RAGNAROK AVERTED - TOWN WINS (Including EP)

[Gabriel Kross]

@DPR You're pretty famous as a mafia mod, what are your thought on Ame's flipped ability vs AJ's claim that Ame visited Kat.

[Leyrann]

6 hours ago, Shad_ said:

 

Maybe my memory is just being wonky but did you actually lay out a reason for your initial vote on EP?  Especially confused because I thought your vote came after most of his posts today?

 

Yes, I did. I thought that EP was claiming he'd forced Duke's action onto Dice, while what EP was saying was that he was certain nothing had been done to Duke's action.

 

5 hours ago, Krakalakachkn said:

 

Vote Ley

 

Why do you need to pay more attention to AJ?  What does that mean to you?

 

Because sometimes even though I read people's posts I don't really get an idea for alignment, so then I need to pay attention to them for that.

 

1 hour ago, bgrishinko said:

I think Leyrann is the Vig based on her immediate out of the gate vote for Kat.

 

Shad, DPR, AJ...

Which one you all be redirecting the kill off Kat?

 

I'm not the Vig. As for what I am, I'd prefer revealing that only after getting a positive answer on a question I asked Darthe just a few mintues ago.

 

Also, you should know I'm a he, we played together quite a few times. :)

[Leyrann]

Not really seeing the BG train by the way, we have established by now that the no lynch is likely not a free choice right?

[bgrishinko]

33 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

the frick? You addressed only a single point of mine then blow off the others after I did what you asked: "let me know if I missed something"... I don't think that's how this works.

 

Cause this the other points you made were basically already talked about between AJ and me in the following few posts. Except the Shad thing, but I'll reiterate anyway below...

 

44 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

Just gonna copy paste the relevant data

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Eternal Phoenix - Roleblock... blocker?

wrong on multiple levels\

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Other notes....
Vote Stealer

Shad didn't visit anyone
Roleblocker Exits most likely

 

notes 2 and 3 are bad for reason:
2: Lenlo said he got no result, not that Shad didn't visit anyone. huge difference.

3: Hallia fully claimed blocker, you labled me as blocker and yet this is in "other notes" why?

 

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I did not try to kill Kat and I did not save her. So that leaves the 2 of the ?? as the perpetrators of that. 

 

This assumes people only have 1 ability. Dice's flip alone reveals that is not guranteed, on top of other hints.

 

So your roleblocker blocker was the best understanding I had from your description (which is an enabler as AJ mentioned), but you left it ambiguous. Hence a question mark after it. I think everyone's roles are not typical from what we've seen from flips. We say Ed was cop, but it wasn't his actual title or specifically a normal cop, we were just saying the nearest typical version.

Good point about Lenlo getting no result on Shad rather than not visiting anyone. That makes sense. Forgot about that.

 

AJ also reminded me of Hallia being Roleblocker.

 

Again I'm just trying to compile a list of known information, not a definitive list. Helps me think, so any input and corrections are appreciated.

 

 

 

[bgrishinko]

@Leyrann Lol, sorry. I do that to your name every time too. For some reason my brain associates Ley with female. I know you've corrected me 100 times too, hahaha. I just need to think of you as Rann instead and it'll help me.

[Andrej]

13 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

Not really seeing the BG train by the way, we have established by now that the no lynch is likely not a free choice right?

 

But also that it’s pretty likely he isn’t town.

[Leyrann]

15 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

But also that it’s pretty likely he isn’t town.

 

I'm not seeing that part. We don't know whether the comment by Darthe was related to it.

 

Either way, if BG says he can get himself confirmed next night, then why not?

 

(congrats on your 19000th post btw)

[Gabriel Kross]

1 minute ago, Leyrann said:

 

I'm not seeing that part. We don't know whether the comment by Darthe was related to it.

 

Either way, if BG says he can get himself confirmed next night, then why not?

 

(congrats on your 19000th post btw)

because pacifist is the role that can only vote no lynch, Darthe announced the pacifist is SK. So Not Town. All we know is there are atleast 2 versions of Pacifist one with a recruit ability, one with a kill blocking ability. both versions are labled as third party roles. Why are you protecting a known not town? 

[Gabriel Kross]

Just now, Eternal Phoenix said:

because pacifist is the role that can only vote no lynch, Darthe announced the pacifist is SK. So Not Town. All we know is there are atleast 2 versions of Pacifist one with a recruit ability, one with a kill blocking ability. both versions are labled as third party roles. Why are you protecting a known not town? 

btw the "two known versions" comment was about established versions of the role that we've found outside the game

[Leyrann]

31 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

because pacifist is the role that can only vote no lynch, Darthe announced the pacifist is SK. So Not Town. All we know is there are atleast 2 versions of Pacifist one with a recruit ability, one with a kill blocking ability. both versions are labled as third party roles. Why are you protecting a known not town? 

 

Because waiting one night to get confirmation is worth not lynching a suspected non-town role if it's day 2.

 

Also, not to restart the debate of the last few pages, but defeated can mean that he became town. So, again, let's wait one cycle and get confirmation.

[Gabriel Kross]

11 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

 

Because waiting one night to get confirmation is worth not lynching a suspected non-town role if it's day 2.

 

Also, not to restart the debate of the last few pages, but defeated can mean that he became town. So, again, let's wait one cycle and get confirmation.

No.

[Leyrann]

5 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

No.

 

Okay.

 

Agree to disagree then.

[DPR]

2 hours ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

@DPR You're pretty famous as a mafia mod, what are your thought on Ame's flipped ability vs AJ's claim that Ame visited Kat.

 

Ameg had the ability to ask Mod a question per night. 

 

Kat claimed "Bruce Banner" and specifically warned "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" as people started to vote her. 

