Slayer and Fain. Why ?

[grump]

It was always Fains project to destroy Rands home to lure him back. He brought the Whitecloaks, but how did Slayer and the trollics get involved.

 

Fain hates the DO almost as much as Rand.

 

Who assigned the two of them to work together on Fains pet program, or was it some kind of private deal just between them.

 

Is it possible that the two of them and perhaps Haran might have formed an independant and wild card power group ?

 

Any body out there given this any thought or know where its already been covered ?

[Narcissism]

Slayer was there to get rid of Fain i think. As for the trollocs.. i can't exactly remember but i remember Luc hearing Perrin's plan to ambush the group ahead and then themselves in turn got ambushed, So they could very well be Slayers... but then again Fain could have had his own fist's of trollocs about too.

[Luckers]

Fain was by that stage concidered a traitor. Isam was set the task of hunting him down and making an example of him. Fain used this to lure Isam into bringing Trollocs to the Two Rivers to accomplish his goal of hurting everyone Rand loves.

[richglennon]

I've always seen Fain as the DH. (Designated hitter in baseball terms) He follows no pattern. He is more evil than the foresaken, carries the dagger of Shaga______ ( I forgot the whole name). He has been bent by the dark one and rebuilt. Basically, I just think of him of Golem X3. If you follow his story, he has no, and i repeat, no compatriarts in the novels.

[grump]

Luc is running all over He knows where Fain is . If all he was there for was to kill Fain why didn't he?

Why did he bring all the trollics ? It looks more like they were working together than apart.

 

Do you have a referance for Isem being assigned to kill him ?

[Guest Barmacral]

Yes, there are references made by the forsaken to Isam being sent to hunt and kill fain (I don't recall where exactly), however, I do not believe those references came until sometime after the harrowing of the two rivers.

[grump]

That makes sence thanks so it was possible they were working together before that point.

[Leopoled Boothe]

Luc is running all over He knows where Fain is . If all he was there for was to kill Fain why didn't he?

Why did he bring all the trollics ? It looks more like they were working together than apart.

 

Maybe he tried once and then decided he needed reinforcements hence the trollocs. Remember Fain is one of very, very few people who can intemidate a Mydraal into doing his bidding or can torture one into giving up information. All of Fain's opponents have found him to be suprisingly formatable so why should Slayer be any different.

 

Having the two of them working together would be kinda cool, but I have to agree with Richglennon that Fain works alone.

[Luckers]

He tried on several occaisions, including sending Grey Men after him. Each time Fain killed those sent against him. As for why Isam himself didn't go... self-preservation, perhaps.

[grump]

If the trollics were there to kill Fain why didn't they attack the Whitecloaks first instead of the town

 

Not knowing that the waygate has been closed Fain wonders why Isem doesn't have the land black with trollics. At that point he doesn't seem to think they are there for him. Also the number that were there is giant overkill for someone like Fain. His ability to handle Fades and Trollics works one on one not one on thousands

 

My original thought was that they SEEM to be working together to destroy Edmonds Field and my question asked was why.

[DemandredFO]

My thought is that maybe they saw the destruction of Emonds Field as a way to lure the Dragon into a trap there. Fain wants rand dead, the shadow wants him turned, as faras luring the Dragon there, their goals coincide. Maybe Slayer was a kill Fain if you can order but he's not your top priority.

[grump]

O almost forgot Fain was responsible for bringing the trollics to Edmonds Field in the first book

 

I don't know if it has anything to do with what is happening in the fourth book or not, and it is back before he was changed, but it asks is some plan ongoing or are they seperate incidents

[Luckers]

They did attack the whitecloaks... again, re-read those chapters... There were several attempts made against fain's life. The appearence of Perrin changed things, of course...

[Tenshin_Xo]

What does everyone think about Fain being able to possibly corrupt Myrddraal with his Mordeth abilities? I'm thinking along the lines of how he turns the whitecloaks from military zealots to a hair's breadth from being DF brigands.

[Luckers]

Well Mordeths true strength lay in his ability to manipulate people... to taint them. I mean, the description of the last years of Aridhol is a story of people who were almost darkfriends.

 

Yes, the combination of the dark one, Mordeth and Machin shin have resulted in extra powers, but Fains strength still lays in his ability to bring out the worst in people.

[schneb]

O almost forgot Fain was responsible for bringing the trollics to Edmonds Field in the first book

 

I don't know if it has anything to do with what is happening in the fourth book or not' date=' and it is back before he was changed, but it asks is some plan ongoing or are they seperate incidents[/quote']

 

Fain was only "responsible" in that he found the boys and told the DO where they were. He had no command influence over the Fades that brought the Trollocs. In fact, they treated him worse than you would treat a good tracking dog.

 

On the note of Slayer and Fain working together, we get a monologue from Slayer about how he had initially been sent to deal with the "traitor", and finding Perrin there was just a bonus. The traitor that he was sent for was Fain. I don't believe that he was necessarily sent to kill him. I could be remembering wrong since I'm not there yet in my curret re-read, but it seems to me that the forsaken that sent Slayer might want to talk to Fain to figure him out. Hence the no stepping out of the world of dreams to kill him.

[Tenshin_Xo]

Fain was responsible in that he went to the Two Rivers at that point specifically to draw slayer and the trollocs there in order to hurt Rand. He apparently knew that Slayer(or someone in the DO's camp) was after him in a bad way, and used whoever was hounding him to hurt the Taveren Trio. The attacks and attempts on Fains life make it obvious that the goal was to kill the guy, other wise why use so many fists of trollocs? Don't send a trolloc to take prisoners, they like eating too much.

[grump]

I don't recall an attack on the main body of Whitecloaks, just on patrols, which was SOP for small raiding and forraging bands while the main body of trollics was still coming in.

 

Fain also begins to seperate himself from the whitecloaks shortly after Perrin gets there

By the time they try to arrest Perrin he is not with them any more and observes the battle and aftermath from hiding.

 

I wonder if failing to show up for the battle on the correct side is the reason the DO orders him killed

in the next books. That is assuming he was there on the DO's orders in the first place. If he wasn't then that also might make the DO disown him.

 

A lot of questions , not many answers

[Tenshin_Xo]

It's more likely that his death was ordered for deserting his post as the DO's hound shortly after the Shadar Logoth incident when Mat got the dagger. Especially if any shadowspawn picked up on his possesion by Mordeth.