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crash

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  1. I think Olver was there to help mat think outside the box and do the unexpected cause the only way to win at snakes and foxes is to cheat and the way to get out of the tower was to bring the things they dont like which is cheating so i think that OLver will help someway with the LB cause in order to win is to break the rules (break the seals).
  2. TGS,Prologue � Graendal wonders where Demandred�s rule is. If he were with the Borderlanders her spies would have told her. borderlands is out Demandred and Mesaana plead with Moridin to help free Semirhage but he angrily refuses because she injured Rand. Demandred reports that his rule is secure. (TGS,Prologue) Aran'gar, Cyndane, Demandred, Graendal, Moghedien, Osan'gar and Semirhage respond to the call of the Choedan Kal and Travel to Shadar Logoth to stop Rand. Demandred is forced to run when he is confronted by Damer, Sarene and Corele. (WH,Ch35) Why? TPoD,Ch29 - When Rand feels saidin and his quarters are destroyed, he wonders if it might be Demandred or perhaps Asmodean returned. Asmodean is dead Demandred arrives at Shayol Ghul where he meets Shaidar Haran. In the Pit of Doom, he tells the Great Lord that Rahvin is dead and that Lanfear, Asmodean and Moghedien are missing. The Great Lord confirms that Rahvin and Asmodean are dead. He asks if Demandred will use balefire and tempts him with the title Nae'blis. He then gives a list of orders. (LoC,Prologue) What was the list of orders? LoC,Ch6 - Sammael thinks events to the south (of Arad Doman) have Demandred's mark on them. TFoH,Ch3 - Demandred went over to the Great Lord because of his envy of Lews Therin. TFoH,Prologue - Sammael is angry that Demandred is lording over the rest of them now that Ishamael is dead.
  3. The first question is tricky. When the aiel first learned of what laman did they set out for him and him alone. since jangi pass is above carhein the other safest place is tear. the aiel knowing where tear is and knowing by chance that he was on his way down there went down there to see if they could catch him thus fighting in tear. Seeing this Laman turned and headed for the next safest place. Tar Valon.
  4. Demandred General Timeline Strengths and Talents Relationships Theories Miscellaneous Quotes General Demandred, one of the thirteen original Forsaken, was born some 400 years before the War of Shadow with the name Barid Bel Medar. Barid Bel Medar was tall, with dark hair and a hawk-nose. He was considered to be handsome, though not as much so as was Lews Therin Telamon, the man that Barid Bel hated most. (Guide). (Bashere? maybe) In order to fully understand the man who would one day become Demandred, it is necessary to first understand his overwhelming hatred of Lews Therin Telamon. Barid Bel's life seemed to made up of 'almost' and 'not quite'. He wasn't as tall, nor as handsome as Lews Therin. He wasn't as talented or skilled as Lews Therin. Everything that Barid Bel could do, Lews Therin could do better. Demandred was an acclaimed man, one of the most acclaimed of his age. He held several public offices, and is known to have written books on a wide variety of subjects during the Age of Legends, for which he received both critical and popular acclaim. When the War of Power began, Barid Bel started out opposing the Shadow. For the first three years of the war, he was a high-ranking general within the army, due to his strategic vision and tactical flair. The only thing that kept him from surpassing Lews Therin in this area was that he was a gambler, and put too much stock in taking risks. When Lews Therin was promoted above him, Barid Bel was, of course, disgusted. Angry, he once went so far as to say that, with Lews Therin in charge, the Shadow had a better chance of winning. It was Lews Therin's promotion that finally pushed him over the edge. He traveled to Shayol Ghul to pledge his soul to the Dark One, and took the name Demandred. (The Fires of Heaven, Chapter 3.) After turning, Demandred turned his skills as a military general against the forces that he had previously fought along-side with. He turned out to be as good a general for the Shadow as he had been against it. (Guide) He also acted as governor over conquered territory several times, but always he returned to the battlefield; he wanted to be the one to personally kill Lews Therin Telamon. During the War of Power, Demandred committed many heinous crimes. One of the most notorious incidents was capturing two cities and feeding them to the Trollocs. His reason? He believed that they had slighted him before the war. (Lord of Chaos, Chapter 2.) To him, this was a completely suitable fate for these people. Demandred believed that anyone who slighted him should be punished. Like all of the other Forsaken, Demandred holds high hopes of being named Nae'blis. Though that hope must have been dimmed somewhat upon Moridin's ascension, he no doubt still hopes that he may one day achieve this station. Timeline -Barid Bel was born some 400 years before the War of Power. (Guide) -Three years after the beginning of the War of Power, Barid Bel turns to the Shadow. (Lord of Chaos, Prologue.) -Demandred and the other Forsaken are sealed into the Bore at Shayol Ghul. (???) -Demandred escapes from the Bore. (Time Unknown.) -Demandred meets Shaidar Haran at Shayol Ghul and speaks to the Dark One, who tempts him with the title of Nae'blis and gives him his orders. (Lord of Chaos, Prologue.) -Demandred meets with Mesaana, Graendal and Semirhage and passes on his orders from the Dark Lord. (Lord of Chaos, Prologue.) -Demandred meets again with Mesaana and Graendal. (Lord of Chaos, Chapter 6.) -Demandred once again travels to Shayol Ghul. (Lord of Chaos, Epilogue.) -Demandred meets with Graendal, Osan'gar and Aran'gar. Moridin and Cyndane also show up. (Winter's Heart, Chapter 13.) -Demandred goes to Shadar Logoth in an attempt to stop Rand from cleansing saidin. (Winter's Heart, Chapter 35.) Strengths and Talents Like all of the other Forsaken, Demandred is very strong in the One Power, stronger than most of the men who can channel in today's world. We do not know his exact standing among the Forsaken, but it is safe to say that, no matter how powerful a channeler he is, he is less powerful than Ishamael and Moridin. He is also known to have a talent that only three other's possess: Lews Therin (and therefore Rand) and Semirhage. This talent is to be able to block a gateway open, as Rand did when Aviendha ran away from him. (The Fires of Heaven, Chapter 32.) Aside from the One Power, Demandred was a good military general. He had the skills and intellect, and put them to good use both for the Light, and against the Light. Relationships with Other Characters Demandred hated Lews Therin Telamon with a deep vengeance, his only reason being that Lews Therin achieved greater success than he did. Demandred is also known to have wanted Ilyena, Lews Therin's wife, to himself. All in all, Lews Therin was the reason that Demandred turned to the Shadow. Demandred hates Rand as he hated Lews Therin. His hatred pretty much simply shifts from one to the other. He is not known to have a particularly good relationship with the other Forsaken, especially Sammael. This most likely arises from the fact that, during the War of Power, both Demandred and Sammael were military generals, and both wanted the honor of killing Lews Therin. Demandred, Mesaana and Semirhage have formed a loose alliance in which they have decided to eliminate all of the other Forsaken before turning on each other. (Winter's Heart, Chapter 13.) Theories Over time, many theories have been developed as to Demandred's identity and location. One of the most popular theories is that Demandred has disguised himself as Mazrim Taim. There has been a lot of evidence as to this throughout the series. What better way to get revenge on Lews Therin Telamon/Rand al'Thor than to get close to him, and then back stab him? Also, Mazrim Taim ordered Rand's death in Winter's Heart. However, this theory came to an end when Robert Jordan came out and said that Demandred and Mazrim Taim are not the same person. Another theory is that Demandred has placed himself with the Whitecloaks. As of now, we have had Forsaken scattered all over the world: Semirhage most likely in Seanchan, Mesaana in the White Tower, Graendal in Arad Domon, Sammael in Illian, Rhavin in Andor, and so on and so forth. But we have not yet seen any of them dealing with the Children of the Light. As for his exact identity, with this theory, it could be anyone. Some people also believe that Demandred is working with Semirhage in Seanchan. To support this, there is the fact that Demandred, Mesaana and Semirhage are loosely allied. Shara is also in the running, too, it seems. As with the argument for the Children of the Light, as of yet, only Graendal has shown the slightest interest in Shara. Once again, it would be a territory that no one has claimed, so to speak. And of course, the Sea Folk. Once again, no other Forsaken are involved with them, that we know of. As the Sea Folk control a large number of women who can channel, it could prove a temptation to any of the Forsaken. There is no other proof for this theory. With all of the theories as to Demandred's identity floating around, it is impossible to say who he is. Any of the above theories could be correct, or he could be disguised as someone else. There is also the possibility that he is simply not masquerading as anyone or anything. Ishamael has done it; Demandred could be doing the same. In the words of Robert Jordan, I suppose we will just have to read and find out. Miscellaneous -Barid Bel Medar was born one day after Lews Therin Telamon. (Lord of Chaos, Prologue.) -Barid Bel's hatred and jealousy grew with every honor that Lews Therin awarded him. (Guide.) Quotes "Should I expect more, Lanfear? Have you convinced Demandred to stop thinking he is all but the Great Lord's heir?" (Rahvin to Lanfear.) (The Fires of Heaven, Prologue.) "Great Lord, the Dragon can be destroyed. He is ignorant and weak, scattering his attentions in a dozen directions." (Demandred to the Dark One) (Lord of Chaos, Prologue.) "How much has the Great Lord known, for how long? How much of what has happened has been at his design all along?" (Demandred to Mesaana, Semirhage, Graendal) (Lord of Chaos, Prologue.) "Let the Lord of Chaos rule." (Demandred to himself.) (Lord of Chaos, Chapter 7.) "Why have you called us here? I have much to do, and no time for idle talk." (Demandred to Moridin.) (Winter's Heart, Chapter 13.)
  5. Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed. Once for mourning, once for birth. Red on black, the Dragons blood stains the rocks of Shayol Ghul. In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow. His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation. meaning That his blood will stain the rocks. Doesn't say how much or which dragon. red on black could mean mat since he is now the prince of ravens by seanchan.
  6. crash

