[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Cass]

 

Based on our delightful repartee':

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

 

 

Especially since you just gave the opinion that it's Scum's best interests to leave her here?

[DPR]

 

Based on our delightful repartee':

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

 

 

You're overplaying your hand pumpkin.

 

Plying everyone with questions all day long is cute, but at some point you are expected to actually play.

 

Stoking embers back into a blaze ain't exactly townish, you know? Not one person is confused over my consolidation to Shad - the BFG vote is going nowhere and Shad is my next best pick. Has been the whole time. 

 

Be careful. 

[DPR]

 

 

Based on our delightful repartee':

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

 

 

Especially since you just gave the opinion that it's Scum's best interests to leave her here?

 

 

You're going to push this after I move my vote to Shad? Really?

 

I don't recall you answering my question about why you posted that scum needed to NK BFG the most. Care to explain that one?

[Eldrick4221]

 

Cass. What are your reads?

If you want reads they're currently

 

Shanti - She's either Town or D2 was Crunkus-level AtE AND a gambit that

 

>b]DPR/Dice/Killanos/Adella/Shad/Alf-Eldrick[/b]

 

BFG - played more Townsided this phase since claim ?independent/will switch

 

 

I have a page of thoughts and notes but it's essentially indecision on Shad/DPR/Dice, Possi-Tinfoil on Killanos/Adella - Adella I haven't ISO'd, and for your slot fighting the notion that Alf was probably scummy so you are too.

What's the bold?

 

Any thoughts on me independant of alf?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Cass. What are your reads?

If you want reads they're currently

 

Shanti - She's either Town or D2 was Crunkus-level AtE AND a gambit that

 

DPR/Dice/Killanos/Adella/Shad/Alf-Eldrick

 

BFG - played more Townsided this phase since claim ?independent/will switch

 

 

I have a page of thoughts and notes but it's essentially indecision on Shad/DPR/Dice, Possi-Tinfoil on Killanos/Adella - Adella I haven't ISO'd, and for your slot fighting the notion that Alf was probably scummy so you are too.

What's the bold?

 

Any thoughts on me independant of alf?

Ebwop fixed tag

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. I will be gone for roughly an hour. Picking my friend up from work.

 

But I'll be back for dl.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

Dice (2): Killanos, Adella

 

BFG (1): Dice

 

DPR (2): BFG, Shad, 

 

Shad (3): Shanti, Eldrick, DPR

 

Not voting (1):  Cass

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

Can you give a point of him doing that that isn't his approach to bfg? Because I get his stance on that and agree with the premise, just not the timing.

 

Off the top of my morning head our conversation was all revolving around the BFG discussion.  There were a lot of side points to that involved, like his insistence that Sooh would intentionally run a highly unbalanced game just to catch us off guard and spinning it on me for insisting she wouldn't, and his immediate accusation slinging at the notion that a doctor could lock in the slot as scum.  I've got like 15 minutes and then I don't think I'm going to be back before EoD so I can't offer you a comprehensive overview beyond what I laid out in real time yesterday.

 

 

Italics is something I noted, but it goes against both of you imo.

 

@Shad - Before you go.

 

 

 

Skimmed to 1700 here from where I was yesterday.

 

 

 

Feeling like the BFG/setup debate has been pushed ad nauseum and to the distraction of further scum-hunting. 

I feel like the TLDR version is:

 

BFG has made a claim to be not-Town.

Town never makes that claim, it's possible she's Scum/3P but ?more likely she's 3p.

That is not likely to be an imminent threat to Town.

 

 

There's an argument for lynching BFG

- She's claimed not Town - Town never makes that claim. She either wins with Town/independently or she is scum. 

- I don't trust that she wins with Town

 

There's an argument for not lynching BFG 

- If her claim is true, mafia most need to lynch BFG here.

 

 

 

 

DPR's primary focus is lynching BFG.

Shad's primary focus is lynching DPR.

 

Shad and DPR are going hammer and tongs over mechanics/BFG related chat. Possibly passion, possibly wolfy on either/both parts, distracting and circular either way.

 

 

Cass (or anybody really), why the bold? Seems like the exact opposite to me - As scum, I leave BFG on the board FTW. Please explain.

