 

Happy? I wish I could see the look on your faces when you find out that I am innocent.

 

Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't.  Methinks it won't this time.  I agree with letting the finders have one more go at viewing.  And Blig's demeanor has been steadily changing, which pings the radar.  I'm willing to wait on the dude vs. Jelly until tomorrow.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Blig[/glow]

 

By my count, we have the following:

 

Blig (5) - Loki, Luthine, DPR, Blig, Verbal

 

Jelly (4) - the dude, Boyo, Leelou, May

 

 

What's the majority needed for a lynch?

[Alys Kinch]

13 in? that makes it 8. one more than half is standard.

[the dude]

um, alys, wouldn't that make it 7?  :P

 

and i'm not changing my vote for anything.

[Verbal32]

was just about to say the same thing.....but I lost count of how many are still alive!

[Alys Kinch]

ok i can't count, so let's pretend i said 7.

[Daetirion]

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Blig[/glow]

 

Im with DPR in many ways - sane way to go about this is to have another night, see what viewings come up and who gets NK'd

 

Why am i not following TheDudes suggestion? a) i don't trust him (Sorry but in this case :P); b) i have no desire to dance to anyones tune; and linked to this c) I get really suspicious with one person specificly trying to force through a lynch.

 

As to this game not being complicated? Suuuuure dude, a game with the Barmys running it, with such high powered players?

 

To Blig : I am lynching you primarily as you are in essence more expendable than Jelly, with her claim. Suspicious activity is evident, and as to your claim we would gain no info from lynching you? Au contraire, we gain another nights worth of findings/night kill and the opportunity to see whether you are indeed innocent. Admittedly not quite as much as lynching Jelly but far less risky...

[the dude]

sigh.  you know what?  i'm gonna stop doing the mafia's work for them.  any post i make is of no value at this point because it's only picked apart for "incriminating" evidence.  i'm not going to bother elaborating; everything i say is gonna be held against me.

 

just watch.  this blig thing is gonna be some mafia ploy, in some fashion or another.

 

i hate to say it, guys, but the abolitionists are running this game outright. 

 

daet, i'll bet dollars to donuts you're mafia along with jelly.  i'm on the fence with DPR, mostly because i can't separate my own irritation from objective analysis.

[Alys Kinch]

Suddenly, there is excitement. Sirayn falls over with... what we can assume are glazed eyes because we can't really know that, what with the twin daggers embedded in them.

 

Sirayn, an abolitionist (mafia) is now dead.

[the dude]

!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What!?

[the dude]

That didn't sound like a modkill to me...  what does everyone else think?

[Verbal32]

I think that I just became much more confused in a matter of 2 seconds.  Is there some other role that allows daykills?  Any why in the world hasn't it happened before today?  Sirayn has been active now, and then killed?

 

I'm with you here dude,

!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What!?

 

:o

[Daetirion]

Well it vindicates my 'look at the inactives' idea for Mafia

 

Sirayn was hardly the most active of posters (no offence - i mean this in a lurking kind of way)

 

however i am clueless as to why she's dead...

[the dude]

is this a gift horse situation maybe?

[the dude]

oh sweet jeebus.  i am understanding so much more now...  no bloody wonder the game is the mess that it is...

[loki redfern]

er jelly if we dont lynch bling, at this point we would probably end up lynching you

 

and jellys only actually had on false viewing when you think about it. just something to think about maybe

 

*edit*

wow..that was unexpected

anyone want to claim that or are there more to come?

*edit +1*

care to eludicate further dude?

[the dude]

okay, first, loki, tell me how the following stacks up to me being more likely to be mafia:

 

jelly had "only" one bad viewing.

 

i've had "only" one good viewing.

 

anyway....

 

to tell you the truth, i don't really care to clarify, but i will anyway.  kivam and sirayn on the same mafia team.  those 2 working together have engineered the situation we're in right now.  jelly's being coached, and i'll bet daet's mafia and in on it.

 

i gotta say, i'm feeling a bit like i'm being sold down the river here.  i'm more or less convinced that all, or all -1, of the low-lyers are innocent and just aren't contributing to the game.  my mafia list so far is:

 

Jelly (confirmed, though pretty much no one believes me)

Kivam (confirmed - first by me, then by lynching)

Sirayn (seriously, what the hell was that?)

Daetirion (suspicion on my part because he's consistently opposed anything i say, minor exceptions aside)

 

i've got some vague ideas about the last one.  one of the more prominent candidates is DPR, because of his vehement and consistent opposition to me, and because of his convenient role claim.