Rewatch Time

[Ralph]

Now we have a date for S3, I thought perhaps it is a good time to rewatch S1&2. This time I am trying to see it as a standalone story - obviously aware of changes from the books, but not trying to analyse or understand them - just to see the TV show as its own story. 

 

Things I picked up in first half of S1E1 that stood out more than previous times... 

 

1. Moiraine saying "the arrogance," and that women have to pick up the pieces left by men causing the Breaking is clearly deliberately juxtaposed with the way Liandrin and the Reds treat the Channeler, and how Liandrin described men channeling. Whether what Moiraine said is true or not, and the hubris of Lews Therin is referred to in the Extras, it seems clear that one is meant to pick up that at least some women have taken up that mantle in this Age. 

 

2. The ambiguity of saying "We must find them before the Dark One does" leaves it very unclear what the role of the Dragon is. 

 

3. I still have no idea how M knew about four ta'veren, or how a non-reader is meant to know what a ta'veren is. 

 

4. Women's Circle seems in Show to mean all the women of the village, which is logical if the other leading roles are not specific to men - possible Marin is Mayor, for example. Trivia seems to be incorrect. 

 

5. Do we ever find out what Egwene's arm wound is from? 

 

6. Is Moiraine less wet than Lan? Umbrella weave! 

 

7. Still want to know how Mat got the armlet. 

 

8. Still a shame the pool scene with the seven colours was cut. 

 

9. Interesting way they have interpreted Listening to the Wind. 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Ralph

[Kaleb]

On 12/22/2024 at 2:53 PM, Ralph said:

1. Moiraine saying "the arrogance," and that women have to pick up the pieces left by men causing the Breaking is clearly deliberately juxtaposed with the way Liandrin and the Reds treat the Channeler, and how Liandrin described men channeling. Whether what Moiraine said is true or not, and the hubris of Lews Therin is referred to in the Extras, it seems clear that one is meant to pick up that at least some women have taken up that mantle in this Age. 

 

2. The ambiguity of saying "We must find them before the Dark One does" leaves it very unclear what the role of the Dragon is. 

 

3. I still have no idea how M knew about four ta'veren, or how a non-reader is meant to know what a ta'veren is. 

1. I think the show does a great job of foregrounding the Aes Sedai fear and loathing of male channelers, it feels real. Book readers need to remember how often that attitude was described in the books, even though it was typically voiced by non-sympathetic/non-POV characters. A huge part of the world, and clearly a prejudice based on partial and/or false evidence.

 

2. Yeah, this is something I wish we had a lot more exposition on. I give the show credit for leaving it unanswered since most people in-world have very little idea either, but I hope we start to get a lot more of this stuff in S3.

 

3. That was a bad line, I really think it's weak as an intro. Even for book readers who know what ta'veren are, the mechanics of how there would be these rumors and why so specific on four is confusing. Another thing the show needs to build out in S3.

[Mailman]

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Edited December 29, 2024 by Mailman

[Kaleb]

Been rewatching with my gf, I'm trying to get her to listen to the corresponding Wheel Takes podcast episodes too, but that is a lot to ask! Through S1E5, I really like so much of the worldbuilding, and I feel like some of the book fans really got hung up on things that were intentional misdirections that they should have recognized as obvious biased lies from known sources of untruth (i.e. Liandrin's comment in the opening scene that this power wasn't meant for men, you make it filthy when you touch it).

 

A couple things I really deeply enjoyed seeing again:

- The intro to the Tinkers. I think Jordan's experience as a Vietnam veteran made it hard for him to convey a truly convincing pacifist ideology, The Way Of The Leaf was often not much more than a caricature in the books, especially early on. But Ila's story about her daughter really flesh out Jordan's skeletal idea and make it very believable. Aram had some great comments too, and we are gonna see them both again in S3, very excited to see if they can make Aram a more compelling character than the books did.

- Similarly, Dana was a great amalgam and deepening of all the early Darkfriends that Mat and Rand encountered on the road to Caemlyn in the books. The show is going to be full of one-and-done characters like her, and I really feel like Rafe and team are using those roles to great effect.

- Loved seeing Birgitte referenced, we will probably see her in S3 poking around TAR

- All of the main characters so quickly settled into the people I knew from the books, it's such a joy seeing them interact on screen.

