[Game Thread] Aspiring Tennis Enthusiasts, GRATS MAFIA

[Verbal32]

 

You can nitpick my wording if you want but coincidences don’t really happen much in Mafia. It’s not a coincidence the conversation was had and they all died and BFG and I are matched again.

 

I’ll put it another way. I had already laid the ground work D1 to continue town reading BFG for the rest of the game if she was my partner. I could’ve paired myself with Lenlo and set her up with Aquilla and gone for the W last phase. In what world does it make sense for me as scum to intentionally put myself in the spot light by playing into people’s paranoia? So I can fall back on the too obvious to be obvious argument? I was set after D1 already. Everything that’s happened from D2 on would put an unnecessary target on my back.

Would we not have the exact same argument though? Bringing BFG back and putting her against someone else? It would still cause the tinfoil argument to come up and yes it gives you a chance to win D2, but it also puts you at risk to lose D2.

 

Safe play or risky play? Which gets used more often?

 

 

The safe play, which is to split up AJ and BFG if they are both scum.  If AJ went down due to tinfoil D2, BFG still prob wins her match and goes into the finals anyway.  And we're back to the spot we're in now.....expect for scum would have had a better chance splitting themselves D2.

[Verbal32]

*except

[BFG]

Sorry, phone posting so stuff posted too early

 

Give me a sec

[Verbal32]

@LZM

 

Where's your head at right now, bro?

[Lenlo]

@LZM

 

Where's your head at right now, bro?

Nonexistent probably.

[Shad_]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Final Match:

AJ (3) - Aquilla, Lenlo, Ben

Aquilla (2) - AJ, BFG

 

 

Votes are not locked.  The result will be determined at deadline.

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

If you didn't think he was a wolf, you should have just said that you were both town, but we should vote for you over him because reasons. It's been obvious since BFG subbed back in and AJ immediately began painting a conspiracy that he was in fact describing his/BFG's own strategy, but one of them was going to win D2 anyway, and we have AJ and 1 town left anyway, so...

Do you think BFG is also scum?

Yes

Why?

Because it makes the most sense for how this has played out, and he hard-defended you almost from the very start. You two are obviously teammates. It you're both town teammates, then Lenlo is brilliant. Do you think Lenlo is a better player than AJ? Than you?

 

@Verbal: I think I was killed specifically because I was onboard with Sooh's suspicions about BFG and AJ. Otherwise, they would have brought me back to lynch me again. The fact that AJ began spouting that very thing the minute the flips were in convinced me in the DT that he was scum and BFG was his partner. He was trying to disarm the suspicion by stating it outright and calling it tinfoil while riding it to D3. Now he is doing anything he can, name-calling, self pity, more railing against the tinfoiling, to get that short term victory that scum rely upon. He only has to last one more round, and he only needs one or two to buy in.

The only thing you say about AJ is that he 'could' do this. You don't give any reasons why were scum individually or even why were teamed beyond we 'could' be. So your case relies on speculation of what scum may do

 

Town you has more depth than that

[Andrej]

I mean, it’s not weird that two players who are hell bent on forcing BFG and I as scum together despite the lack of logical arguments beyond tinfoil are all parked firmly with the guy who hasn’t even bothered to check in since yesterday?

 

That’s your scum team, folks.

[BFG]

 

@AJ

 

This is not tinfoil.......but you and Nyn were pretty clear townies coming out of the D1 matches, and Nyn was permanently killed. Why weren't you? Why leave one of the 2 hardest working players alive when they had an opportunity to kill them both? And why kill Ben? I can see the Sooh kill - she's a solid townie and was clearly showing as much.....I was in doubt, so leaving me alive makes sense......but why kill Ben?

 

Let's be honest, Ben was going to be lynchbait each match - if I'm scum, I leave him alive. I also don't see why bring town!BFG back makes sense for scum.

