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Posted

So 

 

Townish on Ithi, Turin, ... Maybe shad? I liked the few contributions that were made there.

 

Mafia-ish on Heavy, Peace. Just based on me not liking interactions that were had in these corners. I don't think it's likely for Peace, Heavy, and SD to all be mafia, but I suspect at least one there is. I know huge call, 3/14 odds. SD flipping mafia (oh nooooo) doesn't preclude me thinking more about these players it should be said.

 

Neutral on Leelou and Teph, they've been in the thread but I've not absorbed anything notable from these corners.

 

Null on Gud, dice, Tigraine, and Ed. More from these 4 would be most enlightening. 

 

But until then,

 

Vote SinisterDeath

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  On 5/28/2025 at 11:48 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Here he has me as wolfy wolf

 

Says I'm distancing and distracting.

 

 

When challenged to outright call me Mafia he decides that actually I'm Town. 

 

 

Asked weird questions about what the Town win conditions were.

 

Said I was spammy and not actively trying to solve. Said my memes were spam when actually they showed my feelings about his posts lol.Trying to discredit me at every turn. Called me wolfy. Said I was distancing. When there was no evidence of distancing said that not interacting was distancing 

 

Said I'm trying to set up a frame job because if I lead a lynch on him, and he is actually Town, then I will look scummy (his logic not mine)

 

Said Darthe had me as mafia ... and something about me killing the Coroner? I will have to find that because I read it a couple of times and it didn't really make sense.

 

Said I jump on people when they make mistakes. That's true enough. Like I said in the Night. Let people chatter on enough and they will make mistakes.

 

But I'm just sitting here waiting to see if anyone will actually drop that 2nd vote lol.

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I'll be honest.  Half of what he says makes zero sense to me, and that's being generous.

 

The wincon thing was weird.  The Darthe misread... I've definitely had those moments more as a wolf than as a villager because I am overeagerly seeking bad reads by dead villagers to piggyback XD but a misread is what it is.  I dunno the pattern I'm seeing here is just... not reading things attentively, which I can totally relate to lol.

 

Not appreciating your gifs is NAI because I also process all gifs as spam and don't look at them.

 

The distancing with Turin thing was a bit of a reach with tethering you two together but people who know each other well tiptoeing around each other when they're opposing alignments is a very real thing and without actually personally rereading it he might have even picked up on some hesitation on Turin's part, I dunno.

 

He didn't actually say if I'm town though, you kinda added your own layer of confirmation bias on that.  As best I can understand it he accused you of framing.... yourself by attempting to lynch a villager.  Which makes even less sense but sense is clearly not going to be the key to reading this guy.

 

So I dunno.  He's got some very unique flavor.  In ye elden days I'd read his wolf game but I don't care enough.  Follow your hearts.  If he's a wolf he's certainly recklessly bold.  Those types do exist; we have our own pet Zander.  I do tend to look for restraint as an early wolf tell and he has none of that.  It will be a learning experience I guess!

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Current Vote Count:

 

Sinister (3) - Ithi, Turin, berf

Teph (1) - Lee

Tigs (1) - Teph

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
 

Deadline @ 4 pm EST on Friday ( May 30th) 

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  On 5/29/2025 at 12:31 AM, SinisterDeath said:

  

That was the post you made about the coroner 11 hours ago.

I thought it was interesting that you talked about the Coroner, and then Darthe immediately dies. I could see someone using this against you during future Days as a frame job after you try to get my lynched. That's what I was saying.

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See like, these can't be thoughts wolves have, can they?

 

Wolves want to kill some heckin' villagers yeah?  Fluff some pockets and push some easy meat and don't step on your buddies too much, gg right?

 

This guy is parsing thoughts in the Oort cloud.

Posted

Tell me, people who saw him wolf last game.

 

Did his reasons make sense?

 

If hard no then ignore me and proceed with murder.

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Posted
  On 5/29/2025 at 2:16 AM, DPR said:

Current Vote Count:

 

Sinister (3) - Ithi, Turin, berf

Teph (1) - Lee

Tigs (1) - Teph

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
 

Deadline @ 4 pm EST on Friday ( May 30th) 

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  On 5/29/2025 at 2:18 AM, Shad_ said:

 

See like, these can't be thoughts wolves have, can they?

