Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

Sooh · July 14, 2017

My big issue is that he literally can't read me at all. I get Bop being confusing because I can't read Bop (and if he wasn't my partner I would be very confused about him), but it feels like he's grasping at anything to try to convict me which doesn't read villager to me. It reads vindictive and narrative pushing. Normally I can see a reason for someone misreading me this hard, but I'm not finding any logic in his witch hunt.

@Sooh how is that support group coming??

FWIW

Im a huge Meta player. if I had Meta I thought was similar id either be calling you Town or calling for your head, and believe me and ask those who know me, you may think Im tunneling you, which I am but this is NOT A ZANDERTUNNEL

lol

Zander, ily. You have no idea how you are perceived, do you?

bopolis · July 14, 2017

also two reason why im moving fred up highe rin my reads.

1) he has no concept of how large a scum team would be in a 12 player game.

2) he remembered that scruff derptelled earlier when i asked abotu thoughts on cuth's derptell and that showed me he is reading/paying attention. Not neccessarily lock villagery but something i just like to see and give credit for because its my list and ill do what i want

Cory Caboose · July 14, 2017

have to run an errand will be back in an hour or so

Zander? · July 14, 2017

My big issue is that he literally can't read me at all. I get Bop being confusing because I can't read Bop (and if he wasn't my partner I would be very confused about him), but it feels like he's grasping at anything to try to convict me which doesn't read villager to me. It reads vindictive and narrative pushing. Normally I can see a reason for someone misreading me this hard, but I'm not finding any logic in his witch hunt.

@Sooh how is that support group coming??

Top tip on Z:

Breathe.

Focus on forming your own reads.

Get amazing at sarcasm.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Ironeyes · July 14, 2017

BUT IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT SPADES IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!
WHAT AM I ADDRESSING????

Shade attempt noted.

Ive given reads with reasoning, im answering everything Ive seen addressed to me exceot for Fred I guess but I will.

OMGUS is par for the course

Im not even tunneling on you anymore so theres that?

Paranoia is my middle name.

Anything else youd like to be wrong about irt me or is this good?

It's not a shade attempt, first of all. Pointing out things that ping you isn't an attack.
Your actions seem only focused on yourself, not on any of the other going-ons of the thread. Cory helped explain you so it doesn't really ping me as negatively as it normally would. Same with OMGUS, I generally see that as being bad. Your read on Eldrick wasn't really clear to me, you pointed out one thing he did and said that isn't what TownEld does, but to an outside perspective it looked like you were throwing a fit for not being town read by him. As everyone is saying, you take it very personally when someone is on your back, you can't look past it and you know in your heart you are right so those doubting you must be wrong. I think there is a lot of logic behind all the concerns I had for you and if you look closely and try to think of it from a perspective outside of yourself, it might make sense as to why you seem fishy.

I'm not calling you wrong about anything but your read on me. If you can turn around and say someone is wrong for reading you as scum when you're not, I sure as heck should be allowed to view your attempts to pull dirt on me as pointless knowing that I am town.

You only stopped tunneling once someone else was brought into the picture questioning you. These are all things that stand out to me.

I always feel like no matter what I say or how I say it, it's never enough for you Zander. Which really sucks.

I am not set and locked in on you at all and I'm not going to stop asking questions about your actions just because everyone else says it's okay.

ok, lets move forward not behind,

lets ask each other stuff going forward and ill try to read you fresh

sound fair!?!?!?!

<3 <3 <3

Zander just became a town lean. He doesn't back down as scum, he doubles down.

Zander? · July 14, 2017

My big issue is that he literally can't read me at all. I get Bop being confusing because I can't read Bop (and if he wasn't my partner I would be very confused about him), but it feels like he's grasping at anything to try to convict me which doesn't read villager to me. It reads vindictive and narrative pushing. Normally I can see a reason for someone misreading me this hard, but I'm not finding any logic in his witch hunt.

@Sooh how is that support group coming??

