Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[MrsClov]

Linz

 

ILY 

 

I understand why you got to your read and I imagine in your shoes I would probably would think the same thing

 

But Zander's a villager in like 99 out of 100 worlds

Why? Because of Meta?  He's going to fool you with that one of these days, you know that, right?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Well, I'm back from my Zander ISO. Holy what did I just read, batman?

 

Here's what I've come away with. Zander originally sussed SpadesBop because of Spades interaction with Sooh. He said it felt awkward, and later went to say he thought they could be w/w together. When I read through the interactions between Zander/Bop it felt like  Zander wasn't the one who subbed in for Penny. Like his questions were about Penny's meta and read like he was trying to figure out that slot (which is his own, mind you) not Bop's or anyone else's.  The questions he asked were as follows:

 

 

How many games have you played with Penny?

 

Has she ever subbed as Scum before?  As Town?  Is one more prevalent?

 

You don't think its possible she outted before role pm's were out or she couldn't have outted as Town?

 

Do you know she doesn't like playing as Scum at all?

 

So you generally assume anyone subbing out is Scummy?

 

Does Penneh sub out as Town?

 

The entire ISO I never got the feeling he was trying to figure anyone out. He never gave reasons for his reads, and infact I'm really bothered by him having Cordyx as town. I have them as probably town (for now), but I also have reasons associated. To me, Zander reads to me like he came in to the game and was going to town read Cordyx. In fact here's one post that really bothered me related to this.

 

 

 

Pretend for a sec you knew for certain Cordyx, me and ofc no pretending but Linz are all Town.

 

He's had Eldrick as a high town read all phase, so why all of the sudden is he voting him? Especially when at one point in time he said that 1 of Darth, Sooh, or SpadesBop was scum and called Ironeyes wolfy 3 times? Zander asked several times what other people thought of HIM, but very little of asking about other people or trying to figure out their slots. 

 

All in all I'm not convinced that Zander is trying to solve the game.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Zander[/v]

This is spicy.

 

 

Didnt you just call me a Vilager or am I missing something?!?!?!

 

Spicy doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it, boo.

 

 

True just find spicy to be a weird choice of words but then again, i do say ABOOT and EH a lot!!!

 

lolololololol

[MrsClov]

 

 

Up to page 15, starting to see the discussion about subbing. Thought I'd post my impressions before diving down the rabbit hole

 

 

 

Def liking Spades content-wise so far, although she has an unfortunate tendency to misinterpret my posts. It's ok, we'll get used to each other. Bop I like somewhat less, but that hydra is overall feeling town to me.

Derf gonna derf. Why that guy consistently feels the need to drop a cryptic, discussion inducing comment and the peace out is beyond me.

I hope and pray that Cordyx is (are? grammar is hard) town. Not only are they good players, but if they're town I can confidently sheep Clov's read on Edrick. I'm not very good at reading him myself, as history shows.

Mrs. Clov, thank you for being a wonderful, active, engaged, mod-confirmed town. Def not brown nosing lol

 

 

Cory quoted this post. I haven't read the context of it, but I would like to point out that this reads almost like TMI.

 

Parphrase: I've read up to THE discussion about subs, but that's going to be a long and complicated one to read which I know for ??? reasons, so I'll just post what I'm thinking before that.

 

 

Am I reading too much into it?

 

Ironeyes, perhaps you can explain why you would call something you haven't read yet a rabbit hole?

Easy. I'd just been informed by, I think it was Spades, that the discussion in question formed most of the thread up to that point, and that it involved Zander. Both of those details were what led me to call it a rabbit hole

 

It was me.

[Zander?]

 

 

Honestly, now it's really not looking good for Zander in my eyes.

 

He seems to only be focusing on posts about him and specifically those questioning his alignment.

 

I know my first game I was super paranoid and only really focused on posts about me and was really worried about my look in others eyes but quickly realized that if I'm not guilty for what I'm being charged for there is no point in lingering on it. Not everyone is going to like your content. 

 

Everyone is saying it's normal for Zander to OMGus (right spelling?), but it just looks so bad to me.

 

Free passes for not trying to game solve getting hung up on speculation, hyper focusing, voting those who appose him, responding to things against/about him.

