Game Over- Shady Oaks Retirement Home [Basic Game] - TOWN WINS!

Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 12:06 AM, Gudrean said:

You should leave me off this list as i think my posts are more than the other 3 combined???

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Perhaps but as new player people don't know what you'll soon start automatically developing, meta aka your habits , gameplay tendencies etc for each alignment as you Rand them. A fair bit of players use either a bit or a lot of Meta In their reads. So yes you may be posting more than them but like look at me, I'm not saying post like me lololol I im saying not all posts are gameplay related and are what are referred to as fluff or spam and as a new player everyone can't use Meta so we need lots of content to try and see if we feel your approach and interactions and reads are more likely coming from a Town!You perspective or a Wolf!You perspective.

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Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 12:23 AM, Donchadh said:

This is a really good question...and honestly...I'm a bit stumped so I guess "I don't really know(?)" is the best answer I can come up with. But that isn't fair, so I will try. As I try to think through this, I have perhaps, maybe? two observations (but I have never played before...so they probably don't make any sense.).

1) I wouldn't expect a Townie to make accusations or push for "naming wolves" without supporting analysis because if they were a Townie they would have no idea who the other Townies were and might run the risk of killing one of their own. So I guess, Townies would accuse less or decide on wolves less??

2) I would also expect a Townie to be more reluctant to theorize(?), as again, they are operating with less information.

However, these 2 expectation are speculative because I really have no experience or knowledge to base them on. And mostly just reflective of my own personality. (Hopefully, one of the more experienced players can comment on these expectations.).

But I have been very quiet, (thanks to RL), so I thought I'd try to at least answer the question. If nothing else, it helps me try to understand how to play this game...which I am still struggling with.

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Focus less on the principals or semantics of the game and gameplay and just try to read players. I don't wanna disagree with your take but maybe try approaching like this. Does this person genuinely seem to being trying to solve the game and does their reasoning seem organic or manufactured in or forced. I get it's a lot at first but it'll start to come with a few games under your belt.

Gudrean · March 7

ok @Zander? I have a quest for you. Taking what I have posted in this game only, what can you tell everyone about who I am (I will tell in all honesty how close you get to the real me) or what kind of player I am.

I'm truly interested and not just being snarky I promise.

Ithillian Turambar · March 7

FYI

Zander is being allowed to edit a word in a specific post I have pointed out to him.

Don't call him out for having an edited post as I asked him to do it.

Thank you

Ithillian Turambar · March 7

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Day 2 will end at 10pm Friday 7 March.

TURIN - 2 (Zander, Heavy)

HEAVY - 1 (Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Dice)

Not voting: Andy, Donchadh, Sooh, Gudrean

5 to Lynch

This is a Hammer Game. Majority Lynch will end the day. If no Majority is achieved there will be No Lynch.

End of Day 2 Timer

https://stagetimer.io/r/UVDHPDFH/

Ithillian Turambar · March 7

20 hours and change till Day 2 ends.

Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 1:20 AM, Gudrean said:

ok @Zander? I have a quest for you. Taking what I have posted in this game only, what can you tell everyone about who I am (I will tell in all honesty how close you get to the real me) or what kind of player I am.

I'm truly interested and not just being snarky I promise.

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Honestly not a lot it'll take a few games together for me to develop a feel for ya especially since there's multiple new players, I haven't played with most of the crew here in years nor played myself in almost as long lol.

I get the feel your kind, dislike conflict and will avoid if possible but won't back down if it's necessary or important to you. You like comfort, order, getting along as opposed to chaos and craziness that Mafia games can devolve too once in awhile. I think you will be more a guy/meta player then an analytics type. Just vibes I could b way off tho lol. You come across as sweet and wholesome tho something tells me there's a bit of a wild/free spirit there just beneath the surface

Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 2:03 AM, Zander? said:

Honestly not a lot it'll take a few games together for me to develop a feel for ya especially since there's multiple new players, I haven't played with most of the crew here in years nor played myself in almost as long lol.

