Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[MrsClov]

Things that aren't going to happen tonight?

Bingo.

[Ironeyes]

Marsh sorry if I'm making you repeat something but

What's your read on Darthe rn?

Still most likely town. Going back to my standard way of reading him, I don't see him twisting anything or trying to manipulate the thread. 

 

 

 

Don't really like any of Marsh's posts on page 31. Seems very hypersensitive of Darthe's basically "jumping around" vote on him and how he's perceived by Spades moreso than really reading for people's alignments.

 

His read on our slot is a total cop out.

I'm hypersensitive of Darthe because he has a history of being shockingly accurate when reading me. I was concerned that he could start a mislynch singlehandedly.

 

How is my read of you a cop out?

That didn't quite fit though. If you're town you want me to read you, whether I do it right or wrong, because it informs you on me. If I lead a mudslinging on you it looks so bad on me.

Maybe there's a problem with my perspective on the game in general. When I play mafia I tend to see myself as the little guy in a land of giants, trying not to get stepped on. I don't see being scum read as an opportunity to read that person in return; I see it as a threat to my survival. Probably not the healthiest way to play but it's kind of ingrained now. 

 

 

 

Don't really like any of Marsh's posts on page 31. Seems very hypersensitive of Darthe's basically "jumping around" vote on him and how he's perceived by Spades moreso than really reading for people's alignments.

 

His read on our slot is a total cop out.

I'm hypersensitive of Darthe because he has a history of being shockingly accurate when reading me. I was concerned that he could start a mislynch singlehandedly. 

 

How is my read of you a cop out? 

 

 

Ok, fair on the Darthe --> you thing.

I get kind of weirded out on "Cory / Clov seem villagery but who knows bc they would fool us as wolves" because they are generally just sort of a lazy way to village read us without having real reasons to. Has that read changed at all over the past ~30 pages?

I know that wasn't a very strong read, but it's solidified as I watched you both work toward solving the game. I think my town lean on you is more justified now. 

[Clovdyx]

 

I would say most of the things that Zander has been getting pressure for are understandable for people that haven't played with Zander, but those that DO know him should be laughing at.  Zander getting stuck in a read and going in circles to support that read, even when new information suggests he shouldn't, isn't desirable but it's how he plays.  Nobody's perfect.

 

im still giggling at cuth saying mrsclov might be a wolf if scruff is a villa

 

I think we should probably lynch her to be safe.

 

 

 

I also like to be on top

 

RCG though.

 

You know what these two posts have in common?

 

 

Things I can do to you in your sleep.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eldrick name the reasons you think Im pushing Sbop

All I can see is that you pursued asking him if he knew if penny subbed out as scum. But because this has no bearing on the game being she subbed out before the game started, I don't understand the reason for this.

 

You said there was something else about his posts you didn't like, but I'm blanking on what it was. I actually wanted to ask you for example of it.

For someone who claims to be trying to figure me out, this shows the fact youre not man.

 

Youve like at least 3-4 posts saying im not reading Zander Town, Zander you need to show me youre Town and Im not getting what youre saying/pushing yet Ive got like prolly at least 20 posts explaining why I sussed for the original reason. multiple posts explaining other issues ive had with them and youre still like I cant figure out you out Zander....this is why I cant read you Town.

 

ISO me and look if youre a Villager man.

Already said I'm not gonna ISO you. I never do. You say too much.

 

People likely never ISO me either :P

 

If you're a villager you can answer my questions directly so I can understand you. If you're scum, you can just ignore me and let my suspicion stay.

 

 

[v] Eld [/v]

 

This is such a cop out post.

 

Town!Eld dont speak in absolutes like this....only Sith do

 

 

 

 

Zander can you explain why you think it's a cop out, or what you mean by cop out.

 

I'm having trouble here with the correlation between accusing him of copping out and also him speaking in absolutes.

 

Or is the cop out the refusal to ISO you? Which if this is the case why are you voting Eldrick over Iron who also said he doesn't ISO you as a policy. 