 

I'd also like to add a bit of perspective re the rest of the game. 

 

* I don't feel like anything has been pushed "ad nauseum". To me, things have progressed at a fairly normal and unexcited pace and the people pushing for emo overload are just trying to paint a narrative.

 

* Shad's emo is unnecessary and is exactly what I describe above. He's not worried about people agreeing with him - he's a statistician ffs. He's trying to push a lynch and frustrated because he can't pull it off.

 

* I mentioned Shanti throwing a fit. It was in regard to her post toward me chastising me for not moving my vote to Shad right away. For clarity, my comment to her that she should relax speaks to the fact that I've seen good players fuzz up their own radar with too much emo, and I saw her stepping into this territory. It should be avoided. Common sense dictates that I'll move my vote out of self preservation, but we still have plenty of time for discussion and that is what will benefit Town the most.

 

* Given that we have 4 trains all tied at 2 votes, I think it's fair to say that there is a bit of uncertainty lingering... Uncertainty leads to mislynches. I see postings asking players to imagine their leans are town instead of scum, but consider this instead: don't imagine anything. Go with what you know. Lynch the admitted non-town player and increase town's odds of hitting scum tomorrow - it's just that simple. 

 

I'm here for a bit to answer q's. 

 

 

 

WRT to question on the first bold - I was working on the "If her claim is true - ie if she can only win with Town"

 

Given further thought that I think she's most likely to be independent and have to switch for wincon, it doesn't necessarily apply?

 

 

@Shad?

 

IIRC you brought up/explain that fact, plus mention that she's playing with the wind out of her sails?

 

 

Why lynch DPR over her today?

 

 

 

 

 

If we lynch town today and BFG is lying about her F6 then obviously she needs to lynch town tomorrow too.  Likewise if we lynch scum today she has to dig in and catch a wolf.  Or else her claim is true on its face and she doesn't care, which is the style she's playing towards though that might be to fake its validity.  I don't believe BFG is going to scum side voluntarily at this stage in the game as a Survivor and she's not a threat to us tomorrow in so far as we are aware of this and can just disregard her.

 

If it helps, I have been talking about the nature of Survivor as an identified role in the game because I find alternatives extremely improbable under the circumstances.  A Survivor who is a completely unknown factor on the roster can threaten town by pretending to be town.  Maybe in hindsight this was the root of some of the confusion yesterday?

 

Not sure if that answers your question.

[Shad_]

In other news Ollie took off his diaper and pooped on my floor.  Yay!

[Cass]

 

 

 

Based on our delightful repartee':

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

 

 

Especially since you just gave the opinion that it's Scum's best interests to leave her here?

 

 

You're going to push this after I move my vote to Shad? Really?

 

I don't recall you answering my question about why you posted that scum needed to NK BFG the most. Care to explain that one?

 

 

 

You're going to move your vote after I give a reads list that puts the person player you were voting as the likely lynch, after you say that scum want to leave BFG in play?

 

I did answer that question - It's where the "same question" comes from. 

 

Why haven't you answered my earlier questions?

[Adella]

In other news Ollie took off his diaper and pooped on my floor. Yay!

Kids are so awesome all the time! /Sarcasm

[Shad_]

 

 

 

Tinfoil on BFG still exists. The non-Town claim fits the off feeling I had about her in Hackers, no idea yet what exactly it is. I'm no further along with her than yesterday, when I shared concerns her role could be independent winner/scum rather than the way she paints it as Town aligned.

She's playing a game of appeasement.

 

No, there can be a protective role that failed their protection

 

And any roles shouldn't out

Stuff like this.

 

It reeks of "I know any mention of revealing will be perceived as scummy by some people so I'm going to just say no."

 

Town!BFG thinks it out. Maybe draws the same conclusions but doesn't just state it like that.

 

She's not town siding in the sense of approaching the game post-claim as if she might as well have randed villager.

 

She's not really being opportunistic irt anyone else either besides trying to avoid eye contact, there's just no wind in these sails.

 

I don't believe there's some super bizarre mechanic in a basic game that allows scum to win at F6 and she holds an uncountered explanation for the lack of a kill N1, above and beyond the obvious improbability that she drops a claim like this out of the blue without major suspicion as a wolf.