I get the feel your kind, dislike conflict and will avoid if possible but won't back down if it's necessary or important to you. You like comfort, order, getting along as opposed to chaos and craziness that Mafia games can devolve too once in awhile. I think you will be more a guy/meta player then an analytics type. Just vibes I could b way off tho lol. You come across as sweet and wholesome tho something tells me there's a bit of a wild/free spirit there just beneath the surface

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#firstgameattemtedsoulread

Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 2:03 AM, Zander? said:

Honestly not a lot it'll take a few games together for me to develop a feel for ya especially since there's multiple new players, I haven't played with most of the crew here in years nor played myself in almost as long lol.

I get the feel your kind, dislike conflict and will avoid if possible but won't back down if it's necessary or important to you. You like comfort, order, getting along as opposed to chaos and craziness that Mafia games can devolve too once in awhile. I think you will be more a guy/meta player then an analytics type. Just vibes I could b way off tho lol. You come across as sweet and wholesome tho something tells me there's a bit of a wild/free spirit there just beneath the surface

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Gut/Meta not guy/meta lol

Andy MacLeod · March 7

OK, finally caught up... Next time new players join, please disclose the time commitment ahead of time 🙏 This is a MUCH more involved game than I had expected and RL just doesn't give me the time to participate as much as you guys. It is also a huge amount of information, and experienced players use jargon that has led me to skip posts I didn't understand.

My thoughts: Zander, Turin, and Heavy are posting a lot. Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, are posting less. Donchadh posted less due to RL, so I'm hesitant to read much "game" into that.

Dice, the other experienced player, is being more quiet on Day 2. Which leads me to think that if Dice is a mastermind, he is pulling the strings from wolf chat and letting the other wolf direct the narrative... My suspicion mainly comes from him being an experienced player who is not sharing more substantive thoughts, which I would expect him to do if he's Town.

If that's true, then I expect Zander, Turin, or Heavy is a wolf.

Zander:

- The comments of "there's a smart experienced Wolf" could be wolf chat joke by throwing compliments at his teammate.

- Also, didn't Zander say something about a friend asking to be NK because of RL issues, and then Millon got NK after mentioning RL issues?

- This last idea got revived just now, when Zander seemed to want to dissuade new players to look into Millon's death. Is that because it points to him as a wolf?

Turin:

- I get really mixed vibes, so I have mixed thoughts. On the one hand, most of his posts do sound logical and reasonable...

- On the other hand, he is a good player, so he could get me to believe something that sounds reasonable even if you are a wolf... and my initial thought was that his role was to spin the "reasonable" narrative while Zander was creating confusion by post avalanche...

Heavy:

- LOTS of back and forth with Zander. I could see it as a coordinated strategy. The two of them make so much waves, you can't see clear through the water anymore.

- But he sounds truly upset and I could see that go both ways: a wrongfully accused newbie Town would probably feel that way, but if it is a coordinated strategy, he needs to make it credible and acting hurt would make sense in that scenario.

- Experienced players point to inconsistency in Heavy's "newbie" status. I don't have enough experience to judge what sounds "advanced" player language. Someone pointed Heavy's use of the "low hanging fruit" expression as "advanced" but I have heard it used in everyday language as well so a newbie could have used it in this lay-person way...

Gudrean:

- This is where the newbie persona is pushed maybe a bit too far? I'm thinking of the repeated question about the number of mafia players or the posts on Millon being the cop, when both answers were readily available...

- BUT it is a ton of info. I feel overwhelmed as a newbie, so it could also be totally legit.

Sooh:

- Someone called "auntie vibes" and I was getting that at the beginning.

- But now, I find a lot of her posts don't really show her thinking... There are a bunch of questions thrown at others, a bunch of one-liners... I don't really know what she thinks.

- She also said she was busy in RL, so maybe that's what it is.

- Do we know how experienced Sooh is?

A few relevant posts:

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On 3/5/2025 at 12:55 AM, Gudrean said:

Never really felt Mills was wolf but it seemed like he was being pushed a lot. gotta go back and see who pushed him the most. I'll be honest the sheer amount of posts to wade through has made it hard to remember if I'm using logic or just suggestions from others.

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That might be worth exploring: who pushed Millon yesterday?

On 3/5/2025 at 12:55 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I would ask everyone to give their theory of why Mills was NKd.

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See above.