 

He was telling me that I didn't have any original thought and was just going along with what others were saying. Why is everyone just going along with his "meta" that seems so easy to follow and replicate? 

 

His check list seems to be: Tunnel on something. Don't move targets. Vote when someone calls you out.

 

I just don't see him actually solving and it's really starting to worry the heck out of me.

 

Shade attempt noted.

 

Ive given reads with reasoning, im answering everything Ive seen addressed to me exceot for Fred I guess but I will.

 

OMGUS is par for the course

 

Im not even tunneling on you anymore so theres that?

 

Paranoia is my middle name.

 

Anything else youd like to be wrong about irt me or is this good?

 

xD Tables have turned?

 

 

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

 

 

This is the specific question I had for you

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eldrick name the reasons you think Im pushing Sbop

All I can see is that you pursued asking him if he knew if penny subbed out as scum. But because this has no bearing on the game being she subbed out before the game started, I don't understand the reason for this.

 

You said there was something else about his posts you didn't like, but I'm blanking on what it was. I actually wanted to ask you for example of it.

For someone who claims to be trying to figure me out, this shows the fact youre not man.

 

Youve like at least 3-4 posts saying im not reading Zander Town, Zander you need to show me youre Town and Im not getting what youre saying/pushing yet Ive got like prolly at least 20 posts explaining why I sussed for the original reason. multiple posts explaining other issues ive had with them and youre still like I cant figure out you out Zander....this is why I cant read you Town.

 

ISO me and look if youre a Villager man.

Already said I'm not gonna ISO you. I never do. You say too much.

 

People likely never ISO me either :P

 

If you're a villager you can answer my questions directly so I can understand you. If you're scum, you can just ignore me and let my suspicion stay.

[v] Eld [/v]

 

This is such a cop out post.

 

Town!Eld dont speak in absolutes like this....only Sith do

 

 

Zander can you explain why you think it's a cop out, or what you mean by cop out.

 

I'm having trouble here with the correlation between accusing him of copping out and also him speaking in absolutes.

 

Or is the cop out the refusal to ISO you? Which if this is the case why are you voting Eldrick over Iron who also said he doesn't ISO you as a policy.

 

 

 

TFW Zander ignores you and your question directed at him

 

what did

i miss?

Literally all of my content up til this point and my specific question addressed to you about your push on Eldrick

Ive explained my Eld read.

 

I read your analysis on SBop and me. I liked it and agreed with it, i also noted your reads list and I wanted to see how and where you went with it.

 

But since you wnt to know 2 things immediately popped into my head after seeing those 2 things: GOAT!Villager or TMI.

 

Ive got no Meta on you so thats why I kinda wanted to see where you went with it,

 

0 desire to lynch you today.

 

If theres anything else ask again directly please

I did twice, it was more trying to get clarification on the wording you used and why you didn't pounce on Iron for saying something nearly identical.

i answered the cop out part in my response too

 

 

So would you say Iron has trouble reading you?

If he doesn't answer this, I will. The answer is yes

[Zander?]

BUT IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT SPADES IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!

[Spadeszee]

 

 

 

Honestly, now it's really not looking good for Zander in my eyes.

 

He seems to only be focusing on posts about him and specifically those questioning his alignment.

 

I know my first game I was super paranoid and only really focused on posts about me and was really worried about my look in others eyes but quickly realized that if I'm not guilty for what I'm being charged for there is no point in lingering on it. Not everyone is going to like your content. 

 

Everyone is saying it's normal for Zander to OMGus (right spelling?), but it just looks so bad to me.

 

Free passes for not trying to game solve getting hung up on speculation, hyper focusing, voting those who appose him, responding to things against/about him.

 

He was telling me that I didn't have any original thought and was just going along with what others were saying. Why is everyone just going along with his "meta" that seems so easy to follow and replicate? 

 

His check list seems to be: Tunnel on something. Don't move targets. Vote when someone calls you out.

 

I just don't see him actually solving and it's really starting to worry the heck out of me.

 

Shade attempt noted.

 

Ive given reads with reasoning, im answering everything Ive seen addressed to me exceot for Fred I guess but I will.

 

OMGUS is par for the course

 

Im not even tunneling on you anymore so theres that?

 

Paranoia is my middle name.