 

 

 

If I'm reading this correctly, your points are

 

She's not Town/Playing like Town-aligned 3P.

 

She's not Scum.

 

 

Ok? Same same as my initial bold?

 

You were musing scum, and I disagree on that. She's obviously not a specifically town-aligned Survivor and she didn't claim that anyway, just added the wonky F6 to argue that she has to town side. I think that part's BS but doesn't really matter for our purposes, basically.  Her behavior fits with an apathetic Survivor and I think she'll take a lazy crack at lynching scum rather than town today because that is how BFG plays the game. 

[Cass]

DPR and Shad are driving me nuts.

 

WRT DPR I'm not sure how much of that is bias because of the following.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OTTERS!!

 

*Tackles Cuth*

 

Thoughts on Tig at this stage - not enough actual game-related thoughts from her ITT; the *stares suspiciously* at Shanti is possibly off-kilter given that she said Shanti + Pep isn't sus to her specifically, circles about her only relating the comment to Peg + Cat after I mentioned it. Don't hate her questioning me, but it initially bothered me that the quote she uses doesn't have the whole story/all her responses. 

 

Re-reading, could just be a cross in our wires since in my mind the focus was on me asking her if she found extra pep a bad thing wrt Shanti since she called it out, and the way she quotes it she's reading it as me correcting her that Shanti was peppy.

 

TLDR Null/Need moaarrr thoughts.

 

sounds good, thanks

 

 

Why good?

 

Do you agree or disagree/what are your thoughts on Tigs/my actual thoughts?

 

And *dies of cuteness overload*

 

I (almost) won't even care if that was a pocket pic.

 

 

good because you responded

 

i have no big thoughts on what you said, and i've already told you what i think about tigraine herself

 

 

They didn't have to be big thoughts / content should be more important than actual response??

 

What thoughts do you have on other players right now/where are you at on Killa/Kronos / Zep / Your WTL?

 

 

Glad you picked up on that, too.

 

 

 

Cuth-a-Nyn ain't scum. 

 

I'm more worried about the pocket attempt here. 

 

 

Why are they not scum to you?

 

And since when did saying you're glad someone picked up on something the same that you did become a pocket attempt?

 

You just picked up a shovel in my eyes, there DPR. You were looking good but now you're defending someone I am 100% sure is scum, and attempting to turn things around on me. Not a good look at all.

 

 

Also, LOL at you... The pocket attempt was made by Cass toward Cuth. I didn't realize you thought I meant you until just now. Funny.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, LOL at you... The pocket attempt was made by Cass toward Cuth. I didn't realize you thought I meant you until just now. Funny.

 

Highlight how?

 

 

You don't see possi-pocket attempts by Shanti and Cuth in the bold (and hugging otter pic) from Cuth here?

 

 

Meh, i see you playing a particular angle. We'll see if it pans out. 

 

It's pretty easy to pick someone you know is Town and appeal to them through praise rooted in skepticism. Looks good on scum. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, I've rr a bit. I didn't find a smoking gun. 

 

I found a lot of playing along the current style - "the playbook says do this, so that's what we'll do!" kind of stuff. Honestly, that just bores me. It's so easy to manipulate. 

 

I think for now it's in the Town's best interest if I don't post a ton of spec. I'm not really in a place where I think a debate is necessary as we have a claimed non-Town to lynch and no reason  not to lynch her - Town doesn't lose anything and we gain the info. 

 

I have BFG and Shad for the last 2 mafia. 

 

Shanti has been overly aggressive and is making bold plays for no apparent reason, but I don't see her dustup with Nyn as a gambit.

 

dice is doing his thing - I like what he sells and he's one of the most likely to sell me on it. But, I don't like him for scum right now.

 

Adella was more present D1. She's kind of dropped off. Could be the weekend. Could be letting the fireworks show (small one) take attention away form her. 

 

Killanos seems to be measured. Kronos isn't pinging, but isn't really around much. Killa seems to be mellow this game - no emo this time around, which is different for her. But, I can't stand Hydra's, so I tend to dismiss them. Probably worked against me with Cuth/Nyn. 