 

I did not like the battle with Logain's army at the Aes Sedai camp. They did an ok job of conveying scale with very few people when they introduced Logain capturing the king of Ghealdan in the cold open, but it was a swing and a miss when it came to actual combat. If they were going to have a character say "no army can stand against seven full sisters" then they needed to show some real strength, and Alanna's Air weaves to catch the arrows and then throw up some kind of shield later absolutely did not cut it. The tiny number of people in the "army" was laughable, but they used the forest setting to try and suggest more, I get it and will happily cut some slack. But this was a real missed opportunity to show off the One Power, and they blew it. Thus far, the weakness of combat scenes has been my biggest complaint about the show, none of the battle scenes have been satisfying at all. 

Edited Thursday at 08:11 PM by Kaleb

[Mailman]

11 hours ago, Kaleb said:

 

- All of the main characters so quickly settled into the people I knew from the books, it's such a joy seeing them interact on screen.

 

 

did you underline this because it is so obviously not true

[DojoToad]

15 hours ago, Kaleb said:

I did not like the battle with Logain's army at the Aes Sedai camp. They did an ok job of conveying scale with very few people when they introduced Logain capturing the king of Ghealdan in the cold open, but it was a swing and a miss when it came to actual combat. If they were going to have a character say "no army can stand against seven full sisters" then they needed to show some real strength, and Alanna's Air weaves to catch the arrows and then throw up some kind of shield later absolutely did not cut it. The tiny number of people in the "army" was laughable, but they used the forest setting to try and suggest more, I get it and will happily cut some slack. But this was a real missed opportunity to show off the One Power, and they blew it. Thus far, the weakness of combat scenes has been my biggest complaint about the show, none of the battle scenes have been satisfying at all. 

Jordan did this so well in the books.  Probably what he did best in the books.  Everything from one-on-one combat to skirmishes to full-scale battles...

 

His descriptions on the use of the one power were a close second.

 

Combat both with and without the power was what I was most looking forward to seeing in the show.  Mundane combat was a huge disappointment with the exception of the Blood Snow.  I've watched bad action movies repeatedly if the fight choreography was good.  But I couldn't stay with a series I was so looking forward to because this was executed so poorly.

 

Use of the power was a little better.  All the arm waving looked kind of goofy, but how the weaves were presented on screen worked fine for me.

[Samt]

4 hours ago, DojoToad said:

Jordan did this so well in the books.  Probably what he did best in the books.  Everything from one-on-one combat to skirmishes to full-scale battles...

 

His descriptions on the use of the one power were a close second.

 

Combat both with and without the power was what I was most looking forward to seeing in the show.  Mundane combat was a huge disappointment with the exception of the Blood Snow.  I've watched bad action movies repeatedly if the fight choreography was good.  But I couldn't stay with a series I was so looking forward to because this was executed so poorly.

 

Use of the power was a little better.  All the arm waving looked kind of goofy, but how the weaves were presented on screen worked fine for me.

 

20 hours ago, Kaleb said:

Been rewatching with my gf, I'm trying to get her to listen to the corresponding Wheel Takes podcast episodes too, but that is a lot to ask! Through S1E5, I really like so much of the worldbuilding, and I feel like some of the book fans really got hung up on things that were intentional misdirections that they should have recognized as obvious biased lies from known sources of untruth (i.e. Liandrin's comment in the opening scene that this power wasn't meant for men, you make it filthy when you touch it).

 

A couple things I really deeply enjoyed seeing again:

- The intro to the Tinkers. I think Jordan's experience as a Vietnam veteran made it hard for him to convey a truly convincing pacifist ideology, The Way Of The Leaf was often not much more than a caricature in the books, especially early on. But Ila's story about her daughter really flesh out Jordan's skeletal idea and make it very believable. Aram had some great comments too, and we are gonna see them both again in S3, very excited to see if they can make Aram a more compelling character than the books did.

- Similarly, Dana was a great amalgam and deepening of all the early Darkfriends that Mat and Rand encountered on the road to Caemlyn in the books. The show is going to be full of one-and-done characters like her, and I really feel like Rafe and team are using those roles to great effect.

- Loved seeing Birgitte referenced, we will probably see her in S3 poking around TAR

- All of the main characters so quickly settled into the people I knew from the books, it's such a joy seeing them interact on screen.

