Rands "blood" or Rand's "Blood"?

[vbama]

I am new to this forum so please excuse me if this has been brought up before. Everyone seems to assume that Rands blood on the rocks...etc means literally his blood. I have been thinking lately that it may mean his Blood, or his unborn child. Maybe his and Elayne's unborn child being born at a certain place/time is the real translation. After all, she is of the royal line of Andor, which we all know is supposed to be important to TG. Just my thought, flame away. :D

[Ashandarei]

that is a good question, i never really considered that point-of-view... i don't have any of the books 'cept the 1st with me, i get them from the library, so i can't confirm whether it was "blood" or his "Blood". Hopefully someone does though.

[Luckers]

Its implied that its his blood, because if its his Blood, there is no implication of injury... like all thats needed is for Galad to go to Shayol Ghoul, which doesn't really make much sense.

[Inara]

luc id his uncle right, so if slayer were to be...ummm.....slain on the rocks of shayol ghoul (sp?) then that would aslo satisfy

 

actually, when you think about it; he need not even bleed, he only needs to be there...on the rocks

 

(if this theory has already been trashed, be nice. it was an interesting mind game)

[Luckers]

Blood requires eithe actual bleeding, or someone with an actualy familial relationship, not just his presence.

[vbama]

I can just see this view in my head when I think about the "blood on the rocks". Rand, surrounded by friends and foes alike, battles for the rest of humanity. Elayne, despite being ready to give birth, stubbornly refuses to stay out of harms way. Fighting dreadlords and other DO spawn to help out an injured Rand, she collapses onto the ground in pains of labor. On the rocks, surrounded by chaos, she gives birth to the "Blood" of the Dragon Reborn. Maybe the birth of his child gives Rand the added dose of morality that he has been missing. Like I stated earlier, just a theory. I was just surprised that I haven't seen it discussed before. :D

[Guest Majsju]

I can just see this view in my head when I think about the "blood on the rocks". Rand' date=' surrounded by friends and foes alike, battles for the rest of humanity. Elayne, despite being ready to give birth, stubbornly refuses to stay out of harms way. Fighting dreadlords and other DO spawn to help out an injured Rand, she collapses onto the ground in pains of labor. On the rocks, surrounded by chaos, she gives birth to the "Blood" of the Dragon Reborn. Maybe the birth of his child gives Rand the added dose of morality that he has been missing. Like I stated earlier, just a theory. I was just surprised that I haven't seen it discussed before. :D[/quote']

 

Oh, it has been discussed, and more or less been beaten down because it doesn't make sense. Eleyna can't contribute with much, with the pregnancy already making it hard for her to channel. If she was so close to giving birth that it could take place during the TG I think it would be impossible for her to even light a candle with the power. So what could she do, other than get in the way, and distracting Rand from doing what he must do? We saw what happened last time he had to worry about one of his women...

And she'll have duties as a queen to defend Andor, I would be very surprised if there wouldn't be any fighting going on there. TG will not be taking place at Shayol Ghul only, I think most of the world will get it's fair share of it.

 

HIs blood...Well, he does have two wounds that refuses to heal, a single drop of blood from them would fulfill the prophecy.

[Kadere]

I don't know, I like the idea of Elayne giving birth on Shyaol Ghul, making it the new Dragonmount. I don't see it happening, but I think it's a nice theory. The thing is, we really don't know how TG is going to pan out. I would assume, like Majsju, that it will be all across Randland, not just in the Blight. But since right now everything seems to be converging on Tar Valon or Caemlyn, I could almost see the armies pick up and move to the Blight.

 

If the main battle takes place on Shayol Ghul, like it has to since Rand must "bleed" there, he's got to take SOME kind of an army with him. Lan is already taking troops into the Blight, which means Nynaeve will want to be there. True, Elayne is pregnant and can't do much of anything with the power, but that's going to be true whether or not she's on Shayol Ghul or in Caemlyn.

 

I don't know. I sounds ALMOST logical while sounding completely illogical.