 

You backed up Kat's name claim when I questioned whether it was a fit for the game ( does a movie character exist in a game with all mythological references, or did she just make a mistake? ).

 

You eliminated any need to spec further on the name issue. Kat warned us. Seems likely enough that Ameg asked about Kat to resolve her slot and got killed by Kat's power for doing so.  

 

In that scenario, Ameg wasn't the only one to take action against Kat last night. There would have been a vig hit on her, but she survived it ( Hulk can't be killed, so maybe Xshot BPV to balance out the bomb? ). 

 

The Redirect theory from Kat to Ameg only makes sense to me if there is a Mafia team and not all 3P's, as is being floated around right now. In that case, we're looking for players that have tried to take the heat off Kat today.  

[DPR]

I'm about halfway through my rr, but there is a major issue with the fact that not only can we not ISO, the posts aren't even numbered anymore. 

 

So unless there is a smoking gun post (which we can link to), it's next to impossible to build a case on anything subtle because there will be a an entire page can be taken up by posting a "conversation" between two players.

 

I'm going to give an example:

[DPR]

I can post EP's question to me by quoting it, or by posting this link: 

 

But what I can't do is go back and edit my post to include a number of links - I have to list them post by post, which becomes very unreadable and loses any effectiveness in case building. 

[DPR]

The end result is that it becomes pointless to try and make a case outside of the "smoking gun" scenario.

 

i.e., I use to be able to say "check out posts 211, 212, 214, 217, and 225" and provide links. Or just post a bunch of nested quotes. 

 

Now I have to say "look at Page 3, go to the 11th post down and then compare that to Page 5 and go the 2nd post down"... Ain't nobody gonna bother doing that. 

 

So, I can list a lot of things that I think I see, and associations I think I've made and add to the tons of speculation that are already badly cluttering up the game. But my sense is that this will just clutter up the game further and in the case of players who are just spot reading, it becomes a major detriment. 

 

Instead, Ima just post overall impressions for posterity - tuck 'em in your pocket if you like to compare to hard info as slots flip.

[Nynaeve]

Guys work is awful right now. I am still there. Should be able to show in like 9 hours or so but I dont have the time to catch up on it all.

 

You guys are gonna have to summarize it for me so we can put my votes to good use.

 

Cya later :-/

[Gabriel Kross]

12 minutes ago, DPR said:

The end result is that it becomes pointless to try and make a case outside of the "smoking gun" scenario.

 

i.e., I use to be able to say "check out posts 211, 212, 214, 217, and 225" and provide links. Or just post a bunch of nested quotes. 

 

Now I have to say "look at Page 3, go to the 11th post down and then compare that to Page 5 and go the 2nd post down"... Ain't nobody gonna bother doing that. 

 

So, I can list a lot of things that I think I see, and associations I think I've made and add to the tons of speculation that are already badly cluttering up the game. But my sense is that this will just clutter up the game further and in the case of players who are just spot reading, it becomes a major detriment. 

 

Instead, Ima just post overall impressions for posterity - tuck 'em in your pocket if you like to compare to hard info as slots flip.

can you not just multiquote?

[DPR]

1. EP/ Lenlo - Yeah, when I go back to the first 10 pages, I think I can see where they focus on bantering with each other more than with other players. Does it mean they are teamed up? Who knows. But there is this:

 

Why does a player who hasn't played (much?) in 5 years jump into a advanced game, announce that they haven't played (much?) in 5 years, and then load the game down with "this is how things are" posts, theories and spec? It's happened so much that multiple players have had to caution against speculation vs. factual info, but instead of that slowing EP down, we are now in the middle of a spec storm.

 

Given my above posts about our limitations in making cases, I just feel like this is an easy way for Mafia to steer the game away from fact based solving. If I'm going to speculate, I'd say that Mod chose to not have a hammer game and set the Day/Night times to enhance this confusion. It's working. 

 

2. BG - Up until he became today's lynch leader, he has contributed a lot of filler but no actual info. Now that he is in the hot seat, he floats the "I have a plan - trust me" angle. Bottom line - he's pinged too many people for it to be a coincidence and he's done nothing to provide any value to the town. He's my top choice for lynch.

 

3. Kat - Already commented above. She'll show back and say what she's going to say. I'm content to wait for that.

 

4. 3P vs. Mafia team theories - Bleh. Wish we hadn't gone here. If a player isn't solving, they're not helping. And if they are speculating and needlessly pushing the post count up, that speaks for itself. 

 

My sense is, again, if it was all 3P's, we would have seen more kills last night. I think were looking for people working together.  

 

[DPR]

Vote: BG

[DPR]

14 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

can you not just multiquote?

 

For 3 or 4, sure. Not for 10 or 15. 

[DPR]

And it all loses context without nesting.

[Leyrann]

3 hours ago, DPR said:

The end result is that it becomes pointless to try and make a case outside of the "smoking gun" scenario.

 

i.e., I use to be able to say "check out posts 211, 212, 214, 217, and 225" and provide links. Or just post a bunch of nested quotes. 

 

Now I have to say "look at Page 3, go to the 11th post down and then compare that to Page 5 and go the 2nd post down"... Ain't nobody gonna bother doing that. 

 

So, I can list a lot of things that I think I see, and associations I think I've made and add to the tons of speculation that are already badly cluttering up the game. But my sense is that this will just clutter up the game further and in the case of players who are just spot reading, it becomes a major detriment. 

 

Instead, Ima just post overall impressions for posterity - tuck 'em in your pocket if you like to compare to hard info as slots flip.

 

Can't you link like this?

[DPR]

Again, sure, but the lack of nested quotes really makes context impossible.

 

And, realistically, nobody is going to tap 15 or 20 links. Hence the reason nobody makes cases anymore.

[Andrej]

I seem to be having a lot of cloudfare issues lately.