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[Eldrick4221]

3 minutes ago, Calder said:

Post cut-off on phone (continued):

 

My reputation isn't bad in terms of being helpful bc my reads tend to be pretty good.

 

I also see no real good reasons being given to vote anyone really. So not exactly sure how anyone else is really being helpful either actually.

 

Any reason, even if it's a bad one, is better than no reason. It can be questioned and discussed. It can be convincing or dismissed.

 

You don't like the current reasons and that's fine. There's been a large amount of inactivity on the roster. Why aren't you poking at them?

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

Vote Count

 

dice (1): Amega

Amega (2): dice, Cass

Calder (2): Eldrick, Dragoon

Cass (1): Calder

 

DL in ~4-5 hours

[Calder]

1 minute ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Any reason, even if it's a bad one, is better than no reason. It can be questioned and discussed. It can be convincing or dismissed.

 

You don't like the current reasons and that's fine. There's been a large amount of inactivity on the roster. Why aren't you poking at them?

 

Eldrick2 

 

Inactivity isn't a consistently effective way of finding scum. Hugely unreliable and I think a stupid D1 vote when an inactive poster will become more blatant if it continues in New phases.

[Eldrick4221]

Basing DL off when Nyn said "about 22 hours". Assuming it's on the hour, that's in 4 hours 29 mins.

[Eldrick4221]

1 minute ago, Calder said:

 

Inactivity isn't a consistently effective way of finding scum. Hugely unreliable and I think a stupid D1 vote when an inactive poster will become more blatant if it continues in New phases.

 

Badly worded. I'm contributing the lack of good reasons to the lack of active players.

 

I meant if you don't like the current reasons for voting, why not?

 

Eldrick2 

[Calder]

1 minute ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Badly worded. I'm contributing the lack of good reasons to the lack of active players.

 

I meant if you don't like the current reasons for voting, why not?

 

Eldrick2 

 

Few reasons have even been supplied. For instance, Dragoon is voting me. For what exactly other than I poked at him on Friday and it annoyed him.

 

He didn't contribute really anything of value when voting me. Yet.....people are inconsistent (opportunistic????) With caring whether votes are adequately supported.

[Eldrick4221]

Amega is voting dice because dice' s actions feel like backpedaling and because of the OMGUS vote. Both are defensive in his book, and defensive is worth voting.

 

Dice is voting Amega because he didn't like the reaction Amega had to dice calling Amega and me the scum team. His read on Amega hasn't wavered throughout the following discussion of the events.

 

Cass is voting Amega in part because of what Amega has chosen to focus on, and what he ignored.

 

The reasons are there. You apparently aren't looking.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

Dragoon is easily the least defined reason. You're right in that it hasn't been explored. Why aren't you exploring it? I'm fine with his reasoning.

 

Eldrick2 

[Calder]

24 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Dragoon is easily the least defined reason. You're right in that it hasn't been explored. Why aren't you exploring it? I'm fine with his reasoning.

 

Eldrick2 

 

I already said why. 

[Calder]

29 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Amega is voting dice because dice' s actions feel like backpedaling and because of the OMGUS vote. Both are defensive in his book, and defensive is worth voting.

 

Dice is voting Amega because he didn't like the reaction Amega had to dice calling Amega and me the scum team. His read on Amega hasn't wavered throughout the following discussion of the events.

 

Cass is voting Amega in part because of what Amega has chosen to focus on, and what he ignored.

 

The reasons are there. You apparently aren't looking.

 

Eldrick2 

 

None of that is very exciting. 

[Eldrick4221]

You said there weren't reasons. There are, and they have been heavily discussed.

 

Your viewpoint ON the reasons is a different matter entirely, but dismissing them to the point of not acknowledging their existence is downright rude.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

I've been wondering if Dragoon would have still voted Calder if I hadn't. He called it random, but there was a good deal of thought that went into the choice.

 

I had exhausted looking at the active, so I turned to inactives.

 

Kat's contribution so far has been seriously lacking, but she has been dealing with a sick 4-year old and not getting sleep. There's still a chance she is scum, but it's not an avenue I'm willing to explore at this point.

 

BG has at least been around and contributing. Some of his content is questionable, and he definitely isn't off the hook yet. Better not try to disappear into the shadows. We know you're still there.

 

Calder was my choice because of the timing of his inactivity. He was decently active at the beginning. He dropped some early reads on a couple people. He was interacting. Then nothing, once the game got going.

 

His current play, now that there's heat on him, is so different than his early tone that it's hard not to call it defensive. Pretty sure I've caught a wolf.

 

Eldrick2 

[Katiora]

Bleh..... There is both too much and too little in this thread  

 

 

I do appreciate everyone being patient with me. Weekends aren't great for me anyway, but weekends with the stomach bug might as well not be weekends.. lol Now lets try to get into this game. 

 

 

I don't agree with Amega's reasoning at all. It seems to me like drawing too much of a conclusion from too little evidence. And he also seems like he gets annoyed and slightly defensive when questioned... something I'm not a big fan of. I don't really know what to think of his and Cass's interaction. I'm not sure if it is just a miscommunication thing or if one is TRYING to make it look like that.. 

 

 

Dice I'm always horrible at reading. I think I know him too well and it makes me want to believe him lol. I don't know that I would vote him today but I haven't really seen anything that just screams to be "I'M TOTALLY TOWN DICE THIS TIME".

 

I have to say, Eldrick does seem to be legit trying to solve, which is a good D1 look. I don't know if I agree with his vote but I don't think I'll be voting for him today. If he's scum, the longer the game lasts the harder it is to put up a good solving front. 