 

Cass... Meh, if Shad and BFG don't flip scum, she'd be my next pick, but it could just be her thought process and her picking up points that matter to her instead of trying to steer the game. I tend to watch other players reactions with folks I don't read well, and dice hasn't called her out, so I'll go with that. I don't see dice and Cass as the last 2 Mafia. 

 

That's about it.

 

No one has said "BFG's claim sounds solid to me!", and as I'm the one leading the case against her, it makes sense to me that I'd get voted over it. It does bug me that now it's Shad and BFG on my train - that would be bad play for a Mafia team, so there's that. maybe Shad is just getting sucked into the play?

 

My vote stays on BFG and ain't likely to change outside of a major revelation.

 

@DPR

 

Can you elaborate on the bold/actual concerns you have with me/my own play?

 

 

 

I've seen you do three things linking me with other players now rather than evaluating my own play in a way that leaves me open to your vote over the 'links' alone and it concerns me.

 

 

You say you don't see Dice/I as the last two mafia - why the linear division? What about Dice-BFG / Dice-Shad? 

 

 

What do you make of Adella's content? Your only comment is on her presence, nothing about the content, unlike your other reads?

 

Sure.

 

/snip

 

First bold - still applies, but also understand from possi-conf-biasTown process.

 

Bold underlined - You didn't answer these questions? / Avoided digging deeper into anything but me?

 

[Shad_]

 

We're not lynching outside of BFG/DPR today.

Here is the post he mentions. The post he justifies by thinking dpr was doc and calling bfg out.

no that doesn't add up cause the cop died

  

I guess it technically could

  <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' data-author="Shad_" data-cid="3806097" data-time="1497248453">Shad_, on 11 Jun 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:<p>.....I'm just going to revisit this whole thought process when I can process thought. He seems to reconsider a few mins later, then he drops a vote on dpr, planning to process it when he's sober.I don't get why he felt the need to explain it the way he did. I don't get why he brought up doc claiming to out bfg, because it wouldn't.But his push on dpr really gets going after his remembering that the cop is dead and therefore doc is unlikely. So this matches up with what he said.

 

 

If I am being an idiot and don't know it about the doc aspect someone please explain and stop just telling me I'm wrong.

 

No one died D1.

 

BFG dropped an uncountered claim to explain this.

 

A doc is improbable because of the kill sequence but if real can counter BFG's claim.

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

Tinfoil on BFG still exists. The non-Town claim fits the off feeling I had about her in Hackers, no idea yet what exactly it is. I'm no further along with her than yesterday, when I shared concerns her role could be independent winner/scum rather than the way she paints it as Town aligned.

She's playing a game of appeasement.

 

No, there can be a protective role that failed their protection

 

And any roles shouldn't out

Stuff like this.

 

It reeks of "I know any mention of revealing will be perceived as scummy by some people so I'm going to just say no."

 

Town!BFG thinks it out. Maybe draws the same conclusions but doesn't just state it like that.

 

She's not town siding in the sense of approaching the game post-claim as if she might as well have randed villager.

 

She's not really being opportunistic irt anyone else either besides trying to avoid eye contact, there's just no wind in these sails.

 

I don't believe there's some super bizarre mechanic in a basic game that allows scum to win at F6 and she holds an uncountered explanation for the lack of a kill N1, above and beyond the obvious improbability that she drops a claim like this out of the blue without major suspicion as a wolf.

 

 

 

If I'm reading this correctly, your points are

 

She's not Town/Playing like Town-aligned 3P.

 

She's not Scum.

 

 

Ok? Same same as my initial bold?

 

You were musing scum, and I disagree on that. She's obviously not a specifically town-aligned Survivor and she didn't claim that anyway, just added the wonky F6 to argue that she has to town side. I think that part's BS but doesn't really matter for our purposes, basically.  Her behavior fits with an apathetic Survivor and I think she'll take a lazy crack at lynching scum rather than town today because that is how BFG plays the game. 

 

 

Mindmeld for all of that.

 

We've established she's non-Town.

 

Who else is scum iyo?

[Cass]

If I am being an idiot and don't know it about the doc aspect someone please explain and stop just telling me I'm wrong.