Options to NK were you, me, Ben, lzm, sk. Lzm/sk were both absent, you and I were scum reading each other (which is a nice distraction for the thread) and Ben was being town read

 

Sooh, AJ, Nyn were the NK choices from the winners , all were strongly town read.

 

Pitting AJ/me creates the most wifom, and nobody has offered a case beyond that

[BFG]

 

Verb I'm around for any questions

In your opinion, did Sooh and Nyn "harp" on the tinfoil of you/AJ being scummates?

No, but context of the game. This has been pushed since Day 2 and it's the only reason people are giving

[Lenlo]

Quick aside, why tinfoil?

 

We use Aluminum foil now folks, who the hell is still using tin?

[Andrej]

Another question: if BFG and I are the scum together, who is our symp? Everyone has checked in minus Aquilla and he and I can’t be scum together.

 

Why isn’t there another person voting with me already? It’s all or nothing this phase.

[BFG]

LZM we need you!

[Lenlo]

Another question: if BFG and I are the scum together, who is our symp? Everyone has checked in minus Aquilla and he and I can’t be scum together.

 

Why isn’t there another person voting with me already? It’s all or nothing this phase.

LZM we need you!

?

[Andrej]

He’s been here already. Could’ve voted but didn’t.

 

Why delay?

[Lenlo]

He’s been here already. Could’ve voted but didn’t.

 

Why delay?

Apathy. Laziness. I dont. Im not a fan, but I cant vote him.

[Lenlo]

I dont know*

[BFG]

 

Another question: if BFG and I are the scum together, who is our symp? Everyone has checked in minus Aquilla and he and I can’t be scum together.

 

Why isn’t there another person voting with me already? It’s all or nothing this phase.

LZM we need you!

?

4 town, all town need to vote together, scum win ties

[BFG]

Verb, you said earlier that I was the lynchpin, but I'm already lynched so :P

 

More seriously what do you doubt?

[Gentled Ben]

 

@Verbal: I think I was killed specifically because I was onboard with Sooh's suspicions about BFG and AJ. Otherwise, they would have brought me back to lynch me again. The fact that AJ began spouting that very thing the minute the flips were in convinced me in the DT that he was scum and BFG was his partner. He was trying to disarm the suspicion by stating it outright and calling it tinfoil while riding it to D3. Now he is doing anything he can, name-calling, self pity, more railing against the tinfoiling, to get that short term victory that scum rely upon. He only has to last one more round, and he only needs one or two to buy in.

Ok, but then why wouldn't scum!AJ and scum!BFG just pair themselves against Lenlo/Aquilla on D2?  AJ's defending of BFG as town and his reasonable consensus as town would have put them in a very solid spot for a D2 win....so why?  This is probably the most important explanation of the game, btw.

 

Because putting BFG inthe bracket beside AJ gives them a guaranteed slot in D3. There is no risk there, and all they have to do is tie at that point. They've both played well so far, so why shouldn't that work? That's why.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

You can nitpick my wording if you want but coincidences don’t really happen much in Mafia. It’s not a coincidence the conversation was had and they all died and BFG and I are matched again.

 

I’ll put it another way. I had already laid the ground work D1 to continue town reading BFG for the rest of the game if she was my partner. I could’ve paired myself with Lenlo and set her up with Aquilla and gone for the W last phase. In what world does it make sense for me as scum to intentionally put myself in the spot light by playing into people’s paranoia? So I can fall back on the too obvious to be obvious argument? I was set after D1 already. Everything that’s happened from D2 on would put an unnecessary target on my back.

Would we not have the exact same argument though? Bringing BFG back and putting her against someone else? It would still cause the tinfoil argument to come up and yes it gives you a chance to win D2, but it also puts you at risk to lose D2.

 

Safe play or risky play? Which gets used more often?

 

 

The safe play, which is to split up AJ and BFG if they are both scum.  If AJ went down due to tinfoil D2, BFG still prob wins her match and goes into the finals anyway.  And we're back to the spot we're in now.....expect for scum would have had a better chance splitting themselves D2.

