Death in the Artic - Mafia Game!

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Oh, I just got another pm from our modly mod, since he didn't quite given me all the information I was entitled to. I also get to know everyone's roles I examine. :D

 

DPR is a serial killer.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

And I have seen what FDM did in my aiel game, she got 2 of the 3 evils in the first 2 nights. But throwing out names of games does nothing to make anything certain.

 

You are absolutely correct Vemy. I merely said that for when I turn out to be correct, and I get that big fat (You were right, good job FDM!), you can celebrate with me, for my excitement is as high right now as it was when I found those last evils. It was more of a personal reference, since we can't speak out of game, than any kind of proof. :D

 

*dances some more*

[Vemynal]

DPR being a serial killer? now that i find very interesting...if your lying when we lynch him and it isn't game over then we lynch you and we are down an evil. We also know you arn't a "happy" finder because alys came up innocent. Unless of course your getting backwards results from what real roles are or w/e. Just keeping any possibilities open since we arn't being told the roles. I'm rather prepared for anything at this point after barm's nuthouse XD

 

no offense meant FDM, but after your rather dramatic defense to Kryos, i now understand why when I do that everyone and the kitchen sink thinks I'm evil =/

 

I still want to wait for Wes' response before I vote, and the serial killer thing is almost too good to pass up since if Wes isn't evil then we lynch fdm next because the game didn't end.

 

hmm unless there are multiple serial killers...bah! this is why I hate not having enough information, leads to over analyzing...

[MsDanya]

*Puzzled*

 

so... Mafia couldnt agree on who to kill? thats.. unusual  ???

 

and two Finders?

 

 

 

[DPR]

 

Fantastic tale? Moi?  :P

 

Nah, just a few observations while i still have a chance to make them:

 

I believe that FDM is a finder because I am a serial killer who has a 50/50 chance of turning up evil when investigated. So when you lynch me, and I come up innocent, don't automatically kill the captain. I think it is very, very unlikely that she is an evil finder, but it would be uncommon that there would be another finder out there, and all sides have to be considered. Also, I was led to believe that there was at least one other serial killer as well, and maybe more, so double roles are not out of the question. Nice, I know...

 

As far as FDM being so excited to take the captain's role and then reveal that she is finder after the first night, I am a bit wary - finder reveals are to be avoided at all costs, which she knows. Now the mafia knows that she is captain and finder. She usually does not stick her neck out like that and is too experienced to not know this.

 

If I'm 50/50 on an investigation, then any other player could be as well. Just something to keep in mind.

 

If the mafia could not make up their mind, it might have something to do with the navigator, who seems to be different than the captain.

 

In the event that I am not lynched, I am cool with discussing who I target each night.  Just remember that I'm the only one who killed any evil's in the nuthouse.

 

That's all I've got...

 

 

 

 

 

[Sirayn]

Uh ... I'm confused. DreadPirateRoberts, you say you come up evil under investigation (sometimes) and you can kill every night - so in fact you have all the defining traits of a mafia member? Are you on the innocent team and, if so, in what way exactly? ???

[Sirayn]

I'd also like you to explain what happened last night. If you targeted a player and your attempted kill failed, please say so but do not say who it was - if the player is bulletproof, which the text suggests is unlikely but I think possible, it's obviously better that they are not outed. This would help us to piece together what went on.

[DPR]

 

I did not think that serial killer was ever used as a mafia role(?). That would give the mafia too much of an advantage. I thought that the hint was when Ilgross was toying with Far by waiting to tell her my role so that she would be confused and wonder why I showed up as both mafia and a serial killer.

 

So for the purposes of the game, I count as an innocent. Not a very popular innocent, but innocent all the same. I'll understand if i don't get invited to the kid's birthday parties...

 

And I did not target anyone last night. There is nowhere near enough information to hope to hit an evil, so I passed.

[Sirayn]

In the games I normally play, a serial killer is a separate evil team - he comes up evil and kills every night, but he's also bulletproof to protect him from the mafia night kills - so the serial killer, the mafia and the innocents try to get each other. I'm coming around to the idea that serial killer is also the name for an innocent vigilante with a regular night kill, but the qualities you claim to have (kill every night, can come up evil) are classically evil and I find it bizarre that you're on our team.

 

Um ... full marks strategically for not killing last night, but you're saying you are not the person who had their kill blocked in the morning scene?

[Sirayn]

This is my take on the night actions.