 

No one died D1.

 

BFG dropped an uncountered claim to explain this.

 

A doc is improbable because of the kill sequence but if real can counter BFG's claim.

 

 

BFG gets killed eventually regardless?

 

Ergo, Doc shouldn't claim if they exist just to speed up her death.

[Shad_]

 

 

Shad, you may not like it, but I do happen to agree that anyone who isn't town is against us. If we Lynch townie for a couple of days then she could easily swap sides again. We don't know for sure if she is telling the truth, and even if she is that doesn't mean she is being honest about her win conditions or anything else. This is a game full of twisting words and lies, and it's our job to sort through them. Your whole basis on DPR being scum is based in BFG telling the truth and that doesn't make sense to me.

My case against DPR has nothing to do with BFG herself.

 

My case against DPR has to do with him exploiting a disagreement to sling dirt, dropping wildly improbable set-up spec to patch his reasoning together, refusing to answer my questions, telling everybody that I was ignoring his questions when I had in detail and was showing him that I had in detail, and continually ramping up this approach the more it seemed that players were buying it. Town try to solve the game, not adamantly defend the correctness of their stance and spin comments showing its clear fallacy into an excuse to push someone.

 

I've been pretty clear about this.

Ok, I get that you feel you have been clear, but at least for me this is what has sunk in. So maybe it's not as clear to the rest of us?

 

 

Then I'd very much like to see people discuss his play and explain why it is more likely to come from his town game.  "Not feeling it" isn't an engageable statement from which more informed reads can progress, and that's all I'm hearing irt his slot.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

Tinfoil on BFG still exists. The non-Town claim fits the off feeling I had about her in Hackers, no idea yet what exactly it is. I'm no further along with her than yesterday, when I shared concerns her role could be independent winner/scum rather than the way she paints it as Town aligned.

She's playing a game of appeasement.

 

No, there can be a protective role that failed their protection

 

And any roles shouldn't out

Stuff like this.

 

It reeks of "I know any mention of revealing will be perceived as scummy by some people so I'm going to just say no."

 

Town!BFG thinks it out. Maybe draws the same conclusions but doesn't just state it like that.

 

She's not town siding in the sense of approaching the game post-claim as if she might as well have randed villager.

 

She's not really being opportunistic irt anyone else either besides trying to avoid eye contact, there's just no wind in these sails.

 

I don't believe there's some super bizarre mechanic in a basic game that allows scum to win at F6 and she holds an uncountered explanation for the lack of a kill N1, above and beyond the obvious improbability that she drops a claim like this out of the blue without major suspicion as a wolf.

 

 

 

If I'm reading this correctly, your points are

 

She's not Town/Playing like Town-aligned 3P.

 

She's not Scum.

 

 

Ok? Same same as my initial bold?

 

You were musing scum, and I disagree on that. She's obviously not a specifically town-aligned Survivor and she didn't claim that anyway, just added the wonky F6 to argue that she has to town side. I think that part's BS but doesn't really matter for our purposes, basically.  Her behavior fits with an apathetic Survivor and I think she'll take a lazy crack at lynching scum rather than town today because that is how BFG plays the game. 

 

 

Mindmeld for all of that.

 

We've established she's non-Town.

 

Who else is scum iyo?

 

 

I'm still quite content lynching DPR and Dice.  That hasn't changed all phase.

[Shad_]

 

If I am being an idiot and don't know it about the doc aspect someone please explain and stop just telling me I'm wrong.

 

No one died D1.

 

BFG dropped an uncountered claim to explain this.

 

A doc is improbable because of the kill sequence but if real can counter BFG's claim.

 

 

BFG gets killed eventually regardless?

 

Ergo, Doc shouldn't claim if they exist just to speed up her death.

 

 

If we aren't lynching her today then that's fine.  Policy lynching a claimed Survivor who can be countered is stupid rather than just countering and lynching or else there is no counter and we let her slot resolve itself.  With the cop dead doctor is a low value role at this point.

[Cass]

 

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake. 

 

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight. 

 

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them. 

 

 

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tinfoil on BFG still exists. The non-Town claim fits the off feeling I had about her in Hackers, no idea yet what exactly it is. I'm no further along with her than yesterday, when I shared concerns her role could be independent winner/scum rather than the way she paints it as Town aligned.