 

Because Eld can read me and hes reading me wrong, which leads me to believe he's Scum because he's not assuming he's wrong by going back to look over and reevaluate. 

 

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[csarmi]

 

So your european mod is going to sleep in ~1-2 hours. If I do and Hally ain't around (she's definitely going to be around her evening time), feel free to post votecounts. Votes count as long as unvote happened and they are bolded and red and it's clear who they refer to.

 

It's hybrid hammer - most of you know the drill.

Surprising she isnt yet, its like 2 PM over there

 

 

I mean, I bet she's working on fridays.

[Zander?]

 

 

I love all the new players and whatnot but guys im gonna hold off on reading you today unless something really stands out. The game state was better for me to resolve when it was smaller.

Had this siggy for like three weeks and you're the first person to reference parks and rec. Isnt that sad?

 

 

i did last game jabroni.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

I love all the new players and whatnot but guys im gonna hold off on reading you today unless something really stands out. The game state was better for me to resolve when it was smaller.

Had this siggy for like three weeks and you're the first person to reference parks and rec. Isnt that sad?

i did last game jabroni.

Well then that explains why I didnt see it, doesnt it?

[csarmi]

Let's talk about sex, baby

Let's talk about you and me

Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things 

That can be

[Darthe]

 

 

So your european mod is going to sleep in ~1-2 hours. If I do and Hally ain't around (she's definitely going to be around her evening time), feel free to post votecounts. Votes count as long as unvote happened and they are bolded and red and it's clear who they refer to.

 

It's hybrid hammer - most of you know the drill.

Surprising she isnt yet, its like 2 PM over there

I mean, I bet she's working on fridays.

I am too!

[Clovdyx]

Because Eld can read me and hes reading me wrong, which leads me to believe he's Scum because he's not assuming he's wrong by going back to look over and reevaluate. 

 

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This is a terrible thought process, and you're better than that.  Every player makes conclusions and don't go back to constantly second guess their work - including you.  Assuming he MUST be scum, and not that he's just wrong, is lazy.

[Zander?]

 

im gonna talk about why i have concerns with clov/cory.

 

Clov head:

 

While I agree with what he said about sooh, the post wher ehe was laying it out seemed more wordy than it needed to be for something that could be said as succinctly as "sooh probably pretty clear for saying that because she's probably that role." Especially because i thought it was obvious that was the case*** I also found his marsh push about not having sooh higher a bit nitpicky.

 

cory head:

He made a couple comments before his reread about the key to the game being to figure out spades and about how he'd have to review spades' villa games to figure her out. I thought this was weird because i don't think spades was the ley to the game at this point. I thnk the key to the game was the 1/3rd of the people who haven't posted or done anything. As to the second part I thought the "getting into spades headspace" part was weird because he was in her first game and hydra'd with her and walked her through(her words) her second game. So the part about having to reexamine them felt a bit odd to me. I also didn't understand why he was evaluating her on stress and we talked about it but i don't think thats more of playstyle(his vs mine) issues than i think that is an issue with his alignment.

 

***

irrelevant segway: when i saw it i was talking to spades on discord and i was musing if we could just brute force the game with claims and spades said didn't you read the original post, their are fake claims to which i said, "why would i ever read the original post." then i sensibly chuckled

 

 

My desire to clarify my Spades read is almost exclusively tied to the fact that she's not someone I have the experience to read confidently (takes me quite a few games) and I'd really like to not potentially mislynch my girlfriend.

 

It's not something I ended up pursuing regardless.

 

Stop eating tinfoil.

 

 

*zander backs away slowly*

[Zander?]

 

 

I have a tinfoil on Cory in the back of my mind. There have been a few times where he felt...i dunno too knowledgeable? Like his read on someone was overly descriptive and made me think maaayyybe tmi.

But I dunno. He's a good player and I can see him getting there as a villager too. It's just something that's been bugging me.