 

Anything else youd like to be wrong about irt me or is this good?

 

xD Tables have turned?

 

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

Zander is a bulldog who can see ghosts and chase his tail in circles, but what he always forgets to emulate as a wolf is his internal emotional consistency. As a wolf he's determined to fulfill his role and will make pushes, argue points and try to keep his post count high. He's an extrovert above all else and does not pay much attention to his internal process, just the sheer instinct of what he does.

 

Everything he's done this game is in line with that instinct, as much as some of you might not like that. His miscommunication with bop was of that exact degree. His problem with Eldrick (which is dismissive of the fact that Eldrick isn't psychic and could simply just be a villager who got it wrong, as villagers do all the time) - all just patented Zander trying to find something to attack and attack.

 

What he doesn't do as a wolf is the sad puppy routine after getting dismissed for his read, the discouragement, the nose in the dirt drag when people tell him he's wrong. As a wolf he meets resistance by continuing to push; as a villager he cares, especially internally, to how he's being perceived and the effect he has on the thread state. It literally drips throughout his posts. It's something he's legitimately barely conscious of; he rarely ever sits and thinks, he just does.

[Cory Caboose]

 

Linz

 

ILY 

 

I understand why you got to your read and I imagine in your shoes I would probably would think the same thing

 

But Zander's a villager in like 99 out of 100 worlds

Why? Because of Meta?  He's going to fool you with that one of these days, you know that, right?

 

 

Maybe, it's not this game, and that's what matters.

[Zander?]

 

That doesnt quite feel fair. It did die, but nothing really replaced it because there wasnt a good reason for it to be replaced. This is a function of scruff being quiet and not of someone else warranting significant votes, which is a problem cause that train did have validity.

2 things, one is that Scruff and Coward are in the same boat. The big difference is that Coward knows people here and is choosing not to post. Scruff is such an easy kill, such and easy vote.

Other thing is Zander is currently getting heat so it seems like we have 3 possibilities right now to get lynched- Scruff, Coward or Zander.

 

Of course this can change.

 

That is your biggest reason for pushing a Scruff vote over a Coward vote?

 

 

Im not getting mislynched today,

[Ironeyes]

Fred broke the page

[Zander?]

Spades what's your read on me ATM

 

Sexy AF imo

 

 

 

 

im having a hard time reading zander and part of it is me not wanting to be spiteful due to the tunnel. 

 

I agree with everything clov said, adn i think i expressed it at the time(ie the focus on penny making no sense). I feel like he saw me call him wolf and since then he's been locked in this thunderdome and even though he hasnt pursued it as hard he keeps making sarcastic comments about how you could read me/spades as town and condescending comments to spades that just shows no reconsidering the idea. I asked the otherday if he gets ultra defensive when called a wolf ebcause usually i would expect either a jokey quip(ie a you got me breaking bad gif or something similar) or maybe even a wolf read because he sometimes people find using the rand wolf sub out line as wolfy or a easy way to cast suspicion and i would have understood that. But the full on thunderdome was unexpected.

 

Also a couple selfish things where he liked clov for his read on eldrick early on but several posts earlier i gave the same read and nothing. 

 

I find the you don't read me villa, you are a wolf line a bit odd as well(the line he's taken with eldrick) especially since a reason he was villa reading clov was the eldrick read which i assume he somewhat agreed with since he also had eldrick as a villa earlier as well.

 

*for sooh/cory other MUers* i'm kinda reading the cory/zander dynamic as similar to the banks/JP dynamic that exists in their games. That is regardless of alignment JP is always buddying with banks and nowt pushing him or evaluating early and based on what i know of zander/cory through seeing them interact on MUdiscord(zander shouting out to cory the few times i've seen him pop in etc) and hearing cory talk abotu zander outside of game they are buddies and zander seems like someone who gravitates and allies with his buddies in games(purely my opinion). 

 

Spades has been concerned with zander buddying right up to cody and i've been assuming thats a normal thing for him, if that isn't a normal thing please let me know.

 

 

 

so im at this point and im kinda tired and in a fugue and completely dont know where i was going. So if i derailed or my point got muddled in here sorry. this is where im at on zander

If this slot wasn't town before, this is very towny imo.

 

 

#raisins?!?!?!

