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[F Horn of Valere]

true... though for Voyager I'd further specify the writers/directors of seasons 1-3.

[HighWiredSith]

I was thinking more in terms of the films - Star Trek Nemesis to be specific.  Personally, I thought it a great film but other than the worst release date in the history of mankind (the two weeks between Harry Potter and the  Sorcerers Stone and The Fellowship of the Ring???) I felt like the non-hard core fans stayed away because it looked like just another entry into a tired franchise.  Even I was kind of like "meh" when is LOTR coming out?

[ironcross]

dito. i liked nemisis if only because they finaly killed off data. it was the best of the next gen movies. but it did have some pretty hard competition.  i perdict that this movie will have wonderfull spetial effect, average script (would be pretty hard to be worse then trek I) and pore to bad acting.  ill probly see it but only because we have a $2 theater in town.

[SinisterDeath]

dito. i liked nemisis if only because they finaly killed off data. it was the best of the next gen movies. but it did have some pretty hard competition.  i perdict that this movie will have wonderfull spetial effect, average script (would be pretty hard to be worse then trek I) and pore to bad acting.  ill probly see it but only because we have a $2 theater in town.

 

 

??? How can you say killing off data was the best thing about TNG?!?

[ironcross]

he just always iritated me, kinda like jar jar

[SinisterDeath]

he just always iritated me, kinda like jar jar

 

I really can't believe you just said that! Data Made TNG!

He was TNG's Kramer, Sepiroth, Master Chief, Hiro, Spock!!!

Without Data, TNG was almost nothing! (The only character who would have made that show watchable was Picard)

 

I hope you don't call your self a treckie! Cause you'd get beat up at the meetings for saying that! :P

[Shendare]

I hope you don't call your self a treckie! Cause you'd get beat up at the meetings for saying that! :P

 

You mean the psychiatrist-mandated support groups?

[Shendare]

Just to clarify, as you can see from my current sig, I love ST:TNG, too, and I kinda liked Voyager. Data, Picard, and Geordi were my favorite characters, but the show lost its only hottie when Tasha left. They really could have used Seven-of-Nine, but I don't think the guys would have known what to do with her. *laugh*

[SinisterDeath]

I hope you don't call your self a treckie! Cause you'd get beat up at the meetings for saying that! :P

 

You mean the psychiatrist-mandated support groups?

 

No, more like the treckie conventions.

[Loreina]

*giggles*

*goes back to her support group*

 

You both have valid points. Data was important to TNG, too important. I think they realized he was a distinctive asset and overused him. And that did get on the nerves after a while.   :)

 

Shendare's right - Tasha and Data could have kept things ... interesting. :D

 

[Shendare]

What better way for Pinocchio (hey, Q's the one who called it first!) to explore human nature, right? Am I right?

[SinisterDeath]

What better way for Pinocchio (hey, Q's the one who called it first!) to explore human nature, right? Am I right?

 

Except the person who made data didn't uses his gift as a sex toy, like Pinocchio's creator used his 'lying nose trick' for... (family guy refrence!)

[Shendare]

Augh! I'm MUCH happier thinking of him making use of himself with Tasha, thank you VERY much!

 

Of course, the Borg queen had myriad species' worth of experience to try out on him. That MIGHT be enough to make up for the, you know, gears and hoses and slime and stuff.

[HighWiredSith]

I liked Data early on, Worf as the series progressed.  In the first couple of seasons Data was the only tolerable character.  I hated Yar with her b*tchy attitude and overacting, ditto for Troy in her cheerleader outfit and pscyhobabble.  And Wesley Crusher - I just wanted him to die, painfully die.  He finally redeemed himself in that episode where he almost got kicked out of Starfleet Academy.  I didn't even like Picard or Rikker - but Data was great.

 

The Data character is a Star Trek staple - every series has it's fish out of water character, typically played for occasional comic relief - DS9 had Odo, Voyager had that alien dude (cause Vulcans just are fish out of water enough anymore) and I never could stomach much of Enterprise. 