 

"I have TMI in both roles"

 

- monstrman

Pretty much why I have you as null. I think you're good enough to have that kind of depth as a villager, but I'm also wary that you are able to do it easily because you're a wolf.

 

So gonna be wait and see for you.

 

 

Corydyx Town imo as am I.

 

Try ISOing to see imo.

[Zander?]

I just want you all to know I'm ISO-ing Zander without my coffee. SOS. 

 

God Bless you.

 

Its too bad I already know youre a Villager...lolololol

[Ironeyes]

 

I just want you all to know I'm ISO-ing Zander without my coffee. SOS. 

 

God Bless you.

 

Its too bad I already know youre a Villager...lolololol

Lol is ISOing you a town tell now? 

[Zander?]

Is it possible we live in a world that Sooh/SpadesBop/Zander/Darthe/Eldrick are all villagers and this is just some Dragon Reborn reboot we're too paranoid to register correctly?

 

I certainly don't think it's impossible

 

i hope not

[csarmi]

 

 

YOUR HOURLY VOTE COUNT:

 

Eldrick(2): Scruffington, Zander

Scruffington(2): Darthe, Marsh

Marsh(1): Cuth

Fleeing Coward(1): CorDyx

Zander(2): MrsClovLinz, Eldrick

  

A deadline is now set for Friday, July 14th at 11:30pm EST.  With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

(votes were reset on replaced people)

 

Also until Hally gets around to update the player list ...

 

Aquilla has been replaced by Fleeing Coward

Ted Bundy has been replaced by Fredwood

 

(do not discuss subs)

 

 

 

I'm out for the night. Linz is gonna make votecounts until Hally comes.

[Zander?]

Well, I'm back from my Zander ISO. Holy what did I just read, batman?

 

Here's what I've come away with. Zander originally sussed SpadesBop because of Spades interaction with Sooh. He said it felt awkward, and later went to say he thought they could be w/w together. When I read through the interactions between Zander/Bop it felt like  Zander wasn't the one who subbed in for Penny. Like his questions were about Penny's meta and read like he was trying to figure out that slot (which is his own, mind you) not Bop's or anyone else's.  The questions he asked were as follows:

 

 

How many games have you played with Penny?

 

Has she ever subbed as Scum before?  As Town?  Is one more prevalent?

 

You don't think its possible she outted before role pm's were out or she couldn't have outted as Town?

 

Do you know she doesn't like playing as Scum at all?

 

So you generally assume anyone subbing out is Scummy?

 

Does Penneh sub out as Town?

 

The entire ISO I never got the feeling he was trying to figure anyone out. He never gave reasons for his reads, and infact I'm really bothered by him having Cordyx as town. I have them as probably town (for now), but I also have reasons associated. To me, Zander reads to me like he came in to the game and was going to town read Cordyx. In fact here's one post that really bothered me related to this.

 

 

 

Pretend for a sec you knew for certain Cordyx, me and ofc no pretending but Linz are all Town.

 

He's had Eldrick as a high town read all phase, so why all of the sudden is he voting him? Especially when at one point in time he said that 1 of Darth, Sooh, or SpadesBop was scum and called Ironeyes wolfy 3 times? Zander asked several times what other people thought of HIM, but very little of asking about other people or trying to figure out their slots. 

 

All in all I'm not convinced that Zander is trying to solve the game.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

FML

[MrsClov]

That's an interesting response, Z.

[Zander?]

Moving my vote literally because of what I said earlier. 0 content would suuuuck as a mislynch.

 

[unvote]

[V]Zander[/v]

 

waits until the ic votes me.

 

eldrick isnt his normal aall over the place super wimmed self.

 

eldrick can read me, hes not thsi game and is like srew it im not gonna iso zander .

 

especially after last game where eld seen my reads be FOAT and even gave me crap for one in Killa where he said he HATED my reasoning for it.

