Game Over- Shady Oaks Retirement Home [Basic Game] - TOWN WINS!

Gudrean · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 1:53 AM, dicetosser1 said:

GLGL

But do us a favour before then. Dig in, particularly from the last bit before end of day to wherever you can and let us know what your thinking, where your leaning so we can have that info if your not there plz

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sorry I was off to bed then, we get up at 4:45 for hubs work then I get kids up for school and take them all. I also take my older son to work sooooo

luckily we haven't lost power and the storm seems to have passed. Hope you are feeling better @dicetosser1

I'll try to get some logic going after all my driving is done.

Turin Turambar · March 5

Here is some stuff from day 1. Note the time stamps for the vote counts. hopefully this works. The BOLD at top of each one is mine.

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Donchadh gives his reads and then after a while votes.

On 3/3/2025 at 7:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

On 3/3/2025 at 7:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Donchadh, please get us your thoughts as soon as possible.

Trying....holy mother of sheep milk's wool headed bloody dice...or some such...so many posts to read and catch up on.

Townies: Andy, Gud, Sooh ... I like their logic and the fact that they seem just as confused as me.

Sus: Z, Dice, Mil, Heavy ... I keep switching back and forth. I appreciate their logic, but it seems that they are trying to drive particular decisions. Of course, that might just be because they know what they are doing.

Mafia: Turin and Cairo. I'm pretty certain one if Mafia and they both seem to be playing in concert while also throwing shade on each other.

Can I just roll a D20 and add my "intuition" modifier?

Alright, I'm getting called into another work meeting (that will carry me past the official timer) in about an hour. I will hold my voting for another 30 minutes. But currently, I'm voting either Turin (in line with my earlier post) or Cairo.

(Again, mucho apologies for my absence).

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On 3/3/2025 at 8:18 PM, Turin Turambar said:

On 3/3/2025 at 8:18 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Can you explain those more in depth please.

Well, you and Cairos seem the most experienced. And you both throw some shade at each other while also laying out very good reasons for being innocent as well as others not. As both of your strategies seem similar ... it seems like you are working together.

As for Sooh being confused ... I just got a sense of random musings from them. Nothing concrete....like as if they were still confused, although, perhaps undecided is a better term here. Given their experience, I weighed that more towards Town than either Sus or Mafia.

Honestly, I'm grasping at straws here (hence the comment about using an intuition modified). After catching up by reading "way too many pages" (my own damn fault). This was the best assessment that I could make.

And now, I'm getting called to a meeting that will last past the timer. So I will vote.

Vote: Cairos

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Turin Turambar · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 1:28 PM, Zander? said:

I've mentioned this prior but because it's you I'll do it again ❤️

The train built quickly enough, remained and stayed stagnant. There was absolutely no Counter Wagon. We've played enough to know that the vast majority of the time that situation flips a Towny much more often than a wolf. That's why I was trepidatious about that Wagon. You also know the vast majority of the time if I was a Minority Villager I'd be the one driving the bus up down back and over and over that train lolololol

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I suggest that you look again this was the VC 13 hours from DL

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No one has more than 2 votes. Why are you not really advocating for anyone to join you on your big mafia read? most of your end of day posts are trolling or hot takes or wrasslin talk. If you wanna lead the village you have to lead. Most of what you posted was distraction which makes reading and keeping up more difficult.

And now I need to get ready for work. I will be back much later tonight for a bit before bed but I'm really waiting to hear from people.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 5

And yet for all this suspicion, Turin has never voted for Zander nor vice versa while both have claimed they were off the menu for D1 and openly discussed options while excluding each other.

Meh.

And Andy, Cairos and Turin all voted for each other up to end game, daisy chain wolving to avoid attention?

I don't buy Turin dropping Cairos (who he pushed all D1) for me for a competing train. Not with his I'll vote Mills if you do first and his refusal to join me on "off the menu" Zander.

So I'm left with looking at Turin being bad (mistaken? But this certain, no differential diagnosis, no admission of uncertainty, just full on I know W/W when I see it) at the game or guilty. I don't believe anyone can look at what happened at EoD and be certain of a solve.

Plus, the wolves took out Mills, many peoples next favourite target. This cleared the way for Turin's it is obvious that it is Zander and Heavy. Wouldn't be an argument if Mills was still around.