 

 

This is the specific question I had for you

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eldrick name the reasons you think Im pushing Sbop

All I can see is that you pursued asking him if he knew if penny subbed out as scum. But because this has no bearing on the game being she subbed out before the game started, I don't understand the reason for this.

 

You said there was something else about his posts you didn't like, but I'm blanking on what it was. I actually wanted to ask you for example of it.

For someone who claims to be trying to figure me out, this shows the fact youre not man.

 

Youve like at least 3-4 posts saying im not reading Zander Town, Zander you need to show me youre Town and Im not getting what youre saying/pushing yet Ive got like prolly at least 20 posts explaining why I sussed for the original reason. multiple posts explaining other issues ive had with them and youre still like I cant figure out you out Zander....this is why I cant read you Town.

 

ISO me and look if youre a Villager man.

Already said I'm not gonna ISO you. I never do. You say too much.

 

People likely never ISO me either :P

 

If you're a villager you can answer my questions directly so I can understand you. If you're scum, you can just ignore me and let my suspicion stay.

 

 

[v] Eld [/v]

 

This is such a cop out post.

 

Town!Eld dont speak in absolutes like this....only Sith do

 

 

 

 

Zander can you explain why you think it's a cop out, or what you mean by cop out.

 

I'm having trouble here with the correlation between accusing him of copping out and also him speaking in absolutes.

 

Or is the cop out the refusal to ISO you? Which if this is the case why are you voting Eldrick over Iron who also said he doesn't ISO you as a policy. 

 

 

you should read the game before saying i didnt answer this imo

 

clov even quoted my response to it.

 

Fair enough, but you should really answer the part about Iron, because it's the more important part of the question, also the answer doesn't really address what the cop out is.  The answer is almost completely irrelevant to the question, which is why I missed it in the first place.

 

 

No I address that too.

 

Quote my post and show me what its missing and ill answer it for you.

[MrsClov]

Zander is a bulldog who can see ghosts and chase his tail in circles, but what he always forgets to emulate as a wolf is his internal emotional consistency. As a wolf he's determined to fulfill his role and will make pushes, argue points and try to keep his post count high. He's an extrovert above all else and does not pay much attention to his internal process, just the sheer instinct of what he does.

 

Everything he's done this game is in line with that instinct, as much as some of you might not like that. His miscommunication with bop was of that exact degree. His problem with Eldrick (which is dismissive of the fact that Eldrick isn't psychic and could simply just be a villager who got it wrong, as villagers do all the time) - all just patented Zander trying to find something to attack and attack.

 

What he doesn't do as a wolf is the sad puppy routine after getting dismissed for his read, the discouragement, the nose in the dirt drag when people tell him he's wrong. As a wolf he meets resistance by continuing to push; as a villager he cares, especially internally, to how he's being perceived and the effect he has on the thread state. It literally drips throughout his posts. It's something he's legitimately barely conscious of; he rarely ever sits and thinks, he just does.

Alright, I'll bite. If it clearly means that much to you. Note, I am not happy about it though. 

 

[unvote]

[MrsClov]

YOUR HOURLY VOTE COUNT:
 
Eldrick(2): Scruffington, Zander
Scruffington(2): Marsh, Fredwood
Marsh(1): Cuth
Fleeing Coward(2): CorDyx, MmmSpades
Zander(2):Eldrick, Darthe
  
A deadline is now set for Friday, July 14th at 11:30pm EST.  With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
 
(votes were reset on replaced people)

Also until Hally gets around to update the player list ...

Aquilla has been replaced by Fleeing Coward
Ted Bundy has been replaced by Fredwood

(do not discuss subs)

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

Up to page 15, starting to see the discussion about subbing. Thought I'd post my impressions before diving down the rabbit hole

 

 

 

Def liking Spades content-wise so far, although she has an unfortunate tendency to misinterpret my posts. It's ok, we'll get used to each other. Bop I like somewhat less, but that hydra is overall feeling town to me.

Derf gonna derf. Why that guy consistently feels the need to drop a cryptic, discussion inducing comment and the peace out is beyond me.

I hope and pray that Cordyx is (are? grammar is hard) town. Not only are they good players, but if they're town I can confidently sheep Clov's read on Edrick. I'm not very good at reading him myself, as history shows.