 

I did not like the battle with Logain's army at the Aes Sedai camp. They did an ok job of conveying scale with very few people when they introduced Logain capturing the king of Ghealdan in the cold open, but it was a swing and a miss when it came to actual combat. If they were going to have a character say "no army can stand against seven full sisters" then they needed to show some real strength, and Alanna's Air weaves to catch the arrows and then throw up some kind of shield later absolutely did not cut it. The tiny number of people in the "army" was laughable, but they used the forest setting to try and suggest more, I get it and will happily cut some slack. But this was a real missed opportunity to show off the One Power, and they blew it. Thus far, the weakness of combat scenes has been my biggest complaint about the show, none of the battle scenes have been satisfying at all. 

The Logain’s army battle scene really stuck out as badly done.  It feels like low budget, amateur work done for a highschool film project.  Everything from the lighting to the choreography to the special effects feels cheap and shoddy.  

[DigificWriter]

8 hours ago, Mailman said:

did you underline this because it is so obviously not true

 

A person's refusal to acknowledge/see something as being true doesn't mean that it isn't true.

 

I'm rewatching Season 2 at the moment and had a thought that I wanted to reiterate: until/unless we're told otherwise in the future, I'm fully convinced that Liandrin was the Aes Sedai that forced a young Moiraine to get over the things that were blocking her ability to Channel because it makes so much sense in regards to how she (Liandrin) is characterized in the early part of the season (S2).

[Kaleb]

10 hours ago, Mailman said:

did you underline this because it is so obviously not true

I say exactly what I mean as often as possible, thanks.

 

The dotted underline is something related to me abbreviating Tel'aran'rhiod as TAR and the site wants to tag the rest of the paragraph with that. I futzed around a little trying to undo it and gave up.

[Kaleb]

2 hours ago, DigificWriter said:

A person's refusal to acknowledge/see something as being true doesn't mean that it isn't true.

Dealing with this in my non-WoT life, well said and a valuable reminder!

[Erin D.]

6 hours ago, DigificWriter said:

 

A person's refusal to acknowledge/see something as being true doesn't mean that it isn't true.

 

I'm rewatching Season 2 at the moment and had a thought that I wanted to reiterate: until/unless we're told otherwise in the future, I'm fully convinced that Liandrin was the Aes Sedai that forced a young Moiraine to get over the things that were blocking her ability to Channel because it makes so much sense in regards to how she (Liandrin) is characterized in the early part of the season (S2).

 I like that idea! It does make sense, and it also establishes more of a connection/history between them.

 

Also, FYI - we're going to be rewatching S2 on our #reWoTch livestream show starting Jan 20th if you want to join in via YouTube or Twitch. If you're not familiar with the show, Thom DeSimone & Crystal Fritz host a watch party of one episode with a different guest each week- Mondays at 9pm New York time. It's a lot of fun- hanging out chatting about what's going on in the episode (and in general). 

[Mailman]

8 hours ago, DigificWriter said:

 

A person's refusal to acknowledge/see something as being true doesn't mean that it isn't true.

 

I'm rewatching Season 2 at the moment and had a thought that I wanted to reiterate: until/unless we're told otherwise in the future, I'm fully convinced that Liandrin was the Aes Sedai that forced a young Moiraine to get over the things that were blocking her ability to Channel because it makes so much sense in regards to how she (Liandrin) is characterized in the early part of the season (S2).

Well you can see the characters as the same but i think you are being boderline delusional and simply projecting the characters of the book onto the imitations on the screen.

 

Mat is changed from a rogue into a full-on thief who abandons his friends by the end of the season.

Perrin is turned into a married man who kills his wife and a relentless mope rather than the quiet thoughtful serious man he is in the books.

Moiraine is unconscious for like half of the first 5 episodes and is stripped of her intelligence and drive that made her such a great character in the books.

Lan is shown as inferior to a village wisdom in a combat situation and a tracker that is unable to spot a tell that he has had 20 years to recognize.

Thom is a thief.

 

There is loads more but I can't bring them all to mind at the moment but if you think those characters are the same as the books then I can't help you.

 

 

Was Moiraine given a learning block in the TV show? I don't remember that.