Be interesting to note - all these posts point to his suspicion of Zander. Who will he vote for? If me, he is 100% Wolf and so might even Zander be. How can he possible discount Don, Gud, Sooh and Andy with absolute certainty unless he is selling a narrative. Town would not do it. Turin is suspect number one now, must be. There is no way it is as simple as he points out, no matter how big brain his thinking is.

But please, other people let's have your thoughts on the situation - the whole thing. Not just reacting to narrative Turin is pushing so hard to the exclusion of everything else (though by all means address it, I am not trying to control) but without rounded thoughts from everyone, this will be impossible. On desktop you can see the post imbalance in this thread. Town need to have their voices heard.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 5

Never voted for each other in D1 I meant.

Gudrean · March 5

Ok, first thank you @Turin Turambar for all your work at posting all the most important details for figuring this out. Next if I had to judge purely based on the above info from Turin's post of other's posts, especially the changes in votes and NOT changes in votes, I would say @Andy MacLeod and @HeavyHalfMoonBlade are the most likely to be the Cairos teammates. But I still get the feeling there is an experienced player leading them. Question: are there usually 3 or 4 mafia in a game like this? And would @Ithillian Turambar make the GF an unexperienced player? Mills who was town confirmed was voting Heavy up until he realized there would be no llynch if he went that way so he switched to Cairos. Andy and Heavy were on Turin whom I feel like is town, but I can't be completely sure as he IS a very experienced player. But wouldn't it be a totally obvious choice if he was mafia? And would Ithi put such an obvious choice in that slot? Not a reason to Lock Clear Turin but it is a logic I'm going with. It would seem to me that being town is a much harder part to play because you don't know who your teammates are and you don't get to communicate behind the scenes with them. But then I tried to think about how hard it would be to pretend you are town knowing darn well who the innocent people are. So for now I'm leaning towards Andy and Heavy being mafia and maybe one other but not sure at all who that is since everyone sounds so darn convincing.

VOTE : HEAVY

Ithillian Turambar · March 5

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Day 2 will end at 10pm Friday 7 March.

ZANDER -1 (Heavy)

TURIN - 1 (Zander)

HEAVY - 1 (Gudrean)

Not voting: Andy, Dice, Donchadh, Sooh, Turin

5 to Lynch

This is a Hammer Game. Majority Lynch will end the day. If no Majority is achieved there will be No Lynch.

End of Day 2 Timer

https://stagetimer.io/r/UVDHPDFH/

Edited March 5 by Ithillian Turambar

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 5

Everyone else? Ithillian, really... 🤣

Ithillian Turambar · March 5

I don't want to work out their alphabetical order lol

Ithillian Turambar · March 5

You alphabetty everyone else and I'll edit them in:)

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 4:38 PM, Gudrean said:

Ok, first thank you @Turin Turambar for all your work at posting all the most important details for figuring this out. Next if I had to judge purely based on the above info from Turin's post of other's posts, especially the changes in votes and NOT changes in votes, I would say @Andy MacLeod and @HeavyHalfMoonBlade are the most likely to be the Cairos teammates. But I still get the feeling there is an experienced player leading them. Question: are there usually 3 or 4 mafia in a game like this? And would @Ithillian Turambar make the GF an unexperienced player? Mills who was town confirmed was voting Heavy up until he realized there would be no llynch if he went that way so he switched to Cairos. Andy and Heavy were on Turin whom I feel like is town, but I can't be completely sure as he IS a very experienced player. But wouldn't it be a totally obvious choice if he was mafia? And would Ithi put such an obvious choice in that slot? Not a reason to Lock Clear Turin but it is a logic I'm going with. It would seem to me that being town is a much harder part to play because you don't know who your teammates are and you don't get to communicate behind the scenes with them. But then I tried to think about how hard it would be to pretend you are town knowing darn well who the innocent people are. So for now I'm leaning towards Andy and Heavy being mafia and maybe one other but not sure at all who that is since everyone sounds so darn convincing.

VOTE : HEAVY

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Who mentioned the Godfather, Gudrean? No one cares about the GF unless you are discussing wolf tactics or are the cop. Turin did not get randomly assigned mafia because his wife was operating the random number generator? This is your argument for backing up Turin... I mean really? Mills was voting for me on D1 because I said I'm the towniest of townies is reason to start the train on me that Turin would appear to want? Why not vote Andy? Why dovetail so nicely with Turin while appearing to be arguing something else?

I give up. Is every single person going to vote me and give the wolfiest reasons that have ever existed?

