Corner Pub Mafia - Game over

[the dude]

heh, fair enough FDM.  i've said it myself, and i won't disagree with someone else saying it.  i usually count myself a success if i don't kill any roled innocents.

 

we're off to a good start here though.  i'm gonna go and see if there's anything to be gleaned from blig's posts, though i'm not holding out a lot of hope.

 

myself, i'm in the camp that's thinking may got killed because her death tells us little to nothing.  that's the smartest move for the mafia, all in all, and pretty standard at that.

[Luthine]

my reason for everyone voting: at least we have some information to go on, if the mafia nightkills someone who has given no information day 1 then we are stuck day 2 with less information.

 

Someone is gonna die, the more innocent players who vote the better odds of getting an evil because % wise the evils will have less voting influence.

 

vote on day 1 people!

 

And from the way people voted, we can figure out a pattern later, I agree. It just so happened that between my unvoting and my comeback, Blig already had a majority ;)

 

As it is, with votes piling up solely on him, we don't get that much more info from the lynch. Besides, I will do a re-read but no one really pinged me so I'll just wait to see what other's radars are saying...

[Blig Blog]

I could tell you all who the mafia are... ;D

 

Maybe...no!

 

But then....nah!

 

I'll give you meaningless clue that goes to nothing at all!

 

Snark!  :D

 

C u all in hell!

[the dude]

i gotta say, i didn't see much from blig's posts...  the closest to an anaysis i can come up with is that he made himself a bit of a target with the drinking and mostly useless posts he made.  now, don't get me wrong, color commentary and so forth is good, and to be encouraged.   but as far as driving the game forward, he had little to offer at all.  a symp's job is to die before the mafia do, so all in all, he did his job and well.  

 

beyond that, i don't have much from re-reading.  i think that nae has the right of it with may; her posts had relatively little content (not that she had much of a chance in a single day cycle).

 

i'll stew on this and vote later today.

[the dude]

oh, and barm, thanks for the cool scene at the end of day 1.  yay merciful murders!  ;D

[loki redfern]

never say never fdm. >:D

[Winter Mist]

I've not been around a great deal lately due to a really hectic life, but I know we need to get moving on this.  FDM, thanks for the clarification :)  Daetirion hasn't spoken yet in Day Two, as far as I'm aware.  Given that and the fact he didn't vote in the first round, I'll vote for him.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Daetirion[/glow]

[Daetirion]

Been a tad busy, here and there. Back up to full steam now - although to be fair my mind is doing flips considering im still in 3 mafia games and am Modding one. Can't really see anything either from the lynch or the night kill so i'll just go back to observing from now

[the dude]

info's kinda sparse here, ain't it?

 

i haven't picked anything up yet, so i'm gonna continue with the Gut's urgings, and vote [glow=green,2,300]Luthine[/glow].

 

Luthine, i'll be honest and say i don't have much in the way of reasons for the vote, save that you're connected to blig in my mind because of posts on day one.  now, that can mean little to nothing, i know, which is why i'm making sure to specify such.  but, well, there it is.

[DPR]

 

We're close to 38 hours(?) before the deadline. I'm going to challenge everyone that has not posted yet today to at least give us your number one suspect. Even if you don't vote, you have to be leaning one way or another. Right now I have a feeling about Winter Mist, but I'm going to hold my vote until I re-read again.

[Daetirion]

Suspects - Luthine, Winter Mist and DPR

 

Proof - damn hard to find

 

[Blig Blog]

Man....

 

I wish i could tell you something but...i'm not gonna do that...it just making me sad...thing is...i can't tell you what...

 

C u all in Florida!

 

*is gone for good*

[Vemynal]

ok guys I've done a skimming reread of the game and here are my thoughts:

 

While its awesome that we killed the symp this early the evils didn't know he was working for them and as to end day 1 fast I'm sure there is at least 1 evil on the blig vote if not 2 evils (doubt all three). Another thing we know is that there must be an experianced player of a certain play style on the mafia team. they players I have played with and have shown this tactic before (other then myself) are: DPR and Loki. I also will add Daetirion to this because me and him discussed mafia tactics once and I mentioned how a great day 1 tactic is to night kill an inactive player.

