Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[dicetosser1]

How many hours left to dl?

[Zander?]

If you're a Villager with me there's at least 1 more.  You convince me and very likely the villager will follow.

[Zander?]

3 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

How many hours left to dl?

6 hours 10 mins I believe 

[seph]

37 minutes ago, seph said:

A roleblock would stop both actions from my understanding.

This post ><. This is not what mechanically cleared means and the fact that you are arguing so adamantly that the game mechanics make Verb town in your mind, while simultaneously while trying to find ways to ignore the block last night is telling. You keep coming up with what if scenarios but mechanically cleared is what GUS IS. A roleblocked player is not killing someone (We have talked about the what ifs enough)

 

When your scenarios dont work on discrediting you throws out Joat can be scum lol, but refuse to think neighbors can be??? Why use your opinions to try to mech clear someone but refuse gameplay that might mech clear someone unless something very paticular happened on a 20% chance that may not even be in the game.... 

I'm done with this argument and I am almost done trying here tbh. Dice is killing my win with speculation so congrats if your a wolf.

 

 

Of course I don't know, but you keep putting dont know's into everything and it looks to be as an attempt to just confuse the game. I think zander is the only person besides me to actually look at gameplay today besides prodding at current posts today and its been rather infuriating. 

I am literally only talking mechanics because YOU, ZANDER and VERB only talk about them in your attempts to solve today. I'm tired of unknown things being tossed around to solve today.

I swear this horse is a corpse with the amount of times we beat it.

 

Look, there are two wolves and I get that you think Gud is one of them. We really need a consensus today and I am never voting there  It doesn't make sense, so we can just drop the spec talk. 

I am going to trust my ability, and it makes it far less likely that she is a wolf than someone else In this game.

You all can vote with me today and solve this or I think we probably end up losing.

Look at the bold Zander, I am not ignoring the fact that it could be blocked.
Can you cancel my RB
Can Dice?
We know Verb couldn't
This leaves Gud have one of the few abilities we talked about, and hitting it correctly.
I am ignoring speculation.
I used X ability, 2 kills still come through. Me believing my roleblock workedis much less speculation than trying to come up with a reason that it didn't. I am not ignoring you all It is just less likely.
I at least have a constant factor in my argument that I used X ability. You are all changing the other variables by stating Y+Z  could have happened to change the outcome of X. 

Which is more likely in your opinion? 
The roleblock went through.
Or the 1 player with the one ability that could counter it hit the 20% chance and picked me.

[dicetosser1]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

6 hours 10 mins I believe 

ty. I can get at least a few hours sleep then

[Verbal32]

12 hours ago, Zander? said:

Interesting as well.  Noones commented besides me about the fact Verb hasn't been hammered yet and what that more than likely implies.

 

And also interestingly, noone is asking about my post either.

 

I'm not caught up yet (on 110), but to me it implies scum is already on my train.

[Zander?]

Just now, seph said:

Look at the bold Zander, I am not ignoring the fact that it could be blocked.
Can you cancel my RB
Can Dice?
We know Verb couldn't
This leaves Gud have one of the few abilities we talked about, and hitting it correctly.
I am ignoring speculation.
I used X ability, 2 kills still come through. Me believing my roleblock workedis much less speculation than trying to come up with a reason that it didn't. I am not ignoring you all It is just less likely.
I at least have a constant factor in my argument that I used X ability. You are all changing the other variables by stating Y+Z  could have happened to change the outcome of X. 

Which is more likely in your opinion? 
The roleblock went through.
Or the 1 player with the one ability that could counter it hit the 20% chance and picked me.

 

See tho you're assumptions incorrect there was 4 players likely that had the possibility too.  Now it's 2 players.  I'm not sure how you came with the 20% but even based off your numbers it would be 40% because 2 Wolves left most likely unless CaTurin was.  It didn't even have to be Gud if a Wolf to do it.  Or coulda been the other Wolf.  Maybe you weren't bloxk yourself maybe you were misdirected to someone who doesn't have a PR or used it already.

[seph]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

See tho you're assumptions incorrect there was 4 players likely that had the possibility too.  Now it's 2 players.  I'm not sure how you came with the 20% but even based off your numbers it would be 40% because 2 Wolves left most likely unless CaTurin was.  It didn't even have to be Gud if a Wolf to do it.  Or coulda been the other Wolf.  Maybe you weren't bloxk yourself maybe you were misdirected to someone who doesn't have a PR or used it already.

Only Dice or Gudrean could have done it, so it would have been 2/6 chance last night. I was saying it was 1/6 because if Dice is town he would have informed us of his role, right? and we could have avoided all of this.
So it's safe to assume it was 1/6 because if Dice did it and how he views the game not voting Gudrean is still the play.
I am working on your other post btw.

[Verbal32]

6 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Dice what are some roles/reasons that say sephs telling the truth. That could negate the RB?

 

Not Dice, but seeing this as I catch up.  Simple answer:  he's lying.  Both he and Gud have angled together pretty hard today to get me lynched.  Gud seems to say things that imply more knowledge than she claims to have.  What happened to the player asking for info and wiki links to understand things?  Now she's a balance expert?

 

Seph conveniently has yet another RB and is trying to clear Gud with it.  The easy explanation, other than lying, is that the mafia NK is factional and can't be RBed.  If so, the RB is only good for the other 800 individual powers in this game, lol.

[seph]

Zander,

I am not saying there is no possible way Gud could be a wolf. 

Because of the info I have and have shared there is a very very very small chance. 

[Zander?]

11 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I'm not caught up yet (on 110), but to me it implies scum is already on my train.