My reads. Town. Me. Null null. Wolves all of you.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 5

Andy, Dice, Donchadh, Sooh, Turin,

I think, lol. 5 + 3 voting + 2 eliminated

Ithillian Turambar · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 4:58 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Andy, Dice, Donchadh, Sooh, Turin,

I think, lol. 5 + 3 voting + 2 eliminated

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Perfect. Thank you 🙂

Gudrean · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 4:53 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Who mentioned the Godfather, Gudrean? No one cares about the GF unless you are discussing wolf tactics or are the cop. Turin did not get randomly assigned mafia because his wife was operating the random number generator? This is your argument for backing up Turin... I mean really? Mills was voting for me on D1 because I said I'm the towniest of townies is reason to start the train on me that Turin would appear to want? Why not vote Andy? Why dovetail so nicely with Turin while appearing to be arguing something else?

I give up. Is every single person going to vote me and give the wolfiest reasons that have ever existed?

My reads. Town. Me. Null null. Wolves all of you.

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I'm pretty sure the GF has been mentioned a bunch of times but good luck sifting through all the 1000 almost posts to find it. I'm just doing the best I can as a first time player with only what I read and my logic to go on. I really have no dog in the race. I would have thought I would have been NK'd since I'm one of the least posters and really have no experience at this, but since I wasn't it means they think I'm too noob to be a treat, that's my guess. I'm just throwing a vote up early so I can have time to be convinced otherwise. ☺️

No hard feelings buddy 💗 Just trying to learn how to play the game.

I only know for sure what role I am so the rest is just my best guesses.

and why won't anyone tell me how many wolves we are looking for? is that part of the intrigue not knowing if we started with 3 or 4 mafia?

Gudrean · March 5

oops I meant threat hahaha

Turin Turambar · March 5

I got like 5 minutes before I have to actually put my phone up and work but I wanna clear this stuff up immediately.

@Gudrean, this game is open setup. It has one Mafia Godfather, 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Town Cop, and 6 Vanilla Town.

All roles are determined by random.org. so anyone has as good a chance at any role as any other player.

Gudrean · March 5

ok so no logic on who players could be since it was totally random. Thank you for clearing that up for me @Turin Turambar

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 5

This doesn't sit so well with me. If you really don't know how many wolves there are the you are lock clear villager. There is no way you can be a wolf and not know how many there are.

But I have a hard time imagining that you would double down so hard on pretending not to.

But you are voting for me anyway. FML.

Turin Turambar · March 5

Ooh 3 trains. Which one??? Hmmmmm

VOTE ZANDER

Hey Z maybe you should switch to Heavy so there's a counter train, lol

Now I really gotta work.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 5:28 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Ooh 3 trains. Which one??? Hmmmmm

VOTE ZANDER

Hey Z maybe you should switch to Heavy so there's a counter train, lol

Now I really gotta work.

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Lol. That is sooo funny.

Well let's see who likes whose train.

UNVOTE

VOTE TURIN

Zander? · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 4:08 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I suggest that you look again this was the VC 13 hours from DL

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

TURIN - 1 (Andy)

CAIROS - 2 (Dice, Turin)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

MILLON - 1 (Sooh)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Cairos, Donchadh, Gudrean

No one has more than 2 votes. Why are you not really advocating for anyone to join you on your big mafia read? most of your end of day posts are trolling or hot takes or wrasslin talk. If you wanna lead the village you have to lead. Most of what you posted was distraction which makes reading and keeping up more difficult.

And now I need to get ready for work. I will be back much later tonight for a bit before bed but I'm really waiting to hear from people.

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Welp... Bold confirms at least one thing...Turin KNOWS Im Town. Wonder how....???....!!!!! .....LOLOLOLOL

Zander? · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 3:55 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Here is some stuff from day 1. Note the time stamps for the vote counts. hopefully this works. The BOLD at top of each one is mine.

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this is the VC about 13 from deadline.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 2 (Dice, Turin)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

MILLON - 1 (Sooh)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Cairos, Donchadh, Gudrean

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about 12 hours from deadline(DL) Sooh votes Cairos.

Alright, here's where I'm at

Town-ish:

Dice

Gudrean

Andy

Not touching D1:

Turin

Z

Null:

Don

Sus:
Heavy

Mills

Red flags abound:

Cairos

Unvote

Vote Cairos

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newVC

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 3 (Dice, Turin, Sooh)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Donchadh, Gudrean

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about 8 hours from DL Gud votes Cairos after I ask her to vote.