[Guest Majsju]

I don't know' date=' I like the idea of Elayne giving birth on Shyaol Ghul, making it the new Dragonmount. I don't see it happening, but I think it's a nice theory. The thing is, we really don't know how TG is going to pan out. I would assume, like Majsju, that it will be all across Randland, not just in the Blight. But since right now everything seems to be converging on Tar Valon or Caemlyn, I could [i']almost[/i] see the armies pick up and move to the Blight.

 

If the main battle takes place on Shayol Ghul, like it has to since Rand must "bleed" there, he's got to take SOME kind of an army with him. Lan is already taking troops into the Blight, which means Nynaeve will want to be there. True, Elayne is pregnant and can't do much of anything with the power, but that's going to be true whether or not she's on Shayol Ghul or in Caemlyn.

 

I don't know. I sounds ALMOST logical while sounding completely illogical.

 

I'm not so sure about Rand needing to take an army with him. If events turn out the way I think is likely, with fighting all over the place, and especially in the Blight, that's where the armies should be focused. Lan in the Blight, Gareth Bryne around TV, and other spread out where necessary.

 

What Rand should bring is more of a small strike force, him, Perrin, Mat, Nynaeve, Alivia, Cadsuane, Moiraine, Narishma, a bunch of other channelers. I can't really see how non-channelers (except Mat and perrin) would do much good at SG.

 

Though, with Perrin and Mat in command of their own private armies, those might join in just to be with their leaders.

[Mad Season]

I looked through the prophecies/viewings/foretellings at wot encyclopedia briefly and heres all the references to the Dragon's blood, quite a few.

 

Karaethon Cycle

 

"Like the unfettered dawn shall he blind us, and burn us, yet shall the Dragon Reborn confront the Shadow at the Last Battle, and his blood shall give us the Light."

 

"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon's blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow."

 

Min's Viewings

 

"A sword that isn't a sword, a golden crown of laurel leaves, a beggar's staff, you pouring water on sand, a bloody hand and white-hot iron, three women standing over a funeral bier with you on it, black rock wet with blood, lightning around you, some striking at you, some coming out of you. You and I will meet again."

 

Well I think it would be interesting if it turned out to mean Luc or Galad, since it seems so obvious right now. But since it says "red on black, the Dragon's blood stains" I think it literally means his blood. First off if it just means Galad/Luc/son is present it wouldn't say "red". Also "the Dragon's blood stains" can't really be taken to mean a relative. Galad being present wouldn't stain rocks. And I don't think the Dragon's blood and the blood of someone related to the Dragon can be used synonymously.

[Kadere]

aw! But "once for birth" could be his twins being born from Elayne! *wink wink* *nugg nugg* :D

[dalic]

I think at TG when Rand is at Shayul Ghul his never healing wound will break open and the evils contained in his wound will play a role.

[Mad Season]

aw! But "once for birth" could be his twins being born from Elayne! *wink wink* *nugg nugg*

Well it could mean the twins or it could be a reference to one of the many theories on Rand somehow surviving TG through Moridin's body or some other means, I'm not really up to date on that theory.

Also notice how birth is after mourning. If Rand is already dead I'm not sure how the twins would effect TG, since it should be near over or lost already. While if Rand is somehow alive when it looks like hes dead it makes sense.

[rd2000]

Don't forget that some have said that Rand IS the land. His body is a surrogate earth, the wounds on his side are the infections of the DO and Mashadar/Fain, two seperate evils on the land.

 

When Flynn semi-healed Rand from Fain's cut, he said that he set the two wounds "against" each other. About that time Slayer started to hunt Fain, and Fain started using his power to force Darkspawn to follow him.

 

From everything the story has shown us, calling Rand the Dragon Reborn is an understatement, BIGTIME. He is much, much more than LTT ever was.

[Simple Gleeman]

aw! But "once for birth" could be his twins being born from Elayne! *wink wink* *nugg nugg*

Well it could mean the twins or it could be a reference to one of the many theories on Rand somehow surviving TG through Moridin's body or some other means' date=' I'm not really up to date on that theory.