FWIW

Im a huge Meta player. if I had Meta I thought was similar id either be calling you Town or calling for your head, and believe me and ask those who know me, you may think Im tunneling you, which I am but this is NOT A ZANDERTUNNEL

lol

Zander, ily. You have no idea how you are perceived, do you?

i do

nd its mostly bs but im still awesome and have a majestic beard so its ok!!!!

a ZanderTunel

Lenlo in Matrix

Tayla in Bellicheat

Lenbot in WoW

Kat ins BFG's game with the mutli Night QT's

Yates/Sill in SW

Nolder in some game where he self voted.

1ST 3 WERE WHEELS ON THE BUS

2ND 2 WERE Z!TOWN ON SCUM

NOLDER WAS V/V

Everything else were just ref tunnels....l

1st 2 were b

Clovdyx · July 14, 2017

also two reason why im moving fred up highe rin my reads.

1) he has no concept of how large a scum team would be in a 12 player game.

2) he remembered that scruff derptelled earlier when i asked abotu thoughts on cuth's derptell and that showed me he is reading/paying attention. Not neccessarily lock villagery but something i just like to see and give credit for because its my list and ill do what i want

I hadn't considered the bold earlier, but I do kind of like that.

Spadeszee · July 14, 2017

Spades what do you think of Fredwood, Darthe, Marsh?

Sorry if making you repeat yourself but juggling 10 things lol

Fredwood is going to either be a wolf hiding behind a lot of words, or a town who likes to write a lot (I am not calling this a bad thing, I'm a paragraph kinda-girl myself). I got a feel last night through my tired haze that he kinda fluffs up his posts to sound more impressive/meaningful than they really are. Why use 20 words when you can just use 5? I know it was probably really mindnumbing to read all that he read, but he makes points without the whole picture. Or at least he did in regards to me. That stood out to me and we had a little miscommunication that I'm not going to hold against him but I am going to try to keep in mind while reading him.

Darthe is pretty low on my Null list. I think I might re-read Peg+cat and try to see if I can draw any similarities since I don't think he's going to be getting voted tonight. All I can say is he's not standing out to me and I feel like he should be. I get bad feelings and like he has some motive behind his words and posts. I say this but I don't think I could even pull up an example, it's just a gut feeling I have. It could be turn over from him tricking us last game or something, but I don't like his content right now.

Iron is in a weird place for me, he's in my Null pile but higher than Darthe... Would probably put him lower than Fred, though. He seems kind of overwhelmed by this game a little and almost disappointed in himself and his performance. This doesn't read as a wolfy thing. I haven't put that much thought into him and I probably should. Regardless nothing he said gave me a bad feeling, my instincts tell me he's okay and just makes himself an easy target. Cuth's attack on him and his response was good imo, it only really makes Cuth look bad.

I'll also add that Cuth is really low on my read list as well, I think he's tied with Darthe. All his posts read disingenuous to me and as if he's just shrugging the game off. I don't like it at all.

And it's okay, I haven't really updated my reads.

Spadeszee · July 14, 2017

BUT IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT SPADES IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!

WHAT AM I ADDRESSING????

Shade attempt noted.

Ive given reads with reasoning, im answering everything Ive seen addressed to me exceot for Fred I guess but I will.

OMGUS is par for the course

Im not even tunneling on you anymore so theres that?

Paranoia is my middle name.

Anything else youd like to be wrong about irt me or is this good?

It's not a shade attempt, first of all. Pointing out things that ping you isn't an attack.

Your actions seem only focused on yourself, not on any of the other going-ons of the thread. Cory helped explain you so it doesn't really ping me as negatively as it normally would. Same with OMGUS, I generally see that as being bad. Your read on Eldrick wasn't really clear to me, you pointed out one thing he did and said that isn't what TownEld does, but to an outside perspective it looked like you were throwing a fit for not being town read by him. As everyone is saying, you take it very personally when someone is on your back, you can't look past it and you know in your heart you are right so those doubting you must be wrong. I think there is a lot of logic behind all the concerns I had for you and if you look closely and try to think of it from a perspective outside of yourself, it might make sense as to why you seem fishy.