 

day 1

Blig (7) - dude, Naeann, vemy, winter, jelly, DPR, loki

not voting: Luthine, FDM, Daetirion, May, Blig Blog

 

now out of all those not voting people why did the mafia choose May? Going after specificallythreatening players personally I would have (and fdm can verify this^^) killed fdm night one. When shes on the good team she seems to have solid opinions on who the mafia are. The only player on the list I can think of who would have a grude against may would be jelly whom may has a tendacy to try and lynch for fun (at least it was commented by jelly and may in their spam in another game).

 

I realize thats a fair bit of meta-gaming but its a bit of a disagreement between me and dpr that sometimes meta-gaming can be useful if you don't use it as hard evidence (think of it as the circumstansial evidence that helps paint a broad picture but can't actually convict).

 

now for a review:

1. Luthine- active enough, votes fdm but after naeann mentions fdm never voting day 1 luthine unvotes. expresses later that she didn't vote again because she was busy. Believable since we kinda didn't lynch blig till the last minute.

2. FDM- Naeann immidiately defended fdm when luthine placed a vote on her. While she hasn't posted much shes having connection issues. So far the only thing I have on  her is that he actually survived night 1, which obviously mafia wouldn't kill themselves, but at the same time that is *NO* reason to vote someone. Intuition says seems innocent to me.

3. Vemynal- I'm me, i'll let someone else play at reviewing me.

4. the Dude- Guess voted blig, thats right votes...1 in 3 chance of guessing an evil member (assuming 3 evils +1 symp) and he gets a hit. thats our dude for us^^ *stamp o innocence*

5. Winter Mist- Slightly suspicious just because she seems to want to try lynching the inactive players, somethign that I was told long ago is a mafiaesqu thign to do. not a tactic I've tried in the past though so from personal experiance i can't say one way or another.

6. Jelly- never gave a reason for the blig vote. only person I can think of who would have reasons to kill inactive may over inactive fdm short of fdm being mafia. Also defended dpr against my vote but offered no information (course my vote didn't have any information going in^^)

7. Daetirion- more inactive then usual...mind I understand the strain of being in so god damn many games...but he has the reasoning and the play style to be mafia this game...no hard evidence obviosuly at this point.

9. DPR- I've seen dpr kill an inactive day 1 before...I'll keep in mind how he voted day 1 but I lack enough evidence at this point.

11. Naeann- defended fdm against luthine's vote. Really early on the blig vote which could either be mafia trying to start a band wagon or it could be bligs tell he gets when evil-sided. another grey area here.

13. Loki Redfern- Same as dpr but less common for loki's play style. and I'm thinking the mafia would have been on the blig vote before the last position so while a grey area under less suspicion.

 

 

So in my mind the groupings are: Jelly, Dpr and 1 other to a team or FDM, naeann and 1 other to a team. Since I am *MUCH* more leaning towards jelly/dpr being mafia I think I'll vote [glow=red,2,300]jelly[/glow] because I could be wrong about the dpr connection and jelly has been the one acting suspiciously (just explainging this since my vote was on dpr, who I'm mentioning here).

 

 

Day2 vote:

Luthine (2)- loki, dude

Daetirion (1)- wintermist

Jelly (1)- vemy

 

[the dude]

just to throw some gas on the fire here, vehement defenses early in the game can at times be a tell for mafia-ness.  ;)

[Vemynal]

grude isn't the right word, sorry jelly. I simple meant you have the motivation.

 

and yeah, after reading those last two posts I'mn sticking with jelly

[the dude]

well, jelly, it's tough to explain, and i'll admit i've been out of playing these for a good while, but my experience has always been that when a mafia player gets pinned they get talkative.  it's nearly ubiquitous, especially early in the game. 

 

late in the game, everyone still alive is going to get ansty when they're voted for because the numbers count even more at the end.  but early on, the louder someone cries "innocent," the less believable it should be to others.

 

mind, this is a little like poker theory.  trends aren't certitudes.

[Vemynal]

heh, for example I just won't shut up even when I don't have votes on me XD

 

jelly, to be honest I made it clear at least in my mind why I find you suspicious and it seems to me your just trying to get out of being voted by denial so let me simplify it.

