Perrin The Wolfbrother

[Captain General Miraj]

Does anyone think Perrin should have ran with the wolves like Elayes?

 

The only problem I see in this is: How can Perrin effect the world and protect Rand if he runs with the wolves.

[trakand_01]

And that is exactly the reason he didnt. He's ta'veren, and is integral to the plot. I can't imagine that he'd have done very much in the service of the Light had he disappeared with a pack of wolves, never to be seen again.

 

I also think that even now, we are only perhaps 2 years, 18 months maybe, from the time that he first encountered his Wolf-affinity - I'm pretty sure he's not skilled enough to run with them full time.

 

If, however, something happens to Faile, I think Perrin will go to the wolves.

[Rasta Ashaman]

If, however, something happens to Faile, I think Perrin will go to the wolves.

 

Nah, he'll definitely go bonkers first then Tinkers, and will busy himself repairing all the cauldrons. :)

[aevogt]

One of the things that I find curious is that while Perrin can enter TAR via the dream, His powers seem to be those of someone there in the flesh. 

 

When Egwene is there in the dream, she can fly or pop between two places at will.  Perrin, on the other hand, has to use the "seven league boots" method to get anywhere.

 

Slayer does as well.

 

Is this ignorance, or yet another difference between men and women.

 

 

[Jambo]

I believe Slayer actually is there in the flesh, though I could be mistaken, and I think when Perrin is there, he's there much more fully than a "normal" person would be. This probably has to do with the fact that he is a wolfbrother. I forget which books, but I seem to recall Perrin being warned numerous times by Hopper that he was in the world of dreams much too strongly.

[42Bonzo88]

    The book, Jambo, is the third book. TDR and yes, Hopper does warn him constantly, but when Faile is captured by the hedgehog Hopper is with Perrin until he frees her.

[Sumowolf]

Just couldn't help but reply. this is certainly a Ta'veren kind of thing. Seeing as Perrin is my favorite character and it was posted on my birthday. I believe that Perrin will never actually run with the wolves but I think that he may set up some sort of sanctuary in the Two Rivers for them.

[the_Genghis_Khan]

It's not a man vs woman thing, he is simply there more fully and while this limits his travelling abilities, my understanding is that he can alter the world of dreams more thoroughly than someone who is there to a lesser extent.

[mb]

When Egwene is there in the dream, she can fly or pop between two places at will.  Perrin, on the other hand, has to use the "seven league boots" method to get anywhere.

 

Slayer does as well.

 

Is this ignorance, or yet another difference between men and women.

 

I think it is more of a difference between channeler and non-channeler.

Rand I think can also pop around when he enters Tel'aran'rhiod; I am certain that the Aes Sedia rebels can when they enter.

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

And that is exactly the reason he didnt. He's ta'veren, and is integral to the plot. I can't imagine that he'd have done very much in the service of the Light had he disappeared with a pack of wolves, never to be seen again.

 

I also think that even now, we are only perhaps 2 years, 18 months maybe, from the time that he first encountered his Wolf-affinity - I'm pretty sure he's not skilled enough to run with them full time.

 

If, however, something happens to Faile, I think Perrin will go to the wolves.

 

I beg to differ, If (and I hope she does) Falie dies, will be the day Perrin lies down and dies.  These were his own words, and that would be justice for what he almost caused.  

[triadruid]

I suspect it's actually just a limitation of how Perrin views T'A'R. Like AS having to move their hand to cast fireballs, he never learned any other way, and it's what he's comfortable with.

[Guest Dreadlord]

I think anyone can pop between locations in TAR, you just have to be in the right frame of mind-you have to want to do it and consciously make it happen. For example, I bet Perrin could change his clothes if he took the time to think about it, but obviously he doesnt use TAR deliberately like the rest

[sleddog116]

I think Perrin's affinity with wolves will somehow play a very important role in Tarmon Gui'don - perhaps the wolves will join him in the battle, signifying that the Last Battle will break the entire world, not just the human world.  I don't know how Faile would be involved in that, though.

[Guest Dreadlord]

She will die, and her death will give the forces of the Light courage and hope. Failes dead, the Dark Ones next huhahaaa

[Nateku]

I think that one of the main resons Elyas is running with the wolves is because when his affinity for wolves showed up, the aes sedai around him got all extra supspicious and put him on edge, and he killed another warder. So he's kind of on the run.