[SinisterDeath]

I liked Data early on, Worf as the series progressed.  In the first couple of seasons Data was the only tolerable character.  I hated Yar with her b*tchy attitude and overacting, ditto for Troy in her cheerleader outfit and pscyhobabble.  And Wesley Crusher - I just wanted him to die, painfully die.  He finally redeemed himself in that episode where he almost got kicked out of Starfleet Academy.  I didn't even like Picard or Rikker - but Data was great.

 

The Data character is a Star Trek staple - every series has it's fish out of water character, typically played for occasional comic relief - DS9 had Odo, Voyager had that alien dude (cause Vulcans just are fish out of water enough anymore) and I never could stomach much of Enterprise. 

 

I could stomach Enterprise, its far easier to Watch when you see like 5 episodes in a row, versus 1 per week.

That said, Part of the reason I like Star Trek is the Moral, Logical, scientific dilemma's they constantly face. And Data was often the focal point of it, giving a completely and machine orreintated view of the situation that not even a vulcan can do, while maintaining the whole "I want to be human" phase that no vulcan would touch with a 10 foot pole. Data's loss was huge in the star trek series, but they 'did' leave some sorta hope. But killing him, killed the series...

 

About Wesly, it is a known fact, he was one of the most hated characters ever contrived... But once they got onto the whole 'traveler' plot line the character plot got somewhat interesting.

[Shendare]

Handy article bringing together what's known of the reboot cast:

 

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/10/18/first-look-the-cast-of-jj-abrams-star-trek/

[ironcross]

the main reson i dident like data was the fact that ever single episode it seemed he had the following line

 

"captin, i belive i am experiencing my first emotion"  after he got the chip and could have emotions all the time it was a little bit better.

[Whitestar]

Data was one of the best characters in the series.  I was definately sad to see him killed off.  I did wonder if the writers had originally intended to do a whole "Search for Data" storyline in a future movie.  They left it open for that possiblility (even had a nice body to bring him back into) but alas Nemesis bombed big time.

 

Completely off topic one thing I hated about the movies was how Piccard changed.  Through out the series he was all, "The Captain's place is on the bridge of his ship" and except for the few times where the story forced him off the bridge and into action that's where he was.  Once the movies started he was leading away missions left and right while leaving Riker to watch over his Enterprise.  No wonder it got blown up in Generations =)

[SinisterDeath]

Data was one of the best characters in the series.  I was definately sad to see him killed off.  I did wonder if the writers had originally intended to do a whole "Search for Data" storyline in a future movie.  They left it open for that possiblility (even had a nice body to bring him back into) but alas Nemesis bombed big time.

 

Completely off topic one thing I hated about the movies was how Piccard changed.  Through out the series he was all, "The Captain's place is on the bridge of his ship" and except for the few times where the story forced him off the bridge and into action that's where he was.  Once the movies started he was leading away missions left and right while leaving Riker to watch over his Enterprise.  No wonder it got blown up in Generations =)

 

To be fair, Riker did kick Picards ass in a simulation battle. :P

[Emperor]

Spoilers for possible plot of the new film...

 

If I had to poll some Star Trek fans and ask them which episode of TOS (that’s The Original Series for those of you that don’t know, and by the way, if you didn’t know that you shouldn’t be reading this article, did you know Britney lost her kids? OMG) is their favorite I can guarantee you that one episode will stand out above the rest.

 

Before I tell which one I have take my hat off to Bob and Alex for making an effort to keep continuity with Star Trek canon, showing an homage to the original show yet introducing Trek to whole new generation is no easy task.

 

One of the most critically acclaimed episodes from TOS aired back on April 6, 1967, it was the 28th and penultimate episode of the first season of Trek.

