[Game Thread] Aspiring Tennis Enthusiasts, GRATS MAFIA

[Andrej]

There really aren't totals as far as parity goes. Barring the scum team killing their symp, starting D2 the numbers will always be 4 town and 3 scum.

 

Scum cannot win unless they win both of the D2 matches and both slots for the Final round are filled by them.

Town cannot win unless the scum are voted out of the tournament completely.

 

So losing your match doesn't make you "dead". The only people who die will be N1, if there even is one, and those will be two winners from today and one of the loser that the Mafia pick. That's all. Everyone keeps playing and voting until the game is over, but not everyone is in the tournament.

 

*deepbreath*

[Lenlo]

There really aren't totals as far as parity goes. Barring the scum team killing their symp, starting D2 the numbers will always be 4 town and 3 scum.

 

Scum cannot win unless they win both of the D2 matches and both slots for the Final round are filled by them.

Town cannot win unless the scum are voted out of the tournament completely.

 

So losing your match doesn't make you "dead". The only people who die will be N1, if there even is one, and those will be two winners from today and one of the loser that the Mafia pick. That's all. Everyone keeps playing and voting until the game is over, but not everyone is in the tournament.

 

*deepbreath*

What? If the final round is wolf vs town, dont we have a final vote, and THAT determines the winner?

[Andrej]

Yes, sorry. D2 is the earliest the scum can win, I should’ve said. But it’s not a majority thing like it typically is. If the game makes it to D3 then yes, there is a final with where one player is for sure scum with 5 players still alive to discuss and vote.

[LedZepMan]

Ah. Crap. I forgot we won't see flips for those voted out the tourney.

 

Bens making more sense to me now

[Andrej]

At this point I think I've said about as much as I need to and my votes are placed where I want them.

 

I have no basis on which to read Aquilla but he's contributing at least, and even though I take self-meta with a pinch of salt - if what he says about hating to play scum is true then I would think he'd have less to say, especially with a roster of player they don't know.

 

SK hasn't done anything but promise content and not deliver, he could be busy but he could also be lurking scum. His volume in Suicide Squad was low and eventually tapered off almost completely towards the end. I figured with D1 being over 48 hours he'd have more concrete stuff in the thread.

 

I might buy the idea that LZM is apathetic town but I don't have a ton of confidence on Lenlo either way (sorry Len). I'd like to see LZM answer BFG's question about her read 'leading' when she called him town.

 

Verb maybe town. I think it'll show more one way or another as the game gets deeper since he takes time to ramp up. There's the Verb/Nyn pairing in his favor too, but I can't say with confidence whether he'd go for that sort of fancy play if he were setting the matchups. I'm always voting to advance Nyn here though, sorry bro.

 

Ben I'm unsure about. Some of the content is there, in so much that his town reads are 'correct' but could also just be well worded TMI. Seems to switch back and forth between off-topic, self-deprecation, and then actual game content. I don't know what to make of it. Either way, Sooh is the pony in that race I've got my money on.

 

Still think BFG is town. I don't mind that she's asking questions that may seem random or out of the blue, considering her availability. I'm more interested in how those questions compile into forming reads at a later point, which is the real indicator of her alignment imo.

 

So I guess something like

 

Nyn

Sooh

 

BFG

 

Verb

Lenlo/LZM

Aquilla

Ben

 

SK

 

Not great :-/

 

I'd be a lot happier if I had more solid stuff to read the others off of without having to talk myself into reasons why they could be townies.

[BFG]

AJ, what's changed in your read on Ben?

[Andrej]

It’s never really been solid in the first place. Every time I read his posts I get different impressions. Like I said to you earlier he could be town but I’m not confident at all in that read. If your question is more about the order of that cluster, I could rearrange and recolor it several times over and it would still be the same. It’s not really a pecking order but a group of unknowns.

[Gentled Ben]

There really aren't totals as far as parity goes. Barring the scum team killing their symp, starting D2 the numbers will always be 4 town and 3 scum.

 

Scum cannot win unless they win both of the D2 matches and both slots for the Final round are filled by them.

Town cannot win unless the scum are voted out of the tournament completely.

 

So losing your match doesn't make you "dead". The only people who die will be N1, if there even is one, and those will be two winners from today and one of the loser that the Mafia pick. That's all. Everyone keeps playing and voting until the game is over, but not everyone is in the tournament.

 

*deepbreath*

The tournament takes the place of parity, so it’s the same thing. Out of the tournament in the game is like being dead in most games. Being a stump is fine, but they won’t even be confirmed townies, so we could have scum stumps muddying things up. The best thing we can do is to vote scum out of the tournament, and we don’t do that by intentionally eliminating town nor by not caring if we eliminate town.

[Andrej]

It’s been fact that the scum don’t actually die in this setup. So yes, they will be here to confuse things. I’m not really interested in arguing what “dead” means in this context. If you can post and vote you’re not dead.

[Gentled Ben]

Meh, maybe I'm wrong. Heck if I know what's going on.

 

Let's say you're right Ben, and dead townies don't help. What say you about Verbals willingness to go out?

It seems more like a resignation that Nyn is going to win the brackets, and since he has a town read on her, he sees no point in trying to mislynch her just so that he can hang around. If he was paired with SK, for example, he would probably be fighting to stay alive, but we can’t know that because that’s not the pairing we have.

[Gentled Ben]

It’s been fact that the scum don’t actually die in this setup. So yes, they will be here to confuse things. I’m not really interested in arguing what “dead” means in this context. If you can post and vote you’re not dead.