    LTT

    Rand's body is deterating so he needs to die physically by doing this merging with mordin which in kills ltt in the process since ltt is in the mind of rand which will die along with the body.
  7. I am sorry if this has already been posted but i didn't have time to look for it. Anyways i have a theroy. KOD, Chapter 27, A Plain wooden box page 600, " Hunching his shoulders and pulling his cloak around, him he leaned on the pommel of his saddle and watched the night for Vanin. Women! He would give up all of his luck-well, half-if he could understand women." Maybe giving up half of his luck on winning battles means giving up half the light just to understand women.
  8. His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation.
  9. Shayol Ghul is where the pattern is the thinnest. Remember in TGH where lighting from the bottom to top. And where the mindtrap can only be created.
  10. Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed. Once for mourning, once for birth. Red on black, the Dragons blood stains the rocks of Shayol Ghul. In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.
  11. Then how did Mesaana know she was striped of the keeper?
  12. but everyone didn't know she was back
  13. in CoT chapter 21 A Mark when Alviarin got back from trelmaking she went to Elaida to see what she has been up to and Ferane, Doesine, Suana, and Andaya. When Alviarin went to the Keeper's room and sent for Mesaana, Mesaana told Alviarin that she would not help get the keeper's position back. So I think Andaya would be a possiblity since she was at both places.
  14. i think there is only two possiblities where he is. 1) he is with the borderlands that are in andor. cause why would so many of them leave the blight for a wide open attack? 2) in shara to go get some of those channlers and make them dreadlords or something along that line.
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