 

The episode’s name is The City on the Edge of Forever. You guys know this one, the episode where Joan Collins guest starred as Edith Keeler and the crew of the Enterprise discovers a portal through space and time. Bones (Dr. McCoy) eventually ends up messing up history and it’s up to Kirk and Spock to set things straight.

 

Here is an overall plot for the original episode: On Star Date 3134.0, the Enterprise investigates temporal disturbances centered on a nearby planet. During the investigation, Dr. McCoy accidentally injects himself with an overdose of a drug, causing him to become violently paranoid. Delusional, Doctor McCoy flees from the bridge and beams down to the planet.

 

Captain Kirk forms a landing party made up of two security guards, himself, Spock, Scotty, and Uhura. Spock finds that the source of the time distortions is an ancient ring of a glowing, stone-like material. The ring speaks and identifies itself as the "Guardian of Forever", explaining that it is a doorway to any time and place — with periods of history displayed in the opening. The team soon locates McCoy; however, he runs away and leaps through the portal before anyone can stop him. Suddenly, everything seems to shift and the landing party loses contact with the Enterprise. The Guardian then informs the landing party that history has just been altered and the Enterprise has disappeared because the time line change has erased it from existence. - Wikipedia

 

So what does this 40 year old episode have to do with JJ Abrams’ Trek film? Again, in case you didn’t hear me the last time SPOILERS AHEAD!

 

Romulans from the future, most likely TNG time frame lead by a Romulan named Nero, played by Eric Bana, finds the City on the Edge of Forever and uses the Guardian of Forever to go back in time and kill the person who has been the biggest thorn in the Romulan’s side and is crucial to the success of the Federation and Starfleet, James T. Kirk.

 

Mr. Spock, played by Leonard Nimoy in the original timeline, becomes aware of Nero’s plan (not clear on the details of how he knows) and also goes back in time to protect his best friend, James Kirk. This is where the Old Spock (Nimoy) and Young Spock (Quinto) meet.

 

Old Spock warns young Spock about Nero’s plans and it’s up to them to protect the future Captain Kirk and also help try to protect the timeline and the future of the Federation and Starfleet.

 

This happens before Kirk and Spock form their life long friendship and bond. We have been told that there is a very cool scene where Old Spock tells the Young Spock about his friendship with Kirk, so while this may sound “illogical” (pun intended) it’s been described as very emotional.

 

Hmm…does Old Spock die in this film? I honestly don’t know but I am finally getting excited about this film (despite the casting mishaps).

 

Ok, so when do we see Kirk for the very first time? The first time the audience is introduced to James T. Kirk is while he is taking a certain test that Starfleet cadets are required to take, the Kobayashi Maru.

 

The Kobayashi Maru scenario was an infamous no-win scenario that was part of the curriculum for command-track cadets at Starfleet Academy in the 23rd century. It was primarily used to assess a cadet's discipline, character, and command capabilities when facing an impossible situation.

 

In the scenario, a cadet was placed in command of a starship on patrol near the Klingon Neutral Zone. The starship would receive a distress signal from the SS Kobayashi Maru, a civilian freighter that had been disabled in the zone after having struck a gravitic mine. If the cadet chose to enter the neutral zone in violation of treaties, the starship would be confronted by three Klingon K't'inga-class battlecruisers.

 

The test was considered a no-win scenario because it was impossible for the cadet to simultaneously save the Kobayashi Maru, avoid a fight with the Klingons, and escape from the neutral zone with the starship intact.

 

In the 2250s, James T. Kirk became the first (and only known) cadet to ever beat the no-win scenario. After taking the test and failing twice, Kirk took the test a third time after surreptitiously reprogramming the computer to make it possible to win the scenario.

 

Kirk got a commendation for "original thinking", and later commented wistfully that his stunt "had the virtue of never having been tried." Kirk would later defend his "cheating" by arguing that he didn't believe in the no-win scenario. Ironically, Kirk also defended the test itself by suggesting "how we face death is at least as important as how we face life.” - Memory Alpha