Mrs. Clov, thank you for being a wonderful, active, engaged, mod-confirmed town. Def not brown nosing lol

 

 

Cory quoted this post. I haven't read the context of it, but I would like to point out that this reads almost like TMI.

 

Parphrase: I've read up to THE discussion about subs, but that's going to be a long and complicated one to read which I know for ??? reasons, so I'll just post what I'm thinking before that.

 

 

Am I reading too much into it?

 

Ironeyes, perhaps you can explain why you would call something you haven't read yet a rabbit hole?

Easy. I'd just been informed by, I think it was Spades, that the discussion in question formed most of the thread up to that point, and that it involved Zander. Both of those details were what led me to call it a rabbit hole

It was me.

Right. TY

[Fredwood]

 

Spades what's your read on me ATM

 

Sexy AF imo

 

 

 

 

im having a hard time reading zander and part of it is me not wanting to be spiteful due to the tunnel. 

 

I agree with everything clov said, adn i think i expressed it at the time(ie the focus on penny making no sense). I feel like he saw me call him wolf and since then he's been locked in this thunderdome and even though he hasnt pursued it as hard he keeps making sarcastic comments about how you could read me/spades as town and condescending comments to spades that just shows no reconsidering the idea. I asked the otherday if he gets ultra defensive when called a wolf ebcause usually i would expect either a jokey quip(ie a you got me breaking bad gif or something similar) or maybe even a wolf read because he sometimes people find using the rand wolf sub out line as wolfy or a easy way to cast suspicion and i would have understood that. But the full on thunderdome was unexpected.

 

Also a couple selfish things where he liked clov for his read on eldrick early on but several posts earlier i gave the same read and nothing. 

 

I find the you don't read me villa, you are a wolf line a bit odd as well(the line he's taken with eldrick) especially since a reason he was villa reading clov was the eldrick read which i assume he somewhat agreed with since he also had eldrick as a villa earlier as well.

 

*for sooh/cory other MUers* i'm kinda reading the cory/zander dynamic as similar to the banks/JP dynamic that exists in their games. That is regardless of alignment JP is always buddying with banks and nowt pushing him or evaluating early and based on what i know of zander/cory through seeing them interact on MUdiscord(zander shouting out to cory the few times i've seen him pop in etc) and hearing cory talk abotu zander outside of game they are buddies and zander seems like someone who gravitates and allies with his buddies in games(purely my opinion). 

 

Spades has been concerned with zander buddying right up to cody and i've been assuming thats a normal thing for him, if that isn't a normal thing please let me know.

 

 

 

so im at this point and im kinda tired and in a fugue and completely dont know where i was going. So if i derailed or my point got muddled in here sorry. this is where im at on zander

If this slot wasn't town before, this is very towny imo.

 

 

#raisins?!?!?!

 

 

This is the specific question I had for you

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eldrick name the reasons you think Im pushing Sbop

All I can see is that you pursued asking him if he knew if penny subbed out as scum. But because this has no bearing on the game being she subbed out before the game started, I don't understand the reason for this.

 

You said there was something else about his posts you didn't like, but I'm blanking on what it was. I actually wanted to ask you for example of it.

For someone who claims to be trying to figure me out, this shows the fact youre not man.

 

Youve like at least 3-4 posts saying im not reading Zander Town, Zander you need to show me youre Town and Im not getting what youre saying/pushing yet Ive got like prolly at least 20 posts explaining why I sussed for the original reason. multiple posts explaining other issues ive had with them and youre still like I cant figure out you out Zander....this is why I cant read you Town.

 

ISO me and look if youre a Villager man.

Already said I'm not gonna ISO you. I never do. You say too much.

 

People likely never ISO me either :P

 

If you're a villager you can answer my questions directly so I can understand you. If you're scum, you can just ignore me and let my suspicion stay.

 

 

[v] Eld [/v]

 

This is such a cop out post.

 

Town!Eld dont speak in absolutes like this....only Sith do

 

 

 

 

Zander can you explain why you think it's a cop out, or what you mean by cop out.

 

I'm having trouble here with the correlation between accusing him of copping out and also him speaking in absolutes.