 

1) You layed low until I just voted you now

 

2) you voted without giving a reason

 

3) you defended dpr with very little provacation (1 vote usually doesn't muster defending a player)

 

4) your position of the vote count for day 1 cemented the blig lynch (which the mafia would not have known was a symp)

 

5) Blig didn't fight the lynch (reasoning below)

 

to quote dude to dsage once long ago "you should have just let them lynch you day 1, rather then fighting back and callign attention to the mafia trying to lynch you". I was mafia and tried to lynch dsage. Dsage was a symp and fought against the lynch making me have to post more which made dude (the finder) view me and me get killed. Thus earning dsage that comment by dude.

 

less concrete reasoning:

 

6) You have the motivation to night kill may over the other inactives

 

7) by defence of dpr your linked to a mafia player who has been known to target inactives to give less information.

 

 

 

those are my 7 reasons I'm voting you

[the dude]

why vem, i'm flattered.  ;D

 

i'm also mighty tempted by your reasoning there...

 

and jelly, don't be sorry.  heck, vote for him if it's makin' you sore.  ;)

[Daetirion]

[glow=red,2,300]Jelly[/glow]

 

Without a doubt following those following posts after Vemy - i was waiting to see reactions from his explanatory post and that is textbook suspicious-ness.

 

I think most people spot the patter the_Dude advocates fairly early in their Mafia career. Technicly metagaming but sooo soooo often correct.

 

ps Vemy Vemy Vemy - private MSN convo  ;). Knew i should have watched my mouth

[Daetirion]

How fast do you guys type?

 

Teach me to get distracted on Skype while typing a Mafia reply. It was supposed to slot in after Jellys "I just really don't want to die" post

 

Not that it makes much of a difference but :P

[Winter Mist]

"5. Winter Mist- Slightly suspicious just because she seems to want to try lynching the inactive players, somethign that I was told long ago is a mafiaesqu thign to do. not a tactic I've tried in the past though so from personal experiance i can't say one way or another."

 

I couldn't remember how to quote a bit of a post, so  ???

 

In answer to this, I haven't played Mafia for a long time and around about the time I left it was being used.  I would point out that an inactive character isn't contributing anything to the game though.  Mind you, they introduced time limits on the day and night periods after I stopped playing, so things are a bit more focussed now, methinks. :)

 

Daetirion, I'm glad you posted :)  Vemy has a good point about Jelly though.  For now I can see why I'd look suspicious for voting for inactives, but Vemy does make a good point. 

 

Unvote: Daetirion

Vote: [glow=red,2,300]Jelly[/glow]

[Vemynal]

that was private?

 

well in any event I should point it out, with my track record, that me and dae discussed tactics and plays and not an actual game :P (I don't wanna get in trouble again, I've been good I swear :P)

 

and sorry jelly, I don't mean to be mean >.< just I have an A type personality and when I think something I can get aggressive about it XD

 

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I'd say it took me 2 minutes to type this and 2 minutes of editing to make sure my thoughts were convayed correctly (the preview button is your friend)

 

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and people keep posting while I'm previwing and thinking dang it XD (this should have been before dae's second post)

[the dude]

it's good though.  we're getting some votes in, and some participation.  

 

i don't think it's mean to vote for someone with sound reasoning, though, vem.  it's never fun to be the innocent who happens to look bad, but these things are bound to happen in every game.

 

although i think we're getting a claim here...

[Daetirion]

sorry that Private thing was just a joke (overstating and exageration for sarcastic purposes doesn't work in text still)

[Luthine]

Things are getting active all of a sudden... You guys type even more faster than I read ^^

 

I also think that Jelly 's behavior is odd and Vemy makes a point but she's not the only one.

 

Vemy... well I'm more often wrong than right about him but I find suspicious how he and Dae support each other.

 

First Vemy "crusading" (I know this is too strong a word but the proper term eludes me :P) against voting for inactive players when Dae is inactive.

And now Dae voting for Jelly seconds after Vemy does...

 

I will do a thorough re-read when I get the chance but I don't think we should rush this too much. We still got time, right?

 

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will you let me post now? this was supposed to go right after jelly's post!

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