 

Wolves want to kill some heckin' villagers yeah?  Fluff some pockets and push some easy meat and don't step on your buddies too much, gg right?

 

This guy is parsing thoughts in the Oort cloud.

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He's defending his own situation by proxy.

 

SD also talked about Darthe and Darthe immediately died. If he can clear Ithi from that situation, it also clears himself.

 

Wrinkly.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 2:22 AM, berf said:

 

He's defending his own situation by proxy.

 

SD also talked about Darthe and Darthe immediately died. If he can clear Ithi from that situation, it also clears himself.

 

Wrinkly.

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  On 5/28/2025 at 10:14 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Might mean something... might mean nothing. Could just mean another frame job in the works.

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This is the totality of the post in question.

 

He only elaborated on it because he was asked to, and based on what he said I think he literally forgot why he said it the first time and only remembered when he was asked a second time.

 

defending himself by proxy is such a wild stretch lol

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  On 5/29/2025 at 2:33 AM, berf said:

Is he not? What am I missing?

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  On 5/29/2025 at 2:35 AM, Shad_ said:

defending himself by proxy is such a wild stretch lol

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Definitely.

 

  On 5/29/2025 at 2:35 AM, Shad_ said:

He only elaborated on it because he was asked to, and based on what he said I think he literally forgot why he said it the first time and only remembered when he was asked a second time

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Also possible.

I might need that rum. My brains not braining and I'm misremembering things I've read.

 

Like, I could have sworn I read Darthe saying there was a wolf between Turin and Ithillian. Then I go back and read it again today after Ithillian points it out, and Darthe clearly wrote that he cleared them as town? And the post was definitely never edited.

 

That's not the first time that's happened to me today... There was a certain post in the the chat lounge that came up in my notifications from a few weeks back, that I swear I voted for Verb...

 

So here's a thought.

 

What do you make of Ithillian's reluctantancy to give a read list, after being asked.. 

Won't do it until I gave one.

 

I finally do.

And as far as I can remember, Ithillian still never gave a read list on all those people requested?

 

Peace... Sort of gave one when requested.

 

I specifically asked Darthe for one.

Then Mafia kills em.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 1:45 AM, berf said:

The worst part for me is the assumption that the NK on Darthe can only be one of two things (with a third thing snuck in to bury it's priority in your thinking): Either Darthe's list was CORRECT, or this is a TRAP to SETUP SD. 

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How would it be a trap to set up SD?  Darthe's wolf reads were you and Heavy lol

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I mean, I don't know what else to call that.

 

SD was calling Ithi's near-death interactions with Darthe as a possible bit of future manufactured evidence to be used against her.

 

Ostensibly SD is doing this to flag that Ithi's interactions are NOT necessarily sus. 

 

Given SD's in the same boat, ie, interacted with Darthe near to his death, if there's a successful argument to be made that Ithi's behaviour wasn't sus, SD can hope to then apply that argument to their own clutch of interactions.

 

Given I do find SD's interactions (mentions and non-mentions, really) with Darthe to be sus before this convo regardless, I guess I'm just feeding my own beliefs with this proxy observation. But the pieces fit together for me, so onward I press. I've no better candidate.

 

SD was very quick to point out how this NK was all about trapping him in a situation (which maybe I've fallen for), or Darthe was killed because he knew too much. I think this is too narrow a thought process, and it's very conceivable that SD spent the night positioning himself to appear "too obvious" a mafia patsy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
  On 5/29/2025 at 2:50 AM, berf said:

and it's very conceivable that SD spent the night positioning himself to appear "too obvious" a mafia patsy.

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Or... Here me out.

 

I'm a natural lightning rod no matter my alignment, and Mafia are going to factor that into whatever they're plotting.

 

@DPR this is why I mentioned that role last game. Lmao.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 2:48 AM, Shad_ said:

 

How would it be a trap to set up SD?  Darthe's wolf reads were you and Heavy lol

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The play as I see it:

 

Mafia notice Darthe has no SD read during the post.