 

 

I have no clue about Dragoon. I don't love his vote and I feel like it was a very sheepish thing to do. I'm very torn on that right now. But willing to look at what he does D2. 

 

Calder is annoying... I'm not sure what to think of it though. I don't remember the last game we played together in, or if we've played in any games together. Honestly at this point If we were to lynch him or Cass and they were to flip scum I wouldn't know what to do next. Would we really go after the other like they were trying to distance?? Or Idk... I don't think I'm mentally equipped for that today. I would like to see something on his part that didn't look like pure chaos, but I'm not sure we're going to get that. At least not D1. 

 

Bleh right now I'm between Amega and Calder.. but I'm just not sure. I wish I had been able to get on yesterday and read more slowly. I feel like I've missed stuff having to read 8 pages of posts in an hours time and try to remember who said what and why. 

 

 

Not gonna go vote yet. But If anyone has anything in particular they think I should look at I'd appreciate it. Otherwise I'm going to try to go back and speed read the whole thread again to see if I pick up on anything when I look at the thread as a whole instead of piecemeal how i've read it so far.  

 

[Katiora]

^^^ Katiora 9 

[Eldrick4221]

I think you've gotten a pretty good grasp of the thread in your speedread. Townie points for remembering all of that lol.

 

I'm not sure how I'd handle Cass if Calder flips scum. Gut wants to say leave her til lylo.

 

If one of Amega and Cass are trying to make it look like miscommunication, which way would you lean?

 

Eldrick2 

 

[Eldrick4221]

Everyone please make your tag one "word". Spaces dont filter correctly.

 

How you do it is ofc up to you, but I would suggest Name#

 

Eldrick2 

[Darthe]

3 hours ago, Cass said:

 

 

Yeah I'm fine with this.

 

When I say he's still within in his scum meta that doesn't mean I've locked him scum, just that I'm not moving him towards Town/out of null yet. The way I read his replies to you could easily have been more about moving the focus off himself than understanding your POV.

I've been duped/seen him at work too many times I guess. 

 

Cass7

This sounds like you have a negative read on me.  Why does this sound like you have a negative read on me?

2 hours ago, amegakure said:

I also have an astrict next to darthe. Eldrick has been trying to solve. He's also not tunneling on anyone which shows patience and a general town vibe for finding the right lynch. 

 

I'm willing to vote somewhere else if the town consensus demands it perhaps bg or Caldar but I'm not a fan of flopping my vote. I've made my case for dice so im gonna have to stick with it for a bit.

Good post

2 hours ago, Calder said:

 

You confuse making posts to appear useful with solving. I don't care about cultivating a useful persona. That doesn't benefit me.

 

I just have to be right when I cast my vote. It's the only part that matters.

I think I see where this kerfuffle is coming from.  You each have a point Imo.  There's an argument to be made that a townie does their part and they have conviction and that's enough, the rest is distraction.  

2 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

#1 choice to lynch - Scum

#2 choice - town that refuses to help

 

Right now, Calder, you are one of these.

There's also an argument to be made that it hurts the team to not be a part of it and aid in cultivating a core.  

 

Both have pitfalls and strengths.  Can we move on to something alignment indicative?  It's late in the day.

[bgrishinko]

10 hours ago, amegakure said:

@bg i rectified that and asked some questions. Thoughts? 

 

Ah, didn't notice because they were malformed inside of a quote block. Found them. Sounds like you think everything I said was scummy in some regard. One thing you said though was that you like listen to others and feed on their opinions. Not sure how I feel about that.

4. BG (5/50)

[Katiora]

This thing is ticking me off... It keeps adding my last post every time I click in this thing... I don't know why... 

 

Anyway to reference Eld's post to me because I have 10 posts i've got in my quote queue from my re-read I want to look at again <.< ... right now between Cass and Amega I think I'd go for believing Cass, but only because I've played with Cass before and I feel like I am able to read her better, which isn't a good reason which is why I haven't really made a decision between them and why I'm trying to re-read. Honestly it could be a genuine misunderstanding between townies. My brain feels like it's melting out my ears... 

 

 

And I screwed up my tag extra because I hit 9 instead of 6 on my keyboard and cause I'm stupid. lol 

 

 

katiora6 is my tag now. I shall endeavor to keep it the same the rest of the game.

 

 

 

 

[dicetosser1]

here and catching up

[dicetosser1]

8 hours ago, Cass said:

LOL <3

 

Uggggh caught up and re-read yesterday's stuff and I don't really know where's best to go at this point. 

 

TLDR Amega still has sticking points for me and I'd like to see other perspectives too.

 

@dicetosser1 before you go, has your read on him evolved from his responses / back and forth with Eldrick and I?

 

hes scum and i want him lynched, hes done nothing. his posts all have a defensive tone. and yet all he can go on about is omgus and a supposed backpedal.

 

5 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

This spoiler tag $^@%!& is really starting to #### me off.

 

language please.

[dicetosser1]

rikght whos here? dls in like 13 mins

 

[Katiora]

I'm here... still trying to finish my quick re-read but I keep getting called away by work... 

 

do we have a 100% time for day end?? I 

 

 

 

[dicetosser1]

6 mins

[dicetosser1]

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

I think you've gotten a pretty good grasp of the thread in your speedread. Townie points for remembering all of that lol.

 

I'm not sure how I'd handle Cass if Calder flips scum. Gut wants to say leave her til lylo.

 

If one of Amega and Cass are trying to make it look like miscommunication, which way would you lean?

 

Eldrick2 

 

 

absolutely not. Cass is NOT someone you leave til lylo if theres uncertainty.