On 3/5/2025 at 1:15 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Heavy, sniping at me. Zander snaps at him saying I wouldn't back down. He's right there. But it is just WvW theatre.

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On 3/6/2025 at 9:26 AM, dicetosser1 said:

you two are just going back and forth back and forth. Im thinking its townie on townie violence to be honest.

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And here Dice is clearing his teammate in response to Turin WvW theater comment... but which one?

On 3/5/2025 at 1:50 AM, dicetosser1 said:

Mafia Lesson

You also want to watch what you say so you dont reveal (or paste lmao) your mafia chat or any other team chat you might be in.

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Can we check if this has happened in this game??

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On 3/5/2025 at 1:28 PM, Zander? said:

We've played enough to know that the vast majority of the time that situation flips a Towny much more often than a wolf.

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Is this really from experience, or from insider knowledge as a wolf??

On 3/5/2025 at 11:30 PM, Zander? said:

I'm pretty convinced 1 for sure of Turin, Sooh or Dice is a Wolf. Purely based on the Mills NJ which makes me think there's gotta be at least one experienced Player.

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Insider wolf knowledge? You would be sure because you know your teammates...

On 3/6/2025 at 11:25 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Heavy, I think it is very obvious that you and Zander had a big hullabaloo yesterday of calling each other wolves without actually making any serious attempt to get each other lynched.

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On 3/6/2025 at 2:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Andy, can you explain the "2 wolves on Turin " post?

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I did somewhere above.

On 3/6/2025 at 2:36 PM, Zander? said:

Because Turin knows there's 0% chances on me being mislynched this game.

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UHHHH...

On 3/6/2025 at 5:16 PM, Zander? said:

Omg one name people I can't believe how complicated this is seeming to be for everyone

ONE, 1, single, Singular, Une, Uno, solo I don't know how many other terms I can use to say give JUST ONE NAME FOR EACH

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Why is Zander SUPER insistent about that?

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Sorry for the WoText

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Andy MacLeod · March 7

Oh snap, I'm sorry, here's the last quote. Shouldn't have tried to edit it in...

On 3/7/2025 at 12:37 AM, Zander? said:

Ok you see if too with Heavy right?!??!! It's not just me...it's like one post seems like exp player and other asking the Nirmala new player questions. In trying to not focus on it but can't seem to let it go....FML lol

Honestly, maybe Dice will agree or maybe not but, as new players I don't think focusing too much on the NK is a great idea.

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Edited for language. My apologies.

Turin Turambar · March 7

Andy, language. Ask Ithi if you can edit the dropping out of that post.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Ithillian Turambar · March 7

yup please edit the 'oh poot!' equivalent

Guys be careful with your words!

Ithillian Turambar · March 7

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 7

So.

Zen Heavy has entered the building. Frustration is a feeling I choose not feel as I listen to the falling cherry blossoms.

I am terribly frustrated. But I'm letting that go. It is just this is what I am good at. I have terrible social phobias but at my heart I'm a people person. I make people laugh. I'm good with words. I can spin a tale. But here I am in a life or death struggle with Turin and for all my reasoning the best anyone comes up with about Turin's guilt is "well he is really convincing, but perhaps too convincing". That is how much sway I have over your collective opinions.

And who am I to criticise? I don't even know if Turin is a wolf. All I know is he is trying to kill me and if he succeeds the wolves are one step away from victory. Maybe I would be as convinced as you guys are. Maybe he is convincing because he is town and the wolves are laughing at us.

But just look at what he is saying. All the things he calls known wolf tactics he is doing. Bussing a wolf. Having big fights in chat to throw off discussions.

But I kind of get the point that it is too late for me, I'm not making any impression. There isn't really anything else for me to say that I haven't already said so I'll probably preserve my mental health and leave it at that. I don't want start spraying naughty words about the place or insults when I don't mean them. So looking forward to a relaxing rest of the day.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · March 7

Stage Five: Acceptance.

Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 3:04 AM, Andy MacLeod said:

OK, finally caught up... Next time new players join, please disclose the time commitment ahead of time 🙏 This is a MUCH more involved game than I had expected and RL just doesn't give me the time to participate as much as you guys. It is also a huge amount of information, and experienced players use jargon that has led me to skip posts I didn't understand.