Edited Saturday at 01:03 AM by Mailman

[DigificWriter]

1 hour ago, Mailman said:

Well you can see the characters as the same but i think you are being boderline delusional and simply projecting the characters of the book onto the imitations on the screen

 

I'd be very careful calling diehard WoT fans like Thom DeSimone, Kathy Campbell, Rajiv Mote, Maureen Carr, KritterXD, Ta'varen Tavern, Winespring Cafe, LezbiNerdy, and MalkierTalks (to name but a few) 'borderline delusional'.

Edited Saturday at 02:52 AM by DigificWriter

[Kaleb]

2 hours ago, Mailman said:

Mat is changed from a rogue into a full-on thief who abandons his friends by the end of the season.

Perrin is turned into a married man who kills his wife and a relentless mope rather than the quiet thoughtful serious man he is in the books.

Moiraine is unconscious for like half of the first 5 episodes and is stripped of her intelligence and drive that made her such a great character in the books.

Lan is shown as inferior to a village wisdom in a combat situation and a tracker that is unable to spot a tell that he has had 20 years to recognize.

Thom is a thief.

 

There is loads more but I can't bring them all to mind at the moment but if you think those characters are the same as the books then I can't help you.

Nobody wants the kind of help you're offering. I could offer you pity, but I doubt you're in that market either.

 

Mat was a selfish slacker with a heart of gold until he turned into Dagger Mat who was everybody's least-favorite character until he got a re-boot in Book 3. The show making him a shade darker in the beginning is absolutely in tune with the early books. Everyone knows he left his friends in the show because the actor left the cast unexpectedly, and they did what they could to tie that off, unsatisfactory as it is. Claiming disdain toward book fans is ludicrous.

 

Perrin was a relentless mope in the books, I have no idea why anyone would see him as any different in the show. Yes, they had him kill his wife, which I wouldn't have done, but all we have in the books is this big guy who walks small because he was afraid of hurting people like he'd done when he was a kid? Make that make sense without an inner monologue. The fridging makes sense from an efficiency standpoint, if absolutely not for creativity.

 

Sure, Moiraine showing more power and doling out more lore would have been great. The "Weep For Manetheren" scene should have been one of several similar if I had my druthers, but we know that Rafe had to fight like hell just to keep that in. She is obviously the prime mover of all their adventures in S1, so I don't know how one could say her intelligence and drive are in any way diminished.

 

Lan is more than just a super soldier, and I'm glad to see a wider range in the show, which is apparent to his peers in the books anyway, it's just that Rand and his daddy issues is who Lan gets filtered through. Sure, book Lan would never have been surprised by Nynaeve outside Shadar Logoth (and he easily overpowered her there too, btw), and we've discussed the "tell" stupidity ad nauseum, it's part of the panicked rewrite after losing Mat's actor and all the covid restrictions. To fixate on minor details like those as fundamental character traits is a choice one can make, but is certainly not obligated to.

 

I would have loved to see Thom be more of the Merlin from Disney's The Sword In The Stone that I imagined in the early books, but that was always incongruous with the character we got to know later in the books. A courtly outcast who moves among thieves and brutes with swagger is an excellent way to introduce him in the show.

 

That's how I see it, for the record. You've made it clear you don't. Let's both take a page from DojoToad and seek to convince no further.

Edited Saturday at 03:31 AM by Kaleb

[Mailman]

3 hours ago, DigificWriter said:

 

I'd be very careful calling diehard WoT fans like Thom DeSimone, Kathy Campbell, Rajiv Mote, Maureen Carr, KritterXD, Ta'varen Tavern, Winespring Cafe, LezbiNerdy, and MalkierTalks (to name but a few) 'borderline delusional'.

Why?

I doubt there are many people that have read the series as many times as I have so I would consider myself in the superfan category for absolute certain.

Again I was incredibly excited when the show was announced I had been hoping for years for a TV or movie adaption of the books.

 

Did Moiraine get a learning block in the TV show?

[Mailman]

3 hours ago, Kaleb said:

 

 

Mat was a selfish slacker with a heart of gold until he turned into Dagger Mat who was everybody's least-favorite character until he got a re-boot in Book 3. The show making him a shade darker in the beginning is absolutely in tune with the early books. Everyone knows he left his friends in the show because the actor left the cast unexpectedly, and they did what they could to tie that off, unsatisfactory as it is. Claiming disdain toward book fans is ludicrous.

 

 

I'll only comment on this one as Mat is probably my favourite character.