Also notice how birth is after mourning. If Rand is already dead I'm not sure how the twins would effect TG, since it should be near over or lost already. While if Rand is somehow alive when it looks like hes dead it makes sense.[/quote']

 

Perhaps the "mourning" is of Rand's body, occupied by Moridin, being slain on the rocks. The Last Battle isn't over yet, the Dragon Reborn is dead - thats certainly something to mourn over. And we know that Elayne, Min, and Aviendha would certainly mourn. Maybe Elayne goes into labor while weeping over his corpse.

 

The two theories aren't exclusive of each other.

 

In any case, I don't think the Last Battle is going to be a clear victory. I don't think it will be like Tarwin's Gap, for instance, with all the forces of the Blight retreating or being wiped out. I think Rand will probably do whatever needs to be done and the fighting will still continue for sometime and/or some will be doubtful of victory while others will be assured of it.

[Guest cwestervelt]

Don't forget that some have said that Rand IS the land. His body is a surrogate earth' date=' the wounds on his side are the infections of the DO and Mashadar/Fain, two seperate evils on the land.

 

When Flynn semi-healed Rand from Fain's cut, he said that he set the two wounds "against" each other. About that time Slayer started to hunt Fain, and Fain started using his power to force Darkspawn to follow him.

 

From everything the story has shown us, calling Rand the Dragon Reborn is an understatement, BIGTIME. He is much, much more than LTT ever was.[/quote']

 

Your timeline is a wrong. Fain started forcing Shadowspawn to do his bidding already in The Great Hunt. Slayer was in the Two Rivers in the The Shadow Rising because he was hunting Fain already at that point. Flynn's semi-healing of Rand didn't occur until much later.

[Kadere]

Flynn's healing was in A Crown of Swords.

[bcxanth]

I've always been a fan of "his blood" meaning his kin. His relatives. Elaida has a Fortelling that the royal house of Andor is the key to the last battle. Granted, that does cover Rand, but still... Then of course is the Prophecy of Rhuidean that basically states that most of the Aiel are going to die. Those two things have always made me believe that having the Aiel as well as having Galad at the last battle are what Rand needs to win.

[Word]

I noticed that you mentioned the reference to the royal bloodline of Andor being important to TG. I always kind of assumed that this was just one more reference to the dragon reborn. Rand technically is of the royal blood of Andor, being that he is the son of Tigraine who was the daughter-heir of Andor before she ran away and became a maiden. Is this incorrect?

[Inara]

nope, its spot on.

[crash]

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation.

[bcxanth]

Well like I said, that does cover Rand. :) I'm just a fan of the idea that it has a deeper meaning.

[HighLordXanthus]

When thinking of these prophecies, I always think of another author,series,prophecy. In the Sword of Truth, when Richard is captured by the Sisters of the Light, he meets that mole guy Warren. Warren tells of a certain prophecy in an ancient language where a single word is interperated three different ways Bringer of Death or something that Richard tells Warren that he (richard) is infact the one mentioned in prophecy and that all three are correct. That with the sword he brings death, that the sword also can call the spirits up of all the past wielders of his sword, thus the Bringer of the Dead, and that he had torn the viel between life and death, thus Bringing the Dead into Life or some thing.

 

Any way, I alwasy thought it possible that this prophecy could be taken that way too in kind. That the never-healing-wound will break open, that the aiel, know as the People of the Dragon as well as his kin and Blood would fight and break apon the Rocks like wave, and possibly this birth of Elayne's babies!!

 

Anyway, this is a little out there, but there it is.

[General Tam]

I like the idea of Elayne giving birth at shayol ghul being ""the dragon's blood", however unlikly it is. And if slayer was killed on shayol ghul it would still be the dragons blood. since Rand is in the same blood line as slayer.

-General Tam

[Inara]

unless the gestation period in randland is less than 40 weeks, the timing is not right for the babies.

elayne has only been pregnant for a couple of months, and i get the impression that we are on the cusp of TG. the babies will be born healthy, so that rules out premature births.

i think she will probably have much more to do with the logistics and politics of the war.