 

Town Eld would look to MAKE SURE I was Scum...he waited till someobne  voted.  bad look

 

 

this isnt TOWN!ELD imo

[Zander?]

im having a hard time reading zander and part of it is me not wanting to be spiteful due to the tunnel. 

 

I agree with everything clov said, adn i think i expressed it at the time(ie the focus on penny making no sense). I feel like he saw me call him wolf and since then he's been locked in this thunderdome and even though he hasnt pursued it as hard he keeps making sarcastic comments about how you could read me/spades as town and condescending comments to spades that just shows no reconsidering the idea. I asked the otherday if he gets ultra defensive when called a wolf ebcause usually i would expect either a jokey quip(ie a you got me breaking bad gif or something similar) or maybe even a wolf read because he sometimes people find using the rand wolf sub out line as wolfy or a easy way to cast suspicion and i would have understood that. But the full on thunderdome was unexpected.

 

Also a couple selfish things where he liked clov for his read on eldrick early on but several posts earlier i gave the same read and nothing. 

 

I find the you don't read me villa, you are a wolf line a bit odd as well(the line he's taken with eldrick) especially since a reason he was villa reading clov was the eldrick read which i assume he somewhat agreed with since he also had eldrick as a villa earlier as well.

 

*for sooh/cory other MUers* i'm kinda reading the cory/zander dynamic as similar to the banks/JP dynamic that exists in their games. That is regardless of alignment JP is always buddying with banks and nowt pushing him or evaluating early and based on what i know of zander/cory through seeing them interact on MUdiscord(zander shouting out to cory the few times i've seen him pop in etc) and hearing cory talk abotu zander outside of game they are buddies and zander seems like someone who gravitates and allies with his buddies in games(purely my opinion). 

 

Spades has been concerned with zander buddying right up to cody and i've been assuming thats a normal thing for him, if that isn't a normal thing please let me know.

 

 

 

so im at this point and im kinda tired and in a fugue and completely dont know where i was going. So if i derailed or my point got muddled in here sorry. this is where im at on zander

 

ive at no point have been condescending to spades.

[Spadeszee]

That's an interesting response, Z.

Same

[Spadeszee]

 

That's an interesting response, Z.

Same

 

wrong quote, brb coffee before I so this

[Zander?]

I'm fine with qualms because a lot of his content has been frustrating for me to parse, but frustration on what he is pursuing is not something wolfy for Zander in the slightest. For the most part as a wolf Zander only really gets into lengthy, stubborn arguments with fellow wolfbros as a wolf because he knows he's "right" even though he's a wolf, and I immensely doubt BopSpades/Zander are wolf/wolf.

 

He's not a good lynch today.

 

tyvm

 

you Towny too boo

 

 

 

I also always take people focusing me a little personally. I'm trying really hard to not do that, but I can't help it. I don't think I've been able to really read Zander because I'm confused by him and most of his points have made very little sense to me. I've felt maybe it's my bias for being hounded.

 

You & Sooh should have a chat lol. Sooh has been on the receiving end of a Zander tunnel probably more times than anyone, maybe she can start up a support group.

 

 

 

sadface.gif

 

 

Cory, I hear what you are saying but I can't go solely off of a meta I've never seen only heard about. I'm going off of what's in the thread, and everything you are telling me about how he approaches things seems like it'd be easy enough to fake. 

 

IRT to my Cordyx read and viceversa...think outside the normal box for a minute plz!!!!

[Darthe]

My name is zander

 

If you vote me youre a wolf

[Zander?]

 

 

I also always take people focusing me a little personally. I'm trying really hard to not do that, but I can't help it. I don't think I've been able to really read Zander because I'm confused by him and most of his points have made very little sense to me. I've felt maybe it's my bias for being hounded.

You & Sooh should have a chat lol. Sooh has been on the receiving end of a Zander tunnel probably more times than anyone, maybe she can start up a support group.

 

Doh hasn't played as many games as I've been zander tunneled, much less Des tunneled

 

 

False

 

ANd youve YET to fool me as Scum!Derf so there is that.