 

Or is the cop out the refusal to ISO you? Which if this is the case why are you voting Eldrick over Iron who also said he doesn't ISO you as a policy. 

 

 

you should read the game before saying i didnt answer this imo

 

clov even quoted my response to it.

 

Fair enough, but you should really answer the part about Iron, because it's the more important part of the question, also the answer doesn't really address what the cop out is.  The answer is almost completely irrelevant to the question, which is why I missed it in the first place.

 

 

No I address that too.

 

Quote my post and show me what its missing and ill answer it for you.

 

Well Iron pre-empted you and stuff, the quote didn't mention Iron at all, and they both had a non-ISO policy on Zander, I was trying to understand the difference.

[Fredwood]

Holy crap I should have spoilered that.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

This is the specific question I had for you

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eldrick name the reasons you think Im pushing Sbop

All I can see is that you pursued asking him if he knew if penny subbed out as scum. But because this has no bearing on the game being she subbed out before the game started, I don't understand the reason for this.

 

You said there was something else about his posts you didn't like, but I'm blanking on what it was. I actually wanted to ask you for example of it.

For someone who claims to be trying to figure me out, this shows the fact youre not man.

 

Youve like at least 3-4 posts saying im not reading Zander Town, Zander you need to show me youre Town and Im not getting what youre saying/pushing yet Ive got like prolly at least 20 posts explaining why I sussed for the original reason. multiple posts explaining other issues ive had with them and youre still like I cant figure out you out Zander....this is why I cant read you Town.

 

ISO me and look if youre a Villager man.

Already said I'm not gonna ISO you. I never do. You say too much.

 

People likely never ISO me either :P

 

If you're a villager you can answer my questions directly so I can understand you. If you're scum, you can just ignore me and let my suspicion stay.

 

 

[v] Eld [/v]

 

This is such a cop out post.

 

Town!Eld dont speak in absolutes like this....only Sith do

 

 

 

 

Zander can you explain why you think it's a cop out, or what you mean by cop out.

 

I'm having trouble here with the correlation between accusing him of copping out and also him speaking in absolutes.

 

Or is the cop out the refusal to ISO you? Which if this is the case why are you voting Eldrick over Iron who also said he doesn't ISO you as a policy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TFW Zander ignores you and your question directed at him

 

what did

 i miss?

 

Literally all of my content up til this point and my specific question addressed to you about your push on Eldrick

 

 

Ive explained my Eld read.

 

I read your analysis on SBop and me.  I liked it and agreed with it, i also noted your reads list and I wanted to see how and where you went with it.

 

But since you wnt to know 2 things immediately popped into my head after seeing those 2 things: GOAT!Villager or TMI.

 

Ive got no Meta on you so thats why I kinda wanted to see where you went with it,

 

0 desire to lynch you today.

 

If theres anything else ask again directly please

 

I did twice, it was more trying to get clarification on the wording you used and why you didn't pounce on Iron for saying something nearly identical.

 

 

i answered the cop out part in my response too

 

 

 

 

So would you say Iron has trouble reading you?

 

Yes

 

 

Linz

 

ILY 

 

I understand why you got to your read and I imagine in your shoes I would probably would think the same thing

 

But Zander's a villager in like 99 out of 100 worlds

 

100/100 imo

[Cory Caboose]

Linz (IC)

Sooh

Zander

SpadesBop

 
will never touch any of these. these are cory's bluereads. maybe it's cos csarmi is here, but i'm bringing back bluereads. deal with it.
 
Darthe
Eldrick
 
your "deep wolves pile", but very probably just villagers
 
Marsh
Cuth
Ted Bundy -> Fredwood
 
the sortables/poe. all of them think have earned at least the right to get to d2 and see if they can work themselves up the ladder.
 
Scruff
Aquilla -> Coward
 
the quiet heads who have the most awkward / ingenuine material and highest relative wolf equity

[Zander?]

Bop, Cory, Cuth town

Eldrick, Fred scum

That's where I'm at atm.

 

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.

I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

 

Eldrick Scruff Coward w/w/w!!?!?!?!?

[Zander?]

Yep...that did it. I broke stuff.