I guess I will go with my original choice then.

Vote: Cairos

Can't give you quotes but just to say he seemed sus to me in the beginning and seems to be playing it safe a lot.

Could just be that he's busy but that could also be helping him in this situation.

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this VC is about 7.5 hours from DL

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 4 (Dice, Turin, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

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These two posts are Z saying something feels wrong and to NOT VOTE CAIROS

On 3/3/2025 at 2:22 PM, Gudrean said:

  On 3/3/2025 at 2:22 PM, Gudrean said:

I guess I will go with my original choice then.

Vote: Cairos

Can't give you quotes but just to say he seemed sus to me in the beginning and seems to be playing it safe a lot.

Could just be that he's busy but that could also be helping him in this situation.

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Man this Cairo's wagon building is starting to feel a little too much LHF fruit Scum push. Especially with no real counter wagon unless the Wagons have changed and I'm not up to date.

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On 3/3/2025 at 2:31 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

  On 3/3/2025 at 2:31 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 4 (Dice, Turin, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

6 to Lynch - Hammer Game

End of Day 1 Timer

https://stagetimer.io/r/UVDHPDFH/

Votes in Bold Red. You must Unvote before changing your vote.

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NOONE ELSE VOTE CAIROS YET!!!!

TOO EARLY...WE HAVE TIME AND THERES NO REAL COUNTER TRAIN.

WE MAY END UP THERE BUT IF CAIROS IS TOWN TOMORROW IS A CLUSTER-F WITH EASY OUTS FOR WOLVES ON TRAIN AND EBOLAIDS FOR VILLAS WHO WERE JUST WRONG IN A TOWN!CAIROS WORLD

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VC with about 6 hrs to go

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 4 (Dice, Turin, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

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I UNVOTE stating I am still fully willing to vote Cairos and that I will be her thru DL

UNVOTE

I still am willing to lynch Cairos but we have time. I'm mostly around aside from making dinner(tea) for Ithi, me and my dog.

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New VC this is about 7hr from DL

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 3 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 2 (Millon, Zander)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Donchadh, Turin

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Mills "fails" to vote Cairos. I included it because he lists his reads and reasoning for his vote.

This sucks. I'm sorry. Work turned into a bear and I have little to no time. Lunch got axed. Ugh

Long/Short:

Vote: Cairos. Sorry buddy. Stalemates are no bueno. A lynch is better than no lynch. His activity, albeit understood with the business of saving lives, he hasn't offered much in mapping folks. (I am fully aware that statement can be used against me as well. hahaha fml). If he flips town I am strongly eyeballing Turin.

My Town: Gud, Sooh,

Null: That means unsure? If so, Dice, Don, Andy, Heavy

Sus: Turin, really pushing Cairos well before we got close to EOD. Z, so much text.

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I vote Heavy to get a secondary train. NOTE: Zander despite being on Heavy and decrying the lack of a secondary train isn't really pushing for people to vote Heavy (or anyone else).

The tacos do.look good.

VOTE HEAVY for competition

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New VC with about 2.5 hours to go

TURIN - 1  (Andy)

CAIROS - 3 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 3 (Millon, Zander, Turin)

ZANDER - 1 (Heavy)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

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Heavy switches from Z to me because I voted him to get a competing train?!?!? (I still contend there is no world in which I get lynched yesterday, so he is basically locking his vote on a non-train.

Such a wolf.

Don't buy this dropping of Cairos and jumping on me. Maybe I'm biased but not buying it at all.

UNVOTE

VOTE TURIN

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New VC with about 2.5 hour to DL still

TURIN - 2  (Andy, Heavy)

CAIROS - 3 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean)

HEAVY - 3 (Millon, Zander, Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Donchadh

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Donchadh gives his reads and then after a while votes.

On 3/3/2025 at 7:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

  On 3/3/2025 at 7:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Donchadh, please get us your thoughts as soon as possible.

Trying....holy mother of sheep milk's wool headed bloody dice...or some such...so many posts to read and catch up on.

Townies: Andy, Gud, Sooh ... I like their logic and the fact that they seem just as confused as me.

Sus: Z, Dice, Mil, Heavy ... I keep switching back and forth. I appreciate their logic, but it seems that they are trying to drive particular decisions. Of course, that might just be because they know what they are doing.

