Theory on asmos murder

[purplemonster]

a well known topic as we all no but has anyone thought of fain he's well known with forsaken so asmo would no him and fain is tryin to get rid of all forsaken so he can kill rand

 

 

plus i havnt read to many theories with fain in them its always slayer or someone else

[Ealdur Tinuviel]

Why would Fain hide the body? He's usually rather messy, and he prefers to leave the body where it lies, rotting on the ground...

[drunkengrizzly]

that's a pretty cool concept. but i don't think it really works.  at that point, rand had just figured out Traveling, and i can't recall where fain actually was, but he was in Tar Valon in the prologue.  it seems like he would have still been confused by rand jumping all over the world, rather than picking out patterns in his jumps and trying to track him.  besides, i didn't see two major battles happening in the end of one book.  figured FoH would have ended on the docks of Caheiren (sp). call me dumb, but i didn't anticipate him doing anything about rhavin until LoC, so crackhead fain probably wouldn't have seen it coming either.

[Gentled Ben]

What evidence is there that Asmodean knew Fain at all, or would fear him, and why didn't you just go post this in one of the two Asmodean threads we already have?

[Luckers]

There are several issues with this. Firstly, we have no reason to expect that Asmodean would recognize Fain. Secondly, Fain as a non-channeler faces the problems all non-channelers face in trying to kill a channeler that knows they are there. Thirdly, Fain doesn't really have much of a cause to try and kill Asmodean... the man wasn't getting between him and Rand, wasn't trying to kill Rand....

 

 

[Cybertrolloc]

What evidence is there that Asmodean knew Fain at all, or would fear him, and why didn't you just go post this in one of the two Asmodean threads we already have?

I brought this up in the Darkhound pack thread, but Moridin brings up Fain and Dem (PoV) doesn't go "Who dat?" even in his head.

 

However, in a waste of an eliminate a suspect question at a Q&A session RJ said Fain didn't do it.

[BrainFireBob]

Additionally, Fain leaves bodies.

[RobertAlexWillis]

Let's put this one to rest, quick-like.

 

Fain is the only person that Jordan is reported to have explicitly eliminated from consideration.

 

Question: Would you please name one character who did not kill Asmodean? Will you please name one of the following: Lanfear, Graendal, Moridin, Shaidar Haran, Padan Fain, Semirhage, Demandred, Mazrim Taim, Slayer. I thank you for your mercy and if you can please explain why they didn’t do it that would be a nice touch.

 

Jordan: Padan Fain didn’t because he wasn’t in the right place at the right time. He would have if he had been in the right place at the right time, but he wasn’t.

 

Dragoncon 2005

 

http://www.wotmania.com/faqtopic.asp?ID=101

 

Padan Fain did not kill Asmodean.

[Digbe]

Please kill this thread and/or paste it into the other Asmo encyclopedia here.  The goal is to go 1000 pages or more, printed and bound to be delivered to RJ with an additional copy going to MONK :D

[Guest cwestervelt]

Actually, I think it is past time the other Asmedean thread is retired.  I doubt anyone has enough time to read the entire thing.  And if they actually do read it ll, I would have to question their sanity.  Besides if we are going to repeat everything we have said before, we might as well start fresh.

[Digbe]

i read it and i only found this site a couple months ago.. in fact, the majority of my login time was lost in the Pit of Asmo Doom  :-[

[Guest cwestervelt]

Then I must question your sanity.  Unless it is some twisted masochistic tendency to like pain and torture.  At which point I would still have to question your sanity. ;D

 

I will say I'm impressed that you made it through it.  I've only fully read the first 80 or so pages.  And I had the advantage of being on the site when the thread was started.  The repetition just got too much for me.

[purplemonster]

the reason i made this new asmo post instead of going to another is because my pc is having massive problems

 

 

i had never heard anything jordan had said about fain so it worked for me just didn't work i guess

[callandor]

maybe thom killed asmo. :o

 

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just a thought...

[Davram]

I am wondering.  What if Slayer killed Asmodean?  Slayer would probably make Asmodean scared.  I mean Slayer is pretty much the hitman for the Shadow.  He enters T'A'R in the flesh so he would be able to get to Caemlyn quickly.  Also disposing of the body would be easy. Then again if slayer wanted to kill Asmo he might've went to Cairhien, unless who hired him told him where to look. If Asmodean saw Slayer, he would pretty much know what would be about to happen.  Plus in WH we can speculate that Slayer has a fair amount of familiarity with the Forsaken.  Though Asmodean could have defended himself with the power, Slayer did sneak up on him.....

 

But this means nothing if we don't know who hired Asmodean.  I think it was Lanfear.  You know she might have had a stand by order for Slayer.  "You know what to do if you don't hear from me."  Plus Lanfear was the only one of the Forsaken who knew Asmodean was shielded, so she would have considered him weak enough for Slayer to take down. ;D 

[Guest cwestervelt]

Nothing about the murder fits Slayer's style.  Primarily in that Slayer has never failed to leave the body behind.  A dead body in a room with all doors locked and no windows always adds to the impact.