 

the captain's murder stalked the darkened hallways. Bearing down upon his intended victem, he suddenly realised the standing outside his room were two hulking body guards...with the murder's plans thwarted he fled back to the refuge of his room...

 

Meanwhile, another group of passengers meet and argued but could not agree on what course of action to take...

 

More people roamed the corridors but their intentions and actions remain shrouded in mystery...

 

1. The captain's murderer attempted to kill but the kill was blocked. The murderer was guarded, but the text says that the bodyguards were outside "his room" - whether the murderer's room (implying that the murderer was guarded) or the victim's room (implying that the victim was bulletproof or otherwise immune to ingoing kills) is unclear.

 

2. A group of people somehow failed to agree on their action despite being in communication and having around 48 hours to decide!

 

3. Other people did stuff.

 

Since DreadPirateRoberts says he is a serial killer - I'm just going to call him a vigilante as that name confuses me - this leads me to the conclusion that:

+ Far Dareis Mai is either innocent or in communication with him, as I don't see how she could just guess that he was a serial killer;

+ there is an additional individual killer whose kill was blocked last night;

+ somebody is either bulletproof or was guarded;

+ the mafia are ... uh ... bad at communication? There must be some kind of stricture on them as I can't believe that they just couldn't agree on a kill.

 

If there is a guard who guarded somebody last night, I suggest you reveal. It's an awful lot of revealed good roles, but we'd gain valuable extra information and, hey, you could take a bullet for the finder (if she's innocent).

[Sirayn]

Wait - unless the blocked killer was another supposedly innocent serial killer. I'm finding this serial killer idea increasingly improbable. ???

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

---OR---

Wes is still lying, and I'm telling the truth and he is what I said he is.

 

I was told quite explicitly that DPR was the serial killer, and that meant he was a one man mafia. I'm saying literally as much as I can about this without quoting my pm's.

 

There is no such thing as an innocent serial killer. It's a contradiction in and of itself.

 

f there is a guard who guarded somebody last night, I suggest you reveal. It's an awful lot of revealed good roles, but we'd gain valuable extra information and, hey, you could take a bullet for the finder (if she's innocent).

I disagree. Healers should never reveal, unless they are in danger of being lynched. I don't care if I end up going down with this, since everyone who lynches me will be at fault. DO NOT reveal.

 

Nice half-truths there, Wes.  :P

 

 

 

 

[Sirayn]

I was told quite explicitly that DPR was the serial killer, and that meant he was a one man mafia. I'm saying literally as much as I can about this without quoting my pm's.

 

There is no such thing as an innocent serial killer. It's a contradiction in and of itself.

 

Normally my understanding is the same as yours, but in a recent game, an innocent vigilante who had a kill every night was called a serial killer. If you were explicitly told that he was evil ... well ... that's still potentially covered by this 50% chance. Was your PM so explicit that there is no possible way that DreadPirateRoberts could be right about this 50% thing? ???

 

I disagree. Healers should never reveal, unless they are in danger of being lynched. I don't care if I end up going down with this, since everyone who lynches me will be at fault. DO NOT reveal.

 

"(role) should never reveal" is a good line, and most of the time it's accurate, but the question should always be how can I be of the most benefit to the innocent team - and if that's by revealing, then go with it. Besides, I'd kind of like to have 2 confirmed innocents to add to my 2 dubious people.

 

PS: Guard, not healer.

[DPR]

I was not the one who tried to kill the captain. I was also confused over who's door the bodyguards blocked.

 

I don't know what the significance of "another group of passengers" is. Was this the mafia? Or another team?

 

More people roaming the corridors implies more roles we are not aware of.

 

What I said before about the navigator - is this a different role than the captain? Is the captain not navigating the ship?

 

I'm going to post this and reply to the last two posts in a minute....

 

 

[DPR]

 

Just to be clear, I'm saying that FDM is telling the truth - that's why I am describing my role.  I was not described as mafia in my role description, so I am pretty sure I am innocent :p

 

We have had so many games lately where "breaking the golden rules" seems to be a good idea, but I'mnot sure that it has ever turned out for the benefit of the innocents (who keep losing), so let me say this:

 

In all likelyhood, Far and I are dead. We are revealed, and one way or another we'll get killed. My best advice to the innocents right now is to actively focus on who else might be mafia.

 

1. I really don't think Far is an evil finder - if she is, then the innocents are dead anyway (see Sira's earlier posts) - so protect her, but count her as innocent.

 

2. As a serial killer, even if I was an independent evil, there is still an evil team out there. And i've offered to include opinions as to who my targets should be - so count me as innocent or evil, but at least I'm known. So focus on who is not. You can lynch me if you want, but you won't learn anything you don't already know.