 

Perrin on the other hand, never had a lot of pressure or prejudice placed on him. Yes almost everyone who meets him is unsettled by his eyes, but often times they move on or get used to it.

[the_Genghis_Khan]

I suspect it's actually just a limitation of how Perrin views T'A'R. Like AS having to move their hand to cast fireballs, he never learned any other way, and it's what he's comfortable with.

 

This.

[mb]

She will die, and her death will give the forces of the Light courage and hope. Failes dead, the Dark Ones next huhahaaa

 

From what I read so far, there seems little support for that.

Min's viewing about the Broken Crown seems to indicate that both Perrin and Faile would survive.

 

[Ndshacker]

Maybe he'll snap the crown when Faile dies?

[Luckers]

The Broken Crown is literally what the crown of Saldaea is called--he doesn't need to actually break it.

 

I suspect it's actually just a limitation of how Perrin views T'A'R. Like AS having to move their hand to cast fireballs, he never learned any other way, and it's what he's comfortable with.

 

His abilities are too specific for this to be the case--like a person who has entered TAR in the flesh. And Hopper supports it, when they seek Faile in the dream they hunt, rather than say using need to find her. That's how wolves enter the dream.

[Ndshacker]

Damn, I was really hoping shed kick it... oh well.

[EMZ]

I think that when it comes down to the LB, he may BEGIN with the army....but he will end up with the wolves. When he doesn´t take the time to think too much about it, he reverts to "wolfthink".

 

I´m not a fan of Faile. I´m not really a fan of Perrin. But her being captured FINALLY made him become more in line with what I wish he he would be, then I have to want to keep her around. I am sick to death of his goodie two shoes persona.

 

The person´s sig of "I just want Faile to die", is great. But what would be better is if the DR had her executed for stabbing Perrin to death! Ya know, for being such a pansy. :)

[Fryn]

The wolf dream is somewhat different than a normal dreamer. This is why dreamers can't see wolves in the dream world, and Perrin can (I believe Bridgette mentions it?). If anything I would guess that Perrin would have the potential to become much better in TAR than AS, because of the nature of how wolves communicate. By going into teh wolf dream Perrin can see how many wolves are in teh area, because of this etc.

[Guest Dreadlord]

She will die, and her death will give the forces of the Light courage and hope. Failes dead, the Dark Ones next huhahaaa

 

From what I read so far, there seems little support for that.

Min's viewing about the Broken Crown seems to indicate that both Perrin and Faile would survive.

 

 

You couldnt tell I was joking then

[mb]

The wolf dream is somewhat different than a normal dreamer. This is why dreamers can't see wolves in the dream world, and Perrin can (I believe Bridgette mentions it?). If anything I would guess that Perrin would have the potential to become much better in TAR than AS, because of the nature of how wolves communicate. By going into teh wolf dream Perrin can see how many wolves are in teh area, because of this etc.

 

The proper term would be Dreamwalker instead of Dreamer; Dreamer is someone who has dreams that tell the future.

Shadow Rising Chapter 28 is the scene.  Birgitte actually saw Hopper the wolf.  She only talked about the Tower of Ghenjei, not about anyone seeing or not seeing wolves.  I think it is the other way around, wolves only being able to see wolfbrothers in the Dream.

 

[Hybrid]

The wolf dream is somewhat different than a normal dreamer. This is why dreamers can't see wolves in the dream world, and Perrin can (I believe Bridgette mentions it?). If anything I would guess that Perrin would have the potential to become much better in TAR than AS, because of the nature of how wolves communicate. By going into teh wolf dream Perrin can see how many wolves are in teh area, because of this etc.

 

The proper term would be Dreamwalker instead of Dreamer; Dreamer is someone who has dreams that tell the future.

Shadow Rising Chapter 28 is the scene.  Birgitte actually saw Hopper the wolf.  She only talked about the Tower of Ghenjei, not about anyone seeing or not seeing wolves.  I think it is the other way around, wolves only being able to see wolfbrothers in the Dream.

 

I agree.  In addition, someone (Moiraine?) says that dreamwalkers or dreamers have spoken about seeing wolves in the dream and that occasionally the wolves have aided them.  I don't remember when exactly, but I think it's around when Perrin is discovering the wolf dream.