 

Plus Slayer has essentially eliminated himself.  In Winter's Heart he thinks about the high point of his career having been the killing of the two Black Ajah in there cell in the Stone of Tear.  Killing a Forsaken, even a disgraced and exiled one, would certainly trump that.

[Majsju]

A few other things regarding Slayer. Asmo was indeed shielded, but as Rands POV strongly hinted at, he could channel at least enough to take on trollocs. Which means enough to take on Slayer.

 

Also, for Slayer to be waiting behind the exact right door, at the exact right moment, that would be a coincidence requiring Rands ta'vereness working overtime.

 

And of course, even if it had been Slayer, the murder would still not be solved, since him as the murderer requires knowledge of who gave the order, since Slayer does not act on his own.

[Davram]

Ok so Slayer is pretty much out of the question.  But then who could it be? ???

 

It could be Graendal but in TPoD pg.266 when Shaidar Haran talks to her, he says something like 'the time when you could go your own has passed.' This kinda infers that Graendal was going her own way and not bumping off other Forsaken. This leaves an accidental meeting with Asmodean.

 

I doubt Lanfear or Moiraine would have killed Asmodean. They were stuck with the finns for crying out loud. I don't think it is possible for them to get out.  Plus, if you escaped from the finns, you wouldn't want to return.  Thom is the one who gets Moiraine out according to Egwene.  She doesn't get out by herself. Plus if Moiraine did get out, she wouldn't have been able to use the OP as a weapon, and I think Asmo was balefired.

 

Asmo wouldn't have been able to recognize SH or Moridin so he wouldn't be suprised/shocked or afraid.

 

If Mesaana killed Asmo she would have reported it to the DO but she didnt.

 

Arangar and Osangar were busy being dead.

 

Moghedien was Nynaeves prisoner.

 

In LOC pg. 141 Semirhage thinks Asmodean had vanished. So does Demandred on pg 16.

 

In LOC 133, Sammael shows ignorance of Asmo's fate.

 

A gholam killing Asmo would have been messier.

 

Taim killing Asmo might be possible I guess but who knows? :-\

 

 

 

 

[Majsju]

It could be Graendal but in TPoD pg.266 when Shaidar Haran talks to her, he says something like 'the time when you could go your own has passed.' This kinda infers that Graendal was going her own way and not bumping off other Forsaken. This leaves an accidental meeting with Asmodean.

 

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are after here. Do you interpret SHs saying as Graendal not having any contact with other Forsaken at all? If that's the case, you are very wrong, since the very day Asmo died Graendal was deeply involved with the plan to lure Rand to Illian, a plot that included no less than four forsaken.

 

And after that she is still working with Sammael until he dies.

 

Tahe SHs words as meaning that from now on Graendal will take orders from those above her, rather than following her own agenda.

[Davram]

You do have a point there. But that is besides the point.  I suppose it could be Graendal, because she doesn't have any major evidence against her. But who knows. It could be Taim as well but there is a time factor there.  Nothing else makes sense so, i guess it was Graendal. 

[Davram]

"One thing which doesn't quite fit in with this idea, though, is the bit in [TPOD: 12, New Alliances, 266] when SH talks to her. He tells her, "The Great Lord thought you might not take [Moggy's and Cyndane's] word, Graendal. The time when you could go your own way has passed." This implies that Graendal HAS been going her own way, not rubbing out fellow Forsaken at the DO's order. This leaves personal initiative and accidental meeting as the only motives for her to kill Asmo"- http://www.darkfriends.net/wheel/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.6_asmo.html#slay

 

THATS what I meant, but it doesn't matter. But you are right about Graendal taking part with the Illian plan and stuff. Check out the website, it has a lot of suspects and facts.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest cwestervelt]

Taim wasn't in any shape to do the killing.  Besides, Taim lacks opportunity.  He doesn't arrive in Caemlyn until the next book.  He was getting pushed hard by Bashere and wasn't taking any side trips.  When we finally see him, he is in rough very shape.

 

Davram:  Any forsaken who killed Asmodean was acting on his/her own.  The DO didn't order the hit.  And no, I don't agree with any Forsaken doing it.

[Majsju]

Ah, ok, now I get your meaning.

 

Of course, RJ has already confirmed that the DO did not order the murder, so if the murderer was on Team dark, it must have been accident or own initiative.

 

Graendal is the only logical killer, everyone else have way too much things against them.

[Davram]

cwestervelt-

I never had said anything about the DO ordering a hit. Though I might have implied this when I stated the evidence againt Mesaana, but what I meant is that she did not tell the DO she killed a traitor.   I didn't actually say 100% that Graendal did it, it is just that she doesn't have major evidence against her.  But that isn't the point.  Plus I DID NOT say Taim killed anyone, remember I said there is a time factor there which is what you are saying as well.  I am sorry if I sound impolite.

[Digbe]

I dont think RJ has ever denied that LTT killed Assy.  Only grinned.  Look on the other thread for LTT theories. I put one up a couple days ago. (There in there somewhere)