 

Mat would slack off and he would pull pranks in the books but he was not selfish. Remember the story that Nynaeve told of him rescuing the child in the river after making a fool of himself the year before and he was honest to a fault with characters often saying that if he gave his word then he would follow through no matter the cost to himself.

 

TV Mat is a thief who abandons his friends with the fate of the world on the line. I am aware of the loss of the actor being an issue BUT we have to accept what the show gave us which is Mat abandoning his lifelong friends in the most dire of circumstances. That was the shows choice.

 

Trying to claim that this character has been faithfully adapted from the book is nonsense.

 

Edited Saturday at 06:54 AM by Mailman

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Wow, appeal to authority on this site. Surely you are the only person here that has read the books. More than once, you say? *lets monocle fall from shock*

 

You are taking Mat's character after healing, not that from the early books. Book Mat as an adult played vindictive elaborate jokes on literal children to get his kicks. He cruelly laughs and snickers (even at times of great danger and stress) at those less fortunate, abandons Rand and bullies Perrin to do so as well because of his airs and graces and then totally drops him when he learns he can channel. Yes, Jordan pretends in the later books none of this happened, but I thought the show should try to be as accurate as possible? Book Mat is a total mess until we get his POV in Tar Valon after healing, when he suddenly remembers his heart of gold, his great skill with the quarterstaff, his addictions to gambling, tabak and wine, and his obsession with bosoms. In my humble opinion, which obviously is not worth as much as that of a superfan like you, the show has made a decent attempt at reconciling Mat into a consistent character. I don't think I would have made the choices they have made but I can see and appreciate what they were trying to do. 

[Mailman]

14 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Wow, appeal to authority on this site. Surely you are the only person here that has read the books. More than once, you say? *lets monocle fall from shock*

 

 

Are you for real I was told I had better be careful because my views may not match superfans views. Maybe get a couple of monocles because you need them.

 

I was simply pointing out that i am as much of a fan as those other mentioned

Edited Saturday at 11:37 AM by Mailman

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

4 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Are you for real I was told I had better be careful because my views may not match superfans views. Maybe get a couple of monocles because you need them.

 

I was simply pointing out that i am as much of a fan as those other mentioned

You were presenting your opinion as the truth, and when pointed to the fact that other fans disagree with you, you doubled down on your superfan status. 

 

You, as any kind of fan, are more than welcome to your opinions, just as any other kind of fan that wishes to discuss them. Branding people that disagree with as "borderline delusional" is hardly offering the respect that you appear to want for yourself to others. 

 

You did not like the series. That does not make those that did wrong, and it does not make your subjective views facts. You did not like the show interpretation of Mat, that is fine. But your argumentation is severely lacking, in my humble opinion, and entirely unconvincing to this person that has read the books multiple times. I think you are not adequately looking at the problems of book Mat's character pre healing, the issues of the books being written as stand alones instead of as a series, and i realise that many will not agree with me in those opinions. 

[Mailman]

1 hour ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

 

You are taking Mat's character after healing, not that from the early books. Book Mat as an adult played vindictive elaborate jokes on literal children to get his kicks. He cruelly laughs and snickers (even at times of great danger and stress) at those less fortunate, abandons Rand and bullies Perrin to do so as well because of his airs and graces and then totally drops him when he learns he can channel. Yes, Jordan pretends in the later books none of this happened, but I thought the show should try to be as accurate as possible? Book Mat is a total mess until we get his POV in Tar Valon after healing, when he suddenly remembers his heart of gold, his great skill with the quarterstaff, his addictions to gambling, tabak and wine, and his obsession with bosoms. In my humble opinion, which obviously is not worth as much as that of a superfan like you, the show has made a decent attempt at reconciling Mat into a consistent character. I don't think I would have made the choices they have made but I can see and appreciate what they were trying to do. 

You are talking about the Mat that literally risked his life twice to save a child from drowning despite being mocked for it for a year after the first time. That always kept his word.

 

Men who can channel were feared incredibly and especially the Dragon and remember that Rand abused Perrin and Mat in an effort to drive them away from him. Also remeber that Moiraine had all Rands clothes changed to a lords clothing for her own reasons. so its hardly him putting on airs and graces for his own benefit.