Mafia: Turin and Cairo. I'm pretty certain one if Mafia and they both seem to be playing in concert while also throwing shade on each other.

Can I just roll a D20 and add my "intuition" modifier?

Alright, I'm getting called into another work meeting (that will carry me past the official timer) in about an hour. I will hold my voting for another 30 minutes. But currently, I'm voting either Turin (in line with my earlier post) or Cairo.

(Again, mucho apologies for my absence).

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On 3/3/2025 at 8:18 PM, Turin Turambar said:

  On 3/3/2025 at 8:18 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Can you explain those more in depth please.

Well, you and Cairos seem the most experienced. And you both throw some shade at each other while also laying out very good reasons for being innocent as well as others not. As both of your strategies seem similar ... it seems like you are working together.

As for Sooh being confused ... I just got a sense of random musings from them. Nothing concrete....like as if they were still confused, although, perhaps undecided is a better term here. Given their experience, I weighed that more towards Town than either Sus or Mafia.

Honestly, I'm grasping at straws here (hence the comment about using an intuition modified). After catching up by reading "way too many pages" (my own damn fault). This was the best assessment that I could make.

And now, I'm getting called to a meeting that will last past the timer. So I will vote.

Vote: Cairos

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New VC with about 1hr 40 min to DL (Mills hasn't fixed his unvote situation)

TURIN - 2  (Andy, Heavy)

CAIROS - 4 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, Donchadh)

HEAVY - 3 (Millon, Zander, Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

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Mills fixes his vote

unvote Heavy

vote Cairos

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New VC time to DL is a little over an hour

TURIN - 2  (Andy, Heavy)

CAIROS - 5 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, Donchadh, Millon)

HEAVY - 2 (Zander, Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Cairos)

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Dice comes in and asks us not to hammer. This is reasonable as previously discussed. there is some chit chat that is distracting IMO from Z, Heavy and Andy. Z in particular asking about Lyynch mechanics that were already made clear is still bothering. Dice also gives his reads Which I will include.

Reads

Cairos Scum with second guessing happening. Willing to lynch him and if im wrong im coming for the people who got on the train recently.

Heavy All over the place. One minute seems a noob then doesnt. Reads dont make sense to me.

Turin probable town but i am not locking him in. Ive been wrong too often to do that.

Zanders Zandering so im happy.

Sooh null leaning scum. seems to be asking questions but doesnt feel like shes solving.

Gudren Noob clear read.

Don no idea. will reevaluate based on possible cairos lynch

Mills have had as probable scum

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with 8 min left Cairos shows up. Z UNVOTES, Cairos UNVOTES, Z asks him to vote Heavy or Mills(confirmed townie with no votes) this is now 6 min to go, Cairos votes Heavy, Gud announces shes there...

Cairos:Who do you want to vote Z?

Z: UNVOTE

Cairos: UNVOTE

Z: You willing to vote for Heavey or Mills if so do it quickly

Cairos: VOTE HEAVY

Gudrean: I'm here

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I hammer. This is with 5 min left. I was actually typing this while Gud was posting

Nobody is going to switch.

UNVOTE

VOTE CAIROS

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FINAL VC:

That's a Lynch.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

TURIN - 2  (Andy, Heavy)

CAIROS - 6 (Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, Donchadh, Millon, Turin)

HEAVY - 1 (Cairos)

NOT VOTING - Zander

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FINAL NOTES: I think you will see that the train didn't really build all that fast when taking into consideration the activity level and availability of the people in the game. Sooh, Gud, Don and Mills all pretty much came in at their last chance and voted reasonably I would say.

Zander was the one that said it built too fast and so on but he never really either got off Heavy nor really advocated in a Zander way to get other people to vote Heavy. Ther was mostly a lot of empty posturing back and forth.

I really encourage you all to read the entire thing and draw your own conclusions.

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This quotes are broken, don't show the original post to verify timestamps and authenticity. So they mean nothing to me. Sorry but if you want to use the actual quotes so we know nothing's fishy please try again.

Also what's the format to use reveal on here again ? I can't remember

Gudrean · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 5:56 PM, Zander? said:

Also what's the format to use reveal on here again ? I can't remember

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Isn't it the eyeball thingy?

Zander? · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 4:35 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Never voted for each other in D1 I meant.

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I voted Turin on D1 so that's not true.

Zander? · March 5

On 3/5/2025 at 5:57 PM, Gudrean said:

Isn't it the eyeball thingy?

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