 

Zander, what is your take on Iron/Marsh's ability to read you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is the specific question I had for you

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eldrick name the reasons you think Im pushing Sbop

All I can see is that you pursued asking him if he knew if penny subbed out as scum. But because this has no bearing on the game being she subbed out before the game started, I don't understand the reason for this.

 

You said there was something else about his posts you didn't like, but I'm blanking on what it was. I actually wanted to ask you for example of it.

For someone who claims to be trying to figure me out, this shows the fact youre not man.

 

Youve like at least 3-4 posts saying im not reading Zander Town, Zander you need to show me youre Town and Im not getting what youre saying/pushing yet Ive got like prolly at least 20 posts explaining why I sussed for the original reason. multiple posts explaining other issues ive had with them and youre still like I cant figure out you out Zander....this is why I cant read you Town.

 

ISO me and look if youre a Villager man.

Already said I'm not gonna ISO you. I never do. You say too much.

 

People likely never ISO me either :P

 

If you're a villager you can answer my questions directly so I can understand you. If you're scum, you can just ignore me and let my suspicion stay.

[v] Eld [/v]

 

This is such a cop out post.

 

Town!Eld dont speak in absolutes like this....only Sith do

 

 

Zander can you explain why you think it's a cop out, or what you mean by cop out.

 

I'm having trouble here with the correlation between accusing him of copping out and also him speaking in absolutes.

 

Or is the cop out the refusal to ISO you? Which if this is the case why are you voting Eldrick over Iron who also said he doesn't ISO you as a policy.

 

 

 

TFW Zander ignores you and your question directed at him

 

what did

i miss?

Literally all of my content up til this point and my specific question addressed to you about your push on Eldrick

Ive explained my Eld read.

 

I read your analysis on SBop and me. I liked it and agreed with it, i also noted your reads list and I wanted to see how and where you went with it.

 

But since you wnt to know 2 things immediately popped into my head after seeing those 2 things: GOAT!Villager or TMI.

 

Ive got no Meta on you so thats why I kinda wanted to see where you went with it,

 

0 desire to lynch you today.

 

If theres anything else ask again directly please

I did twice, it was more trying to get clarification on the wording you used and why you didn't pounce on Iron for saying something nearly identical.

i answered the cop out part in my response too

 

 

So would you say Iron has trouble reading you?

If he doesn't answer this, I will. The answer is yes

 

 

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[Spadeszee]

Zander is a bulldog who can see ghosts and chase his tail in circles, but what he always forgets to emulate as a wolf is his internal emotional consistency. As a wolf he's determined to fulfill his role and will make pushes, argue points and try to keep his post count high. He's an extrovert above all else and does not pay much attention to his internal process, just the sheer instinct of what he does.

 

Everything he's done this game is in line with that instinct, as much as some of you might not like that. His miscommunication with bop was of that exact degree. His problem with Eldrick (which is dismissive of the fact that Eldrick isn't psychic and could simply just be a villager who got it wrong, as villagers do all the time) - all just patented Zander trying to find something to attack and attack.

 

What he doesn't do as a wolf is the sad puppy routine after getting dismissed for his read, the discouragement, the nose in the dirt drag when people tell him he's wrong. As a wolf he meets resistance by continuing to push; as a villager he cares, especially internally, to how he's being perceived and the effect he has on the thread state. It literally drips throughout his posts. It's something he's legitimately barely conscious of; he rarely ever sits and thinks, he just does.

 

This line makes more sense to me than anything else you said above.

 

While I don't like the easy lynch on Scruff/Coward, I really don't like the idea of taking out a passionate villager.

 

My big issue is that he literally can't read me at all. I get Bop being confusing because I can't read Bop (and if he wasn't my partner I would be very confused about him), but it feels like he's grasping at anything to try to convict me which doesn't read villager to me. It reads vindictive and narrative pushing. Normally I can see a reason for someone misreading me this hard, but I'm not finding any logic in his witch hunt.

[Fredwood]

Yeah, so much forum breaking, wasn't sure if it was readable.../shrug

[Cory Caboose]

Coward talk to me about Fredwood. I know very little about his play, I could really use perspective

[Sooh]

Also do we know if today is the day Sooh is starting travel?

I would really like to hear from her after she got basically village read by everyone.

 

 

<3

 

When you lure me with kittehs I'm taking the bait.