 

Vindictive jokes. Fairly harmless things like flouring dogs and letting a badger loose

 

Book Mat also agrees to place himself at the eye of the world solely as a Ta'veren in order to save the world. And that is after Moiraine tells him she cannot force him to go. Are you really still calling him selfish

 

Book Mat also looks out for and cares for Rand as they travel to Caemlyn.

 

Book Mat that fought with the heroes of the horn to free Egwene.

 

I would suggest that you maybe have a look at your opinion of Mat pre healing as he has quite a lot of heroic traits.

 

 I am more than happy to debate on the facts.

Edited Saturday at 12:27 PM by Mailman

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

That did not happen in the first books. The show could also add in a bunch of anecdotes later about Mat's younger adventures. 

 

Yes, the joke was to laugh at the kids who believed in ghost dogs. The badger was to upset a hugely important day for the girls. I don't see that as a fun joker, that everyone likes. It seems that is only for Mat's fun, not anyone else's. 

 

And Perron also went through what Mat did, but dealt with it a lot better regarding Rand. 

 

Could it be that we have both taken different things out of the books, building a head canon that is subtly different in some respects and very different in others? That could affect how we see the show? And no one needs to be delusional to have these varying thoughts and opinions? 

[Mailman]

29 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

That did not happen in the first books. The show could also add in a bunch of anecdotes later about Mat's younger adventures. 

 

Yes, the joke was to laugh at the kids who believed in ghost dogs. The badger was to upset a hugely important day for the girls. I don't see that as a fun joker, that everyone likes. It seems that is only for Mat's fun, not anyone else's. 

 

And Perron also went through what Mat did, but dealt with it a lot better regarding Rand. 

 

Could it be that we have both taken different things out of the books, building a head canon that is subtly different in some respects and very different in others? That could affect how we see the show? And no one needs to be delusional to have these varying thoughts and opinions? 

The anecdote did not happen till later but did happen prior to his healing so it does have relevance considering your opinion of Mat pre healing. And as you view of Mat pre healing is incredibly low it does not fit.

 

The badger was the day before the dance so it was not in fact interrupting the actual event. And I mean seriously its at worst slightly more than a childish prank.

 

All the rest of it including him risking his life by travelling the ways to pit himself a 17 year old against the dark one and his minions happened in the first 2 books.

 

How that can be in anyway claimed to be an accurate adaption between book and screen is just not a reasonable one.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 12:58 PM by Mailman

[Mailman]

43 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

 

And Perron also went through what Mat did, but dealt with it a lot better regarding Rand. 

 

 

Just reread that passage where they find out and yes Perrin remains the calmer of the 2 which is completely within character but then he actually agrees with Mat that maybe Rand should run and hide. Mat is scared but handles it fairly well hardly like he started screaming for everyone to come and kill the channeler. 

 

Also remember at this point Perrin has his own issue that he is dealing with that he can't run from so it gives him a extra understanding of the situation.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Sometimes you can't run, Rand. 

 

Perrin was suggesting something along the lines that Rand was already thinking, running away to keep everyone else safe, but also about how you cannot run from what is inside you. Mat had something similar with the dagger - that was entirely his fault - yet felt no sympathy and was talking about running from Rand to keep himself safe. 

 

In my opinion, Mat's character in the show is a good reconciliation of the the book character pre-healing (where Mat was the Gollum in the LOTR trope) and post-healing, where he is a completely different character, with different traits and abilities. Your denial that there was any change does not lend support to your judgement of the show's adaptation, much less your claim that anyone that thinks differently is delusional. 

 

We see things differently, but this is not due to you liking or knowing the books better (especially not if you need to read a passage to remember what it said *joking*). 

Edited 22 hours ago by HeavyHalfMoonBlade

[DigificWriter]

@Mailman Pretty much every single person I named is a respected pillar of the WoT fandom (and four of them are directly involved with Dragonmount.com itself), and so by calling anybody who maintains that the characters in the TV series are absolutely recognizable vis a vis their book counterparts (which all of the named individuals have said is very much the case) 'borderline delusional', you are directly calling into question their credentials and credibility as WoT experts and fandom leaders, which is very much not a smart thing to do and which I was politely trying to dissuade you from doing.

 

You don't have to like the TV series or the way its characters have been written, but there is a distinct difference between expressing negative opinions and calling into question the cognitive functions of any person who disagrees with you, which in this instance is a group that includes all of the individuals that I name-checked.