 

3. I don't think any more reveals will really healp at this point, so before anyone does anything rash, consider that we still have no information. I'd wait and see what else happens before I gave the mafia anymore information.

 

 

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Oy, it's way too early here.

 

Ultimately, I've said all I can say about this. Lynching Wes will give the truth. He has admitted to being an innocent....serial killer. I think he is lying. If he was an innocent vig--why on earth would he still admit to having a serial killer role? If he were an innocent vig--why would he get an action every night? Why are there so many questions to this? Oh wait, because he is lying. :P What is the likelihood that Ilgross misnamed an innocent vig a serial killer? Odds do not look good in my estimation. Serial. Killer. Serial=kills more than once. Killer-kills.

 

Ilgross was not toying with me, he clearly forgot to give me the rest of the information. I had to send him a pm to clarify that receiving your abilities was part of the perks. He apologized and gave me my answers right away. Then I posted what I knew.

 

As to the doubt that there could possibly be a second Finder, in games of this capacity it is quite believable that there are multiple roles. Since I was aware that I was investigated, I going out on a limb here and guessing that the other job is a bad cop type job, that allows the person they are examining to know they were examined. I probably shouldn't have revealed that I was examined at all, and it was mostly just reaction on my part (since I do not expect you to reveal to confirm my innocence), but it also occured to me that it could be the type of role where they can only investigate roles, not alignment, which means it could be an evil Finder. This notion only came to me after I saw that DPR was a serial killer, since then the mafia would have a reason to care about who is who.

 

And if I'm lying--well, it will be quite easy for the lot of you to lynch me well and good.

 

And while I understand Sira what you are saying about the role reveal, I still disagree. The Guard/Healer (or both) will do more good maintaining silence than coming out to share their story.

 

When Wes is lynched, it will show quite clearly that I am telling the truth. Props to him though, for continuing on with the whole, "I'm a serial killer with an innocent alignment that gets to make one kill per night action...so I'm really just a VERY POWERFUL vig--with a bad name."  ;)

[Vemynal]

I'm completely confuzzeled at this point so I'm good reveal my hand in this game as well :P

 

I keep hinting at this game being a free for all or the next nuthouse or some crazy game like that because indeed we are seeing weird roles.

 

My role is Finder/Assassin, and I viewed FDM last night, what is confusing me is it doesn't say she's mafia, father it tells me she's guilty of the original captain's death.

 

I was planning on killing her tonight which is why I haven't said anything but now Wes has gone and told everyone to protect her, so either i reveal and all is known or I stay laying low and look for more evils, unlikely to find any.

 

Now I started off this day knowing FDM is guilty (unless *her* role like wes' has more to it then meets the eye *OR* I'm paranoid, something i doubt since I'm also an assassin). But Wes' response about being a serial killer has me confused as hell. Serial killer role is a lone killer role, your mafia. Vig or assassin is a good guy killer role.

 

For now my vote is on [glow=red,2,300]FDM[/glow] and I've already put in my vote for a new captain via pm to ilgross though i guess its here as well now.

 

*IF* my role isn't acting funny or FDM hasn't been hiding something about her role then the only thing I can come up with is that Wes is indeed a vig who comes up evil on occasion and FDM lucked out when saying he was guilty and so now he's going along with her about it.

 

And for the record: I get to choose to finder or kill someone every night. If I have captain I can do 2 of the same action or I can do 1 kill and 1 finder.

[Vemynal]

Wait...crude...how did FDM know he was a serial killer then? is she evil with a role and really is a finder? After all, we are bing told role but not alignment which means the evils likely have roles.

[Dark Justice]

So.

Someone tried to kill someone, and that person was protected in some way. With guards, it does not sounds like a regular healer. So it could be something entirely different.

The Mafia NOT agreeing to kill? What? Sounds just weird..

 

Lots of info, but little to go on in other words. So. Who we lynch?

[MsDanya]

we have two finders

 

we have one assassin

 

we have one Serial killer

 

and we have a group of mafia who cant decide on who to kill..

 

I dont like this  :P

[Talya]

Okay This is all very confusing.

 

I have a couple of things though, I find it odd that Sira of all people would be requesting the healer to reveal, no information would be gained except for the evil team. It is too early in the game to start revealing everyone, as seems to be happening.

 

Maybe there is more than one team, and each team could have a different agenda. For the innocents this makes it hard to decide which team would be preferable not to lynch, I'm not saying there is.