My thoughts: Zander, Turin, and Heavy are posting a lot. Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, are posting less. Donchadh posted less due to RL, so I'm hesitant to read much "game" into that.

Dice, the other experienced player, is being more quiet on Day 2. Which leads me to think that if Dice is a mastermind, he is pulling the strings from wolf chat and letting the other wolf direct the narrative... My suspicion mainly comes from him being an experienced player who is not sharing more substantive thoughts, which I would expect him to do if he's Town.

If that's true, then I expect Zander, Turin, or Heavy is a wolf.

Zander:

- The comments of "there's a smart experienced Wolf" could be wolf chat joke by throwing compliments at his teammate.

- Also, didn't Zander say something about a friend asking to be NK because of RL issues, and then Millon got NK after mentioning RL issues?

- This last idea got revived just now, when Zander seemed to want to dissuade new players to look into Millon's death. Is that because it points to him as a wolf?

Turin:

- I get really mixed vibes, so I have mixed thoughts. On the one hand, most of his posts do sound logical and reasonable...

- On the other hand, he is a good player, so he could get me to believe something that sounds reasonable even if you are a wolf... and my initial thought was that his role was to spin the "reasonable" narrative while Zander was creating confusion by post avalanche...

Heavy:

- LOTS of back and forth with Zander. I could see it as a coordinated strategy. The two of them make so much waves, you can't see clear through the water anymore.

- But he sounds truly upset and I could see that go both ways: a wrongfully accused newbie Town would probably feel that way, but if it is a coordinated strategy, he needs to make it credible and acting hurt would make sense in that scenario.

- Experienced players point to inconsistency in Heavy's "newbie" status. I don't have enough experience to judge what sounds "advanced" player language. Someone pointed Heavy's use of the "low hanging fruit" expression as "advanced" but I have heard it used in everyday language as well so a newbie could have used it in this lay-person way...

Gudrean:

- This is where the newbie persona is pushed maybe a bit too far? I'm thinking of the repeated question about the number of mafia players or the posts on Millon being the cop, when both answers were readily available...

- BUT it is a ton of info. I feel overwhelmed as a newbie, so it could also be totally legit.

Sooh:

- Someone called "auntie vibes" and I was getting that at the beginning.

- But now, I find a lot of her posts don't really show her thinking... There are a bunch of questions thrown at others, a bunch of one-liners... I don't really know what she thinks.

- She also said she was busy in RL, so maybe that's what it is.

- Do we know how experienced Sooh is?

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That might be worth exploring: who pushed Millon yesterday?

See above.

And here Dice is clearing his teammate in response to Turin WvW theater comment... but which one?

Can we check if this has happened in this game??

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Is this really from experience, or from insider knowledge as a wolf??

Insider wolf knowledge? You would be sure because you know your teammates...

I did somewhere above.

UHHHH...

Why is Zander SUPER insistent about that?

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Sorry for the WoText

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Don't you EVER EVER EVER WoT at me again!!!!!!

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There do much stuff just scrolling back down to type I forgot whatever that's addressed to me or about me. So im just gonna say ask me anything from here directly 1 or 2 questions at a time because these giant posts can't ever be responder to properly and without usually messing up formatting and people lose the information which is Wolfy easy to try and hide in.

But I think theres a few where you were like is it experience or Wolfy something.. I've played well over 100 games so yes it's from experience, then you have to figure out is that alignment indictive? Maybe maybe not. When you've played a lot players tend to try and mimic their Villager games when they're Wolves so they look normal. It's pretty standard. So most of the time generalities from experience related posts from an exp player you can almost say is not alignment indicative if you can't figure out /decide for yourself fwiw just my take...from experience....lololololol

Zander? · March 7

On 3/6/2025 at 5:16 PM, Zander? said:

Omg one name people I can't believe how complicated this is seeming to be for everyone

ONE, 1, single, Singular, Une, Uno, solo I don't know how many other terms I can use to say give JUST ONE NAME FOR EACH

One person definitely willing to lunch today

One person not defiantly willing to lunch today

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@Andy MacLeod

Do this I've explained numerous times why but again it's cover for the Town Cop. If they end up getting killed tonight or at some point without revealing their peaks at least here we can reference that information to the best of our abilities.

Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 8:09 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So.

Zen Heavy has entered the building. Frustration is a feeling I choose not feel as I listen to the falling cherry blossoms.

I am terribly frustrated. But I'm letting that go. It is just this is what I am good at. I have terrible social phobias but at my heart I'm a people person. I make people laugh. I'm good with words. I can spin a tale. But here I am in a life or death struggle with Turin and for all my reasoning the best anyone comes up with about Turin's guilt is "well he is really convincing, but perhaps too convincing". That is how much sway I have over your collective opinions.

And who am I to criticise? I don't even know if Turin is a wolf. All I know is he is trying to kill me and if he succeeds the wolves are one step away from victory. Maybe I would be as convinced as you guys are. Maybe he is convincing because he is town and the wolves are laughing at us.

But just look at what he is saying. All the things he calls known wolf tactics he is doing. Bussing a wolf. Having big fights in chat to throw off discussions.

But I kind of get the point that it is too late for me, I'm not making any impression. There isn't really anything else for me to say that I haven't already said so I'll probably preserve my mental health and leave it at that. I don't want start spraying naughty words about the place or insults when I don't mean them. So looking forward to a relaxing rest of the day.

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No Woe is me stuff homie. I want to see dangling from the noose today. I'm pretty sure iirc correctly you only have 1 or 2 votes on you. I want to vote Turin because I need a result from between you both and even tho I find you quite sus in your own right Cairos actually may have been the one to absolve or condemn you. But again lots of time left not like your one vote from being hammered. Keep at it if your a Villager and fight to the death to protect this Village from Turin and his pack o Wolves....if you're a Wolf please give up and die.....lololololol

Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 8:59 AM, Zander? said:

No Woe is me stuff homie. I want to see Turin dangling from the noose today. I'm pretty sure iirc correctly you only have 1 or 2 votes on you. I want to vote Turin because I need a result from between you both and even tho I find you quite sus in your own right Cairos actually may have been the one to absolve or condemn you. But again lots of time left not like your one vote from being hammered. Keep at it if your a Villager and fight to the death to protect this Village from Turin and his pack o Wolves....if you're a Wolf please give up and die.....lololololol

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FTFM

Zander? · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 8:02 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

yup please edit the 'oh poot!' equivalent

Guys be careful with your words!

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You don't know how bad everyone I see this I wanna post the George Carlin 7 Words skit lololololol

Ithillian Turambar · March 7

Hi to all our new players. I'd just like to remind you that how you play this game is completely up to you.

You can get super involved and analytical. You can be the Spam Monster from Heck. You can be the lurky lurker or the occasional burst of energy.

It's your game and it's OK for you to play your way.

@Cass Has asked if anyone of you would like her to be added into your PMs.

Actually she would only be able to mentor one of you.... to make sure she only knows the role and alignment of that one person.

She doesn't know who is who, unlike me, so she'd be able to discuss things in a bit more detail than I can.

Whoever gets in first gets Cass

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Ithillian Turambar · March 7

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Day 2 will end at 10pm Friday 7 March.

TURIN - 2 (Zander, Heavy)

HEAVY - 1 (Turin)

ANDY - 1 (Dice)

Not voting: Andy, Donchadh, Sooh, Gudrean

5 to Lynch

This is a Hammer Game. Majority Lynch will end the day. If no Majority is achieved there will be No Lynch.

End of Day 2 Timer

https://stagetimer.io/r/UVDHPDFH/

Ithillian Turambar · March 7

12 and a half ish hours till end of Day 2

Turin Turambar · March 7

On 3/7/2025 at 9:20 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Hi to all our new players. I'd just like to remind you that how you play this game is completely up to you.

You can get super involved and analytical. You can be the Spam Monster from Heck. You can be the lurky lurker or the occasional burst of energy.

It's your game and it's OK for you to play your way.

@Cass Has asked if anyone of you would like her to be added into your PMs.

Actually she would only be able to mentor one of you.... to make sure she only knows the role and alignment of that one person.

She doesn't know who is who, unlike me, so she'd be able to discuss things in a bit more detail than I can.

Whoever gets in first gets Cass

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