She's playing a game of appeasement.

 

No, there can be a protective role that failed their protection

 

And any roles shouldn't out

Stuff like this.

 

It reeks of "I know any mention of revealing will be perceived as scummy by some people so I'm going to just say no."

 

Town!BFG thinks it out. Maybe draws the same conclusions but doesn't just state it like that.

 

She's not town siding in the sense of approaching the game post-claim as if she might as well have randed villager.

 

She's not really being opportunistic irt anyone else either besides trying to avoid eye contact, there's just no wind in these sails.

 

I don't believe there's some super bizarre mechanic in a basic game that allows scum to win at F6 and she holds an uncountered explanation for the lack of a kill N1, above and beyond the obvious improbability that she drops a claim like this out of the blue without major suspicion as a wolf.

 

 

 

If I'm reading this correctly, your points are

 

She's not Town/Playing like Town-aligned 3P.

 

She's not Scum.

 

 

Ok? Same same as my initial bold?

 

You were musing scum, and I disagree on that. She's obviously not a specifically town-aligned Survivor and she didn't claim that anyway, just added the wonky F6 to argue that she has to town side. I think that part's BS but doesn't really matter for our purposes, basically.  Her behavior fits with an apathetic Survivor and I think she'll take a lazy crack at lynching scum rather than town today because that is how BFG plays the game. 

 

 

Mindmeld for all of that.

 

We've established she's non-Town.

 

Who else is scum iyo?

 

 

I'm still quite content lynching DPR and Dice.  That hasn't changed all phase.

 

 

Great, except I want to see more from your head to try and decide between you and DPR <.<

 

What thoughts do you have on ISOs for

 

Adella

 

Killanos

 

?

[Shad_]

So he wasn't trying to lynch who he thought was the doc. That's fine.

 

He spent a lot of time talking about getting the doc to reveal to out bfg as a wolf. This is an unreasonable scenario and reads to me as just trying to get the doc to reveal.

 

He also didn't get involved with the city lynch, as I mentioned before.

 

My vote stays.

 

Red literally no one has explained why it is unreasonable.  No one.  We're not even talking reads here, we're talking plain logic.  My argument is logical or it is not regardless of my alignment.  You find the fault in it or you don't, you don't just call it stupid on its face because oooo only wolves discuss the value of a PR revealing.

 

 

Blue then policy lynch me every game.  The guy was peeked scum.  I'm not going to fake progression on that to appease other villagers.  We were never not lynching him and if people started getting cold feet I would have strongarmed it, but I didn't need to so why focus my attention on the living dead?

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

Based on our delightful repartee':

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

 

 

Especially since you just gave the opinion that it's Scum's best interests to leave her here?

 

 

You're going to push this after I move my vote to Shad? Really?

 

I don't recall you answering my question about why you posted that scum needed to NK BFG the most. Care to explain that one?

 

 

 

You're going to move your vote after I give a reads list that puts the person player you were voting as the likely lynch, after you say that scum want to leave BFG in play?

 

I did answer that question - It's where the "same question" comes from. 

 

Why haven't you answered my earlier questions?

 

 

 

You can talk all you want, but you have yet to put your money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap. You want me to believe you? Lay down a vote. 

 

Walk me through that answer again - I obviously didn't get it. Why would scum need to NK BFG tonight? 

[DPR]

 

 

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake. 

 

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight. 

 

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them. 

 

 

IMO this logic is false if he has BFG as 3P.

 

 

That's cute - especially after I moved my vote. But you see, I've had BFG as lying scum the entire time. So there's that. 

[Shad_]

Adella

 

Killanos

 

?

Frankly I've spent so much of this phase getting town to budge and progress a read on DPR/understand my perspective on BFG that I haven't had time to further look at them. Killanos hasn't been much involved this phase in my recollection. Adella has felt a little like she's taking the path of least resistance this phase where D2 she had been going all in. Conflicting feels between the two that I'll explore further as needed.

 

Eldrick seems fine so far. Eldricky but he's doing that thing where he actually considers what people tell him and plays it out in his head.