SD makes a 'big' deal of it in thread.

NK in on Darthe.

SD "Whelp, I look sus now huh?"

 

I feel like SD tangled himself in Darthe business, only so he could later say "I'm too tangled in Darthe business, it's far too suspicious of me as mafia to kill Darthe, therefore I am not mafia."

 

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So, mafia taking advantage of the SD miss from Darthe's read, is my main theory.

 

The alternative is it's not SD, but I don't think it it's Ithi, less so Turin. A deep dive on Heavy would be my next uh item I guess if the SD train derails. But given what I feel like I saw in SDs language when addressing certain topics, I'm ok leaving the vote for now.

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So what you're telling me

 

Is that you think SD felt he would take some heat for talking about the coroner right before the coroner died

 

So he found a villager who talked about the coroner right before the coroner died

 

And said that if she's a villager a wolf might try to accuse her of talking about the coroner right before the coroner died

 

To plant the seed that people who talked about the coroner right before the coroner died are villagers in the event that she is determined to be a villager and he is subsequently accused of being a wolf for talking about the coroner right before the coroner died

 

And he expressed this with the words Might mean something... might mean nothing. Could just mean another frame job in the works.

 

What level are we playing on here?

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  On 5/29/2025 at 3:02 AM, berf said:

 

The play as I see it:

 

Mafia notice Darthe has no SD read during the post.

SD makes a 'big' deal of it in thread.

NK in on Darthe.

SD "Whelp, I look sus now huh?"

 

I feel like SD tangled himself in Darthe business, only so he could later say "I'm too tangled in Darthe business, it's far too suspicious of me as mafia to kill Darthe, therefore I am not mafia."

 

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Ok this is at least a conceivable thought process.

 

Did SD actually say any of that though or are you making up things that didn't happen for an excuse to park your vote?

 

Maybe he did posit that he must be a villager because a wolf in his position wouldn't kill Darthe then but if so I missed it.

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I dunno mate even in a world where SD is a wolf and you are a villager I feel like you caught him on a gut level and your articulation of why you feel that way lost the plot.

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  On 5/28/2025 at 9:09 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Well, Either Darthe was right on the money about a group of people and got killed for it. 

 

Or someone took an opportunity pot shot after seeing this

And is just going for an easy day lynch to so they can speed things along right into N2 to wrack up the townie kill count?

 

Or maybe a little bit from Column A and a little bit of Column B, and maybe from Column C hoping we'd eye Darthe's List closer, when in reality his list is absolutely wrong.

 

  

For the record I wasn't ignoring this. I'm Town, and you've been taking pot shots at me all day, with your gifs, and semblance of words that sometimes form these things we call sentences.

I can't know if the other pot shots you've made are against town or wolf... Though I suspect you'd know more about their alignment then I would. 😛

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This is getting formattingly ugly but @Shad_ this is the post where I feel SD is talking about how this play feels targetted at him. 

 

That pot shot comment is referring to mafia making SD look bad by killing Darthe, no?

 

Like do your thing, shake it up, but I feel my arguments are sound.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 3:12 AM, Shad_ said:

I dunno mate even in a world where SD is a wolf and you are a villager I feel like you caught him on a gut level and your articulation of why you feel that way lost the plot.

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I accept this. 

 

I am playing vibes mafia and my words are often wordy. I am available for clarifications. Apologies.

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Posted
  On 5/29/2025 at 3:02 AM, berf said:

Mafia notice Darthe has no SD read during the post.

SD makes a 'big' deal of it in thread.

NK in on Darthe.

SD "Whelp, I look sus now huh?"

 

I feel like SD tangled himself in Darthe business, only so he could later say "I'm too tangled in Darthe business, it's far too suspicious of me as mafia to kill Darthe, therefore I am not mafia."

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You realize the WIFOM becomes an infinite circle in either Town!SD or Mafia!SD, right?

 

Either I'm an idiot, or a genius, a Mastermind, or a terrible Mafia player, or I have incredibly components Mafia team mates bussing me as I head straight to the grave.