I'm not calling you wrong about anything but your read on me. If you can turn around and say someone is wrong for reading you as scum when you're not, I sure as heck should be allowed to view your attempts to pull dirt on me as pointless knowing that I am town.

You only stopped tunneling once someone else was brought into the picture questioning you. These are all things that stand out to me.

I always feel like no matter what I say or how I say it, it's never enough for you Zander. Which really sucks.

I am not set and locked in on you at all and I'm not going to stop asking questions about your actions just because everyone else says it's okay.

ok, lets move forward not behind,

lets ask each other stuff going forward and ill try to read you fresh

sound fair!?!?!?!

<3 <3 <3

Sounds good

Does this mean we can have pizza now and figure this out together?

Zander? · July 14, 2017

yes you wanna lunch eldrick??!?!?!!

Cory Caboose · July 14, 2017

I like that a lot

That is pretty much how I feel about all of those people :D

Cory Caboose · July 14, 2017

I think we are well on our way to building a village we could all want to live in

Sooh · July 14, 2017

im having a hard time reading zander and part of it is me not wanting to be spiteful due to the tunnel.

I agree with everything clov said, adn i think i expressed it at the time(ie the focus on penny making no sense). I feel like he saw me call him wolf and since then he's been locked in this thunderdome and even though he hasnt pursued it as hard he keeps making sarcastic comments about how you could read me/spades as town and condescending comments to spades that just shows no reconsidering the idea. I asked the otherday if he gets ultra defensive when called a wolf ebcause usually i would expect either a jokey quip(ie a you got me breaking bad gif or something similar) or maybe even a wolf read because he sometimes people find using the rand wolf sub out line as wolfy or a easy way to cast suspicion and i would have understood that. But the full on thunderdome was unexpected.

Also a couple selfish things where he liked clov for his read on eldrick early on but several posts earlier i gave the same read and nothing.

I find the you don't read me villa, you are a wolf line a bit odd as well(the line he's taken with eldrick) especially since a reason he was villa reading clov was the eldrick read which i assume he somewhat agreed with since he also had eldrick as a villa earlier as well.

*for sooh/cory other MUers* i'm kinda reading the cory/zander dynamic as similar to the banks/JP dynamic that exists in their games. That is regardless of alignment JP is always buddying with banks and nowt pushing him or evaluating early and based on what i know of zander/cory through seeing them interact on MUdiscord(zander shouting out to cory the few times i've seen him pop in etc) and hearing cory talk abotu zander outside of game they are buddies and zander seems like someone who gravitates and allies with his buddies in games(purely my opinion).

Spades has been concerned with zander buddying right up to cody and i've been assuming thats a normal thing for him, if that isn't a normal thing please let me know.

so im at this point and im kinda tired and in a fugue and completely dont know where i was going. So if i derailed or my point got muddled in here sorry. this is where im at on zander

If this slot wasn't town before, this is very towny imo.

#raisins?!?!?!

It shows how he's approaching the situation and what's the basis for his read.

Do you see yourself as someone who is easily read the first time people come across you? This read and analysis of you/Cory dynamic is good imo.

Sooh, who should I be viciously murdering today?

If you have a hero shot, take it. I trust your instincts.

Otherwise I'm not opposed to FleeingScoobsward or Scruff atm, if nothing else than to clear tomorrow up from low/nocontent posters discussion again.

I believe if Cuth/Iron/Fred are villagers, they'll be able to show us. Possibly also Scoobs, but he seems to have no interest to atm. Maybe it's the D1 thing, but I'm still a tad disappointed.

Fleeing Coward · July 14, 2017

Bop, Cory, Cuth town

Eldrick, Fred scum

That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.

I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

Can you explain the bold? I really don't get how Cuth would be a strongish read for anyone (in EITHER direction), and both Fred and Eldrick have looked good to me.

Cuth as scum would have pushed me hard by now with what I've posted so far since he knows he can get away with it, that why I've got him as a solid town read.