 

I can understand why Vemy wanted to view FDM. FDM though I would like to know why you choose who you did, better ones would have been Kryos, as you seemed to think him guilty before nights, or even Sira. So why did you choose the two that you did? I also beleive that you shouldn't have reveal the name of the innocent you found. They might as well have a target on their back.

 

Those are my twopennys worth for the moment.

[Leelou]

Ok, yes this is confusing...but ther is a way to try to find out who is telling the truth, we have three revealed roles. I suggest that no one else role reveal. We know upon death the role is revealed. If we pick the one that seems the most likely to be guilty to lynch we will know if at least two people are lying or telling the truth about the role they possess. Granted we won't know alignment, but it will at least give us some info to go on later in the game. Any thoughts?

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Vemynal is lying.

 

My pm said that I am Hercule Poirot, investigator and townie. I want to find who killed the Captain, and to do this I am allowed to investigate one person per night, and will know their alignment and abilities. I win with the town. And if people do not know who Hercule Poirot is...well, they should be modkilled, because it's a travesty. :P

 

I don't know how much more specific I have to get to convince you. The fact that I am giving such detailed facts, and the other two role reveals are so unbelievably vague and inconsistent should clue you in that something isn't right.

 

FDM though I would like to know why you choose who you did, better ones would have been Kryos, as you seemed to think him guilty before nights, or even Sira. So why did you choose the two that you did? I also beleive that you shouldn't have reveal the name of the innocent you found. They might as well have a target on their back.

@ Talya: I never once said that Kryos was guilty. I never once said anything like that. I said he was too eager to be captain, and that I wouldn't vote for him, because I didn't know him. If you see somewhere that I actually came out and said I thought he was guilty, please quote it.

 

Why I chose who I chose: Alys first, because she is one to normally jump out in the pack, but she has been hanging back since the beginning. Since I recognize this from her past behaviors, I thought she was either evil, or had something else going on. Of course this is my opinion, but as I've been extremely successful going on my own intuition when Findering in past games, I follow the same rule of thumb every game.

DPR...well, his adamant objections to not wanting the captain position struck me as odd. I went with my first instincts.

 

And as for revealing Alys as innocent, if I hadn't, then people would have been accusing me of being inconsistent and hiding something. Catch 22, if you will.

 

And I revealed because I got an evil. There was no way I was going to be able to sway anyone as Captain this early in the game, and I wasn't going to risk dying before I could share what I knew--since my position as Captain is most likely short lived. All of this is common sense...I do not see why people aren't using theirs--no offense intended of course, I'm just thoroughly confused by it all.  :-\

 

 

[Kryos]

I myself am undecided on a course of action at this time. I know Vemy loves to turn things around to his favor, which granted isn't always a bad thing. And Vemy, glad to see the tables have turned on you. Hehehehe. DPR has admitted to his role and such which could mean either he's working with FDM, or FDM is right, but then Vemy did a find on FDM finding out something different, so both Vemy and DPR could be correct, but then neither could be and FDM could be the only one who is correct. It's all a fun filled adventure for us. And honestly, it could be a lucky guess on FDMs part to be honest as DPR did drop the hint to his role earlier in the game which with a little deduction one could guess and have a decent chance of being right and correct. So take it as you want, just some food for thought.

 

And FDM, awe are using common sense, trust me. You have to look at it from an outside perspective. Yes, you know what you know, but everyone else isn't privy to that exact knowledge and is forced to take it on your word. That's where it becomes tough to swallow. And yeah, I know who Poirot is. Seen every single tv movie with him in it in fact, and there are a lot. My mother is an addict. Anyhow, I digress.

 

I am not saying you are lying FDM, I'm just saying COMMON SENSE dictates one to keep an open mind at this point as not enough information has been filtered out about what other objectives people have cooking in their brains. Elaborate hoaxes are always good ways to conceal things.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

I am not saying you are lying FDM, I'm just saying COMMON SENSE dictates one to keep an open mind at this point as not enough information has been filtered out about what other objectives people have cooking in their brains. Elaborate hoaxes are always good ways to conceal things.

 

Unfortunately, the only way to see through an elaborate hoax is by acting. Sitting around and beating the dead dog is not going to help. Any more role reveals would be bad. Any more people giving away that they could know more than they are saying (and inadvertently giving away their role) would be worse. The only way you are going to see that I am telling the truth is by lynching Wes. Or you could lynch me, but you risk losing your Finder, and that would be bad.