 

Or I'm Town, getting setup, and I'm just running my mouth, while the Mafia steer the conversation, or slank and let the town steer it in the direction they want them to. 

 

Either way, I think the end result is the same. I know my alignment is town.

A cop could confirm that, assuming they don't get RB'd, or bussed.

 

I could get shot today, but that assumes someone gave Ed the gun, and then yall will have to find a new train. But then you'll lose another townie.

 

Posted
  On 5/28/2025 at 11:33 PM, Shad_ said:

Wolves slanking while villagers yell at each other?  Say it ain't so!  

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I know this is sarcastic but do you really think its been town on town crime.  You've been making the case for town SD pretty hard...what about Ithi?  Her emo seemed real at the end there before she logged of.  
 

  On 5/29/2025 at 12:34 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Oh... so all your saying I was super wolfy and suss was to protect me lol

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I've quoted Shad later in this post but Scum wolf in the last was a major fence sitter.  I'll explain more below.  

  On 5/29/2025 at 1:55 AM, berf said:

So 

 

Townish on Ithi, Turin, ... Maybe shad? I liked the few contributions that were made there.

 

Mafia-ish on Heavy, Peace. Just based on me not liking interactions that were had in these corners. I don't think it's likely for Peace, Heavy, and SD to all be mafia, but I suspect at least one there is. I know huge call, 3/14 odds. SD flipping mafia (oh nooooo) doesn't preclude me thinking more about these players it should be said.

 

Neutral on Leelou and Teph, they've been in the thread but I've not absorbed anything notable from these corners.

 

Null on Gud, dice, Tigraine, and Ed. More from these 4 would be most enlightening. 

 

But until then,

 

Vote SinisterDeath

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The 3rd vote was my vote.  I think I was clear in that regard.

  On 5/29/2025 at 2:21 AM, Shad_ said:

Tell me, people who saw him wolf last game.

 

Did his reasons make sense?

 

If hard no then ignore me and proceed with murder.

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Day 1 last game the two competing trains were Me(town) and SD(scum).  I saw something that tingled my spidey senses and put a third vote on him when there was no competing train.  When people didnt like how hard I was pushing for votes a train got built up on me.  

He refused to hammer me even if as a town player it would have been a plus equity play.  Legit placed a 1st vote on someone else up against the deadline so he would not be on my train.

He was obviously obtuse, at least to me.  Fence sitting etc, spouting weird stuff.  Rolling dice and talking about tarot cards as a distraction.  (Darthe a distraction maybe?)

He also played the -I'm always the lightning rod- line.  

Looks to me like he is using a different gambit but the same playbook.

Berf stole my 3rd vote so mine isn't needed now as 3 votes is enough to bring people out the wood work.

My theory on vote pressure is nullified quite a bit no coroner report.  That triggered a memory.  I'm go see if I can find something Ithi said.  

 

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Before I forget, a point about SD being obtuse....Ithi's gifs were almost all game related.  At least I read them that way.  They were answers if not the ones he wanted.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 3:12 AM, berf said:

 

 

This is getting formattingly ugly but @Shad_ this is the post where I feel SD is talking about how this play feels targetted at him. 

 

That pot shot comment is referring to mafia making SD look bad by killing Darthe, no?

 

Like do your thing, shake it up, but I feel my arguments are sound.

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hmm

 

Is he talking about himself there?

 

The post he quotes shakes things up.  He shades Ithi (Darthe's village read) and lightly defends Heavy (Darthe's wolf read) and pings Darthe asking him to have a think about it.  Says maybe wolves took an opportunistic pot shot because they wanted easy mislynches.  He juxtaposes this to the alternate notion that Darthe was shot for being dead right.  This reads to me like he's saying maybe wolves didn't want him changing the script and wanted us to stick to Darthe's bad reads.  But then he adds maybe Darthe had bad reads as a third option?  And he thought Darthe thought Ithi was a wolf?  lol ok I don't get it.  SD speaks in riddles and tongues.

 

We're in a weird place for discussion because his lines can be interpreted so many different ways.  Maybe on this one you're right and I'm misreading it.  

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