Eldrick I feel is asking more questions than actually trying to solve.

Fred is pretty much purely gut since I don't know how he usually plays either. His posts just feels off to me but I can't quite put into words what it is that's bugging me.

Sooh · July 14, 2017

Bop, Cory, Cuth town

Eldrick, Fred scum

That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.

I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

Can you stick around a bit before EOD?

Talk to us? Make some comments if not reads?

Sooh · July 14, 2017

Hey Cory/Chris and possibly others. How do you feel about Eldrick atm?

Clovdyx · July 14, 2017

Bop, Cory, Cuth town

Eldrick, Fred scum

That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.

I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

Can you explain the bold? I really don't get how Cuth would be a strongish read for anyone (in EITHER direction), and both Fred and Eldrick have looked good to me.

Cuth as scum would have pushed me hard by now with what I've posted so far since he knows he can get away with it, that why I've got him as a solid town read.

Eldrick I feel is asking more questions than actually trying to solve.

Fred is pretty much purely gut since I don't know how he usually plays either. His posts just feels off to me but I can't quite put into words what it is that's bugging me.

Can you go elaborate a little bit more on what you think Eldrick OUGHT to be doing but isn't? I think questioning is directly tied to solving, myself - especially when directed at/about quieter players.

Fleeing Coward · July 14, 2017

Bop, Cory, Cuth town

Eldrick, Fred scum

That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.

I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

Can you stick around a bit before EOD?

Talk to us? Make some comments if not reads?

I'll be semi around for the next few hours

bopolis · July 14, 2017

Hey Cory/Chris and possibly others. How do you feel about Eldrick atm?

villagy

Spadeszee · July 14, 2017

yes you wanna lunch eldrick??!?!?!!

While I feel like he's kinda gliding along in this game, I don't feel anywhere close to confident he is a wolf.

Can you try to expand your thoughts on this? I know you mentioned a meta response that pinged you as wolfie, please elaborate.

I have felt like he's been shadowing me a little, and obviously followed Linz vote, but this still doesn't scream wolf to me. (I think I remember him doing this last match)

Clovdyx · July 14, 2017

Hey Cory/Chris and possibly others. How do you feel about Eldrick atm?

He's weaker than my other strong reads, but I like him quite a bit. He's came across as very natural/genuine to me.

Sooh · July 14, 2017

Hey Cory/Chris and possibly others. How do you feel about Eldrick atm?

He's weaker than my other strong reads, but I like him quite a bit. He's came across as very natural/genuine to me.

I specifically disliked him sussing Zander for a while, but not committing to a vote until Linz put one on him. What's your take?

Zander? · July 15, 2017

I like that a lot

That is pretty much how I feel about all of those people :D

like what?!!?!?

wutido!??!!?

or it wasnt me prolly....lolololl

Fleeing Coward · July 15, 2017

Bop, Cory, Cuth town

Eldrick, Fred scum

That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.

I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

Can you explain the bold? I really don't get how Cuth would be a strongish read for anyone (in EITHER direction), and both Fred and Eldrick have looked good to me.

Cuth as scum would have pushed me hard by now with what I've posted so far since he knows he can get away with it, that why I've got him as a solid town read.

Eldrick I feel is asking more questions than actually trying to solve.

Fred is pretty much purely gut since I don't know how he usually plays either. His posts just feels off to me but I can't quite put into words what it is that's bugging me.

Can you go elaborate a little bit more on what you think Eldrick OUGHT to be doing but isn't? I think questioning is directly tied to solving, myself - especially when directed at/about quieter players.

He seems to be around just for the sake of been around while asking alot of questions which wolves can easily do.

He apparently voted for me because he claims that I admitted to been a wolf but he switched off not long after. Don't understand why he would switch off me so quickly if he truly thought I was a wolf.

Fleeing Coward · July 15, 2017

Basically, I feel that for someone that's posted as much as he has, I was expecting more of an impression than the one that he left me.

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