And if you aren’t in the tournament, you are one less townie for scum to eliminate. The way to victory for town is to eliminate scum from the tournament. Town doesn’t do that by not caring if they’re lynched because they can still post and vote afterwards, but encouraging a “So what? I’m not really dead because I can still vote” attitude is exactly what scum will do/are doing. The only team that benefits from that attitude is the scum team. The ONLY team.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

 

 

AJ and Sooh... thoughts on Ben?

Getting back to this. I did a quick skim of his ISO from Suicide Squad and Tainted Minds, and I’m still undecided. He did the “I suck as town” thing in SS as the IC so meh. It wasn’t to this extent though. I need a bigger sample and there’s not a ton of stuff for him to react to this game so far. The reads on me and Sooh are about it plus his list where he had Lenlo as an town read as well. I’d like to hear about that.

Lenlo seemed solvy, and he still does. The "let's lynch active, obvious townies" strategy that he and Sooh entertained worried me some, but I still have a slight town feel on him, and in his pairing, he seems more town than LZM, who is more detached and cautious than he has seemed to me in his other town games, so I have a slight scum read on LZM. My vote in that bracket stays.

I feel the need to once again reiterate, people are not being lynched. They are being knocked out of a tournament. Town cannot kill anyone, so losing a group isnt that big a deal nor necessarily a bad thing.

Not everyone comes back to continue playing, and dead townies who are hanging around do not count toward town totals, so lynching is as big a deal as it is in any game, and it feels scummy to be nonchalant about it. I would not be surprised if you and LZM are both wolves.

They dont die! Yes, they dont count towards total, but they still have a vote. Thats what your not getting. If I or LZM are voted out, we still get a vote in the next round. The idea was to vote out High volume/vocal town so they would be protected, because Wolves can kill 2 winners and 1 loser. If you paid attention though you would see me and Sooh talked it out and decided it was still a net negative.

 

Your calling me a wolf for an idea that was already discussed and dismissed dude.

No, I’m calling you a wolf because even after that bad idea was rightfully discarded, you are still pushing the narrative that eliminating townies doesn’t matter, and you’re getting agitated because I insist that it does.

[Andrej]

Fair point about scum needing to knock as many townies out of the bracket. But even so, who is left casting the votes? The townies who aren’t still in the bracket. Scum can’t win without those votes going in their favor, so no, if players are town and knocked out they still have important jobs to seal the win.

 

Also - if you think that attitude is being used or pushed by scum, how does that reconcile what you just said about Verb?

[Gentled Ben]

Verb wasn’t pushing the idea of intentionally eliminating town, nor was he pushing the idea that it doesn’t matter if townies are eliminated bated, nor was he arguing against people who insist that eliminating townies is undesirable. As I understood it, he was simply saying that if we’d rather have Nynaeve in the game, he understands and would be satisfied to work as a stump.

 

Verbal might be scum. I don’t think he is, but I’m not going to vote Nynaeve just because I’m not certain that Verbal isn’t scum.

[Gentled Ben]

Don’t know why “bated” got stuck in there

[BFG]

It’s never really been solid in the first place. Every time I read his posts I get different impressions. Like I said to you earlier he could be town but I’m not confident at all in that read. If your question is more about the order of that cluster, I could rearrange and recolor it several times over and it would still be the same. It’s not really a pecking order but a group of unknowns.

Ok

 

The votes are because wagons at this stage, not great but it's that or 'no vote' until I have chance to iso

[BFG]

Aquilla/SK you around?

[Andrej]

Verb wasn’t pushing the idea of intentionally eliminating town, nor was he pushing the idea that it doesn’t matter if townies are eliminated bated, nor was he arguing against people who insist that eliminating townies is undesirable. As I understood it, he was simply saying that if we’d rather have Nynaeve in the game, he understands and would be satisfied to work as a stump.

 

Verbal might be scum. I don’t think he is, but I’m not going to vote Nynaeve just because I’m not certain that Verbal isn’t scum.

More of this and less of the emo and you’ll be alright.

[Andrej]

 

It’s never really been solid in the first place. Every time I read his posts I get different impressions. Like I said to you earlier he could be town but I’m not confident at all in that read. If your question is more about the order of that cluster, I could rearrange and recolor it several times over and it would still be the same. It’s not really a pecking order but a group of unknowns.

Ok

 

The votes are because wagons at this stage, not great but it's that or 'no vote' until I have chance to iso

Wagons as in ?

 

Why Aquilla over SK for instance. What’s your read on LZM now or are you voting Lenlo cause you are suspicious of him?

[Andrej]

Also Ben, to clear the air a little, I wasn’t trying to say it doesn’t matter if townies get eliminated. Obviously we want to advance as many as possible but that is impossible for all given this build. A minimum of two matches right now have scum in them, which leaves max three t/t matches where someone is gonna get knocked out no matter what.

 

I’ve been stressing the importance of those left over townies who are gonna be the crowd because they are still going to have deciding votes.

[BFG]

Wagons as in wagons. Voting Aquilla ties the vote with SK

 

[v]Unvote Lenlo[/v]

[BFG]

Sorry if I'm coming across as weird this game :/

[BFG]

Anyway at work, with trainees again today so won't be around much till later

[BFG]

Ben I'd appreciate if you could explain how you think I normally scum hunt

[Andrej]

Wagons as in wagons. Voting Aquilla ties the vote with SK

 

[v]Unvote Lenlo[/v]

Ok

 

Y tho