 

No, that's the risky play in which both *might* be eliminated. It may not be likely, but it's possible, and after D1, when AJ had played a strong town-looking game, why not stick with what was working and is absolutely guaranteed to get one of them into the final bracket to boot?

[BFG]

 

 

@Verbal: I think I was killed specifically because I was onboard with Sooh's suspicions about BFG and AJ. Otherwise, they would have brought me back to lynch me again. The fact that AJ began spouting that very thing the minute the flips were in convinced me in the DT that he was scum and BFG was his partner. He was trying to disarm the suspicion by stating it outright and calling it tinfoil while riding it to D3. Now he is doing anything he can, name-calling, self pity, more railing against the tinfoiling, to get that short term victory that scum rely upon. He only has to last one more round, and he only needs one or two to buy in.

Ok, but then why wouldn't scum!AJ and scum!BFG just pair themselves against Lenlo/Aquilla on D2? AJ's defending of BFG as town and his reasonable consensus as town would have put them in a very solid spot for a D2 win....so why? This is probably the most important explanation of the game, btw.

Because putting BFG inthe bracket beside AJ gives them a guaranteed slot in D3. There is no risk there, and all they have to do is tie at that point. They've both played well so far, so why shouldn't that work? That's why.

I've been lynched twice, how is that playing well

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

 

 

If you didn't think he was a wolf, you should have just said that you were both town, but we should vote for you over him because reasons. It's been obvious since BFG subbed back in and AJ immediately began painting a conspiracy that he was in fact describing his/BFG's own strategy, but one of them was going to win D2 anyway, and we have AJ and 1 town left anyway, so...

Do you think BFG is also scum?

Yes

Why?

Because it makes the most sense for how this has played out, and he hard-defended you almost from the very start. You two are obviously teammates. It you're both town teammates, then Lenlo is brilliant. Do you think Lenlo is a better player than AJ? Than you?

 

@Verbal: I think I was killed specifically because I was onboard with Sooh's suspicions about BFG and AJ. Otherwise, they would have brought me back to lynch me again. The fact that AJ began spouting that very thing the minute the flips were in convinced me in the DT that he was scum and BFG was his partner. He was trying to disarm the suspicion by stating it outright and calling it tinfoil while riding it to D3. Now he is doing anything he can, name-calling, self pity, more railing against the tinfoiling, to get that short term victory that scum rely upon. He only has to last one more round, and he only needs one or two to buy in.

The only thing you say about AJ is that he 'could' do this. You don't give any reasons why were scum individually or even why were teamed beyond we 'could' be. So your case relies on speculation of what scum may do

 

Town you has more depth than that

 

Where do I say "could?" I have consistently said that he "did" do this and is continuing to do this. This is what has worked for you thus far, and with one more vote and a no-show, you win.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

@Verbal: I think I was killed specifically because I was onboard with Sooh's suspicions about BFG and AJ. Otherwise, they would have brought me back to lynch me again. The fact that AJ began spouting that very thing the minute the flips were in convinced me in the DT that he was scum and BFG was his partner. He was trying to disarm the suspicion by stating it outright and calling it tinfoil while riding it to D3. Now he is doing anything he can, name-calling, self pity, more railing against the tinfoiling, to get that short term victory that scum rely upon. He only has to last one more round, and he only needs one or two to buy in.

Ok, but then why wouldn't scum!AJ and scum!BFG just pair themselves against Lenlo/Aquilla on D2? AJ's defending of BFG as town and his reasonable consensus as town would have put them in a very solid spot for a D2 win....so why? This is probably the most important explanation of the game, btw.

Because putting BFG inthe bracket beside AJ gives them a guaranteed slot in D3. There is no risk there, and all they have to do is tie at that point. They've both played well so far, so why shouldn't that work? That's why.

I've been lynched twice, how is that playing well

 

*Points to AJ in the final bracket* 

Don't be disingenuous. It doesn't become you.

[BFG]

Your entire argument is speculation about what mafia 'could' do