 

Only Seph on you lol

[Verbal32]

1 hour ago, seph said:

There was two kills, there is no way someone that is roleblocked can pull that off. Period

 

Um, if you are scum like I think you are, then clearly anything is possible.

[Zander?]

8 minutes ago, seph said:

Only Dice or Gudrean could have done it, so it would have been 2/6 chance last night. I was saying it was 1/6 because if Dice is town he would have informed us of his role, right? and we could have avoided all of this.
So it's safe to assume it was 1/6 because if Dice did it and how he views the game not voting Gudrean is still the play.
I am working on your other post btw.

 

Why couldn't it have been Verb?

[seph]

Just now, Zander? said:

 

Why couldn't it have been Verb?

Doesn't the same logic from Dice apply here?
I also thought he claimed a x1 ability he hasn't used yet

[Zander?]

6 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Not Dice, but seeing this as I catch up.  Simple answer:  he's lying.  Both he and Gud have angled together pretty hard today to get me lynched.  Gud seems to say things that imply more knowledge than she claims to have.  What happened to the player asking for info and wiki links to understand things?  Now she's a balance expert?

 

Seph conveniently has yet another RB and is trying to clear Gud with it.  The easy explanation, other than lying, is that the mafia NK is factional and can't be RBed.  If so, the RB is only good for the other 800 individual powers in this game, lol.

 

Seph never claimed 2 uses of RB he said doc x1, RB x1 and cop x1.  Doc me N1, peek Key n2 and RB Gud n3

[Verbal32]

4 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Only Seph on you lol

 

My point exactly, I still think he's scum.  Which means he needs a townie to jump on as well.

[Zander?]

Just now, seph said:

Doesn't the same logic from Dice apply here?
I also thought he claimed a x1 ability he hasn't used yet

What?

 

There's 2 Wolves remaining.  There's 5 players.  There's also a world a Townie who is Wolf reading you providing you're telling the truth did something as well. I can be removed as I have no other PR besides IC.  So technically 3 player's outta 5 coulda did something which actually gives it a 60% chance lolololol 

[Zander?]

Just now, Verbal32 said:

 

My point exactly, I still think he's scum.  Which means he needs a townie to jump on as well.

 

I have a theory here but imma wait before saying 

[Verbal32]

3 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Seph never claimed 2 uses of RB he said doc x1, RB x1 and cop x1.  Doc me N1, peek Key n2 and RB Gud n3

 

Yes.  The Key peel feels weird - I'm literally sussing him based on what I feel was a pocketing post on Key.  If he was so confident, why peek there?  I know he said he wasn't sure, but it doesn't feel like a peek that should have been made.  Then the RB on Gud comes at the perfect time to push me for the lynch, when common sense says that I'm a town neighbor with DPR.

 

Dunno man, just doesn't add up to me.

[Verbal32]

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

I have a theory here but imma wait before saying 

 

I don't think I can be around for DL - my son has AAU basketball and I'll be at his games and potentially without internet.

 

So maybe don't wait too long, heh.

[dicetosser1]

12 minutes ago, seph said:

Only Dice or Gudrean could have done it, so it would have been 2/6 chance last night. I was saying it was 1/6 because if Dice is town he would have informed us of his role, right? and we could have avoided all of this.
So it's safe to assume it was 1/6 because if Dice did it and how he views the game not voting Gudrean is still the play.
I am working on your other post btw.

did you read my fight with Turin? I’m not doing things just because someone wants me too

 

now tell me what good claiming here does?

 

let’s say I claim. What’s to stop gud just claiming the same thing to get a lynch on me going?  How will you know who is telling the truth?

 

what if you just don’t believe someone’s claim? We really can’t afford to a mistake today.

 

claiming solves nothing. Probably just makes things worse tbh

[seph]

 

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

What?

 

There's 2 Wolves remaining.  There's 5 players.  There's also a world a Townie who is Wolf reading you providing you're telling the truth did something as well. I can be removed as I have no other PR besides IC.  So technically 3 player's outta 5 coulda did something which actually gives it a 60% chance lolololol 

Nope, that is not logical.
Verb- as we established did not
ME- why are you including me in this scenario
Dice- He could have but why all the speculation and not come out and tell us if he is town. That would have made today so much easier but instead he goes after the person I roleblocked and am viewing as a towny because of it.
Key- No Roleblock
DPR- Has a roleblock but you have said nothing of this. I was his top townie read and I would have bet he would have told you since he trusted you. You could have just outed me if I was a wolf.
GUD- LITERALLY THE ONLY OPTION. 
Massive Misrep

[seph]

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

did you read my fight with Turin? I’m not doing things just because someone wants me too

 

now tell me what good claiming here does?

 

let’s say I claim. What’s to stop gud just claiming the same thing to get a lynch on me going?  How will you know who is telling the truth?

 

what if you just don’t believe someone’s claim? We really can’t afford to a mistake today.

 

claiming solves nothing. Probably just makes things worse tbh

I am not asking you to claim. I am saying if you blocked me, saying so would be a huge help, since this could possibly be Lylo. Claiming would have eliminated 25 pages today of uselessness. 
Blocking me and not saying it, and then attacking the person I am trying to say is a townie is just causing confusion in the thread

[seph]

I get the rest of your point though about claims.

[seph]

@Zander?you keep flip flopping all over. And by all means waffle all you want. This has been a stressful day.

 

Lets say If two wolves are in the game, if I was a wolf I would be happy to see another one die. I have 0 reason to go to such lengths and could have lynched her no problem today if I wanted. THE only reason she is still alive right now is probably because of me. 

 

If you are so sketched out by my view, why? What's the benefit for wolf seph here for any of this