[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[DPR]

  On 6/13/2017 at 12:05 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 12:05 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

But a golden opportunity for snarkery, and that you cannot deny.

Not even trying to. I liked your answer.

 

 

 

I just wanted to say snarkery. 

[Eldrick4221]

  On 6/13/2017 at 12:24 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:46 AM, Cass said:

Skimmed to 1700 here from where I was yesterday.

 

 

 

Feeling like the BFG/setup debate has been pushed ad nauseum and to the distraction of further scum-hunting.

I feel like the TLDR version is:

 

BFG has made a claim to be not-Town.

Town never makes that claim, it's possible she's Scum/3P but ?more likely she's 3p.

That is not likely to be an imminent threat to Town.

 

 

There's an argument for lynching BFG

- She's claimed not Town - Town never makes that claim. She either wins with Town/independently or she is scum.

- I don't trust that she wins with Town

 

There's an argument for not lynching BFG

- If her claim is true, mafia most need to lynch BFG here.

 

 

 

 

DPR's primary focus is lynching BFG.

Shad's primary focus is lynching DPR.

 

Shad and DPR are going hammer and tongs over mechanics/BFG related chat. Possibly passion, possibly wolfy on either/both parts, distracting and circular either way.

 

Cass (or anybody really), why the bold? Seems like the exact opposite to me - As scum, I leave BFG on the board FTW. Please explain.

 

I'd also like to add a bit of perspective re the rest of the game.

 

* I don't feel like anything has been pushed "ad nauseum". To me, things have progressed at a fairly normal and unexcited pace and the people pushing for emo overload are just trying to paint a narrative.

 

* Shad's emo is unnecessary and is exactly what I describe above. He's not worried about people agreeing with him - he's a statistician ffs. He's trying to push a lynch and frustrated because he can't pull it off.

 

* I mentioned Shanti throwing a fit. It was in regard to her post toward me chastising me for not moving my vote to Shad right away. For clarity, my comment to her that she should relax speaks to the fact that I've seen good players fuzz up their own radar with too much emo, and I saw her stepping into this territory. It should be avoided. Common sense dictates that I'll move my vote out of self preservation, but we still have plenty of time for discussion and that is what will benefit Town the most.

 

* Given that we have 4 trains all tied at 2 votes, I think it's fair to say that there is a bit of uncertainty lingering... Uncertainty leads to mislynches. I see postings asking players to imagine their leans are town instead of scum, but consider this instead: don't imagine anything. Go with what you know. Lynch the admitted non-town player and increase town's odds of hitting scum tomorrow - it's just that simple.

 

I'm here for a bit to answer q's.

I agree with all of these points except that we should lynch bfg. We should lynch scum, which she probably isn't. Her claim would be suicidal as scum and a horrible move.

 

If we can lynch scum today and tomorrow, we don't have to worry about bfg. If either of those are town, she's next.

[DPR]

Fair enough. I've said my piece, so I'll let it rest. 

[Cass]

  On 6/13/2017 at 11:33 AM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:10 AM, Cass said:

@Killa/Kronos, can you explain the bold below/what theory you were working on?

  On 6/10/2017 at 3:56 AM, Killashandra said:

Cuth I feel like your read of me and Kronos is not genuine and only comes because of our vote. Which is fine. We had good reasons for voting you. We had a theory about who was the cop and did not want to out anyone if we where right or wrong. Talking to much about why you bordered that. Its not as if I or Kronos ever had your slot as quasi questionable.

 

I am hoping this shakes down the way we assume it will.

@Killa, what do you mean by 'not as if ... ever had your slot as quasi questionable?'

 

 

This was the reads list you gave previously

  On 6/9/2017 at 12:54 AM, Killashandra said:

Tig I will give you a quick run down until I can sit at my laptop and run through quotes and shiz.

 

Shad has dropped from town to null. He could have just made a bad call on the vote but the lack of activity when he was so full steam before is meh. Not enough to make him scum to me but also not great. The keyboard thing could be legit though.

 

Still nothing from DPR so I got nothing there other than trepidation. Lol

 

I would like to see Cass and BFG thought s but they still sit in my townie pile from yesterday.

 

Shanti you put yourself as top town haha but I would not put you as high on mine. Still town but not at the tip top.

 

Cuthnyn is the same as yesterday. Cuth reads null/possible town and nyn reads ... Well nyn. She is a wild card at best.

 

I am still hopeful about town tig.

 

Dice is pretty middle of the road null with a side of tinfoil.

 

Alf is somewhat suspect at this point. Low activity and it feels more like slanking than busy because I did not see (but maybe missed) an explanation.

 

I dont know where to put Adella. She started off good but I get a funny feeling about her at times. I am waiting and watching to see what she says and does next.

I thought that shanti was cop based on her 100% comment

 

 

Ta, I have some concerns that you/killa were defending-null reading CuthaNyn prior and pressed/questioned Shanti after that though?

 

 

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 11:43 AM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 10:39 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 4:09 PM, Killashandra said:

Ok I mostly skimmed through posts from today and plan to go back. Before that I wanted to say real quick that during night phase me and Kronos were discussing taking a real close look at the non voters for last night phase. Eldrick took the alf spot and Shad saved that spot, in a way and right at the last second. I think that is worth another look. I will not be around as much until late tonight. I will be a little until around 2pm but after that I have to get ready and drive my boys to my sister's. I am going to go see Metalica has an early birthday gift. So Kronos will probably be around more than me.

 

Where did you guys get with this?

 

Thoughts on Shad-Alf/Eldrick now?

 

 

What did you both make of each of the other non-voters?

We didn't really get to talk about it much. Killa was at a concert and busy most of yesterday. Between work and rehearsals it's been hard for me to keep up.

 

 

Fair enough, what reads do you guys have?

 

Why Dice over the Shad-Alf concerns?

 

Where are you at with Adella?

[Eldrick4221]

Scenario 1.

Bfg is surv. 6-2-1

We mislynch. 5-2-1

NK 4-2-1

We lynch bfg 4-2

NK and lylo

 

Scenario 2.

Bfg is scum 7-2

We mislynch 6-2

NK 5-2

We lynch bfg 5-1

NK 4-1 and regular game

 

Scenario 3

Bfg is surv. 6-2-1

We lynch scum 6-1-1

NK 5-1-1

We mislynch 4-1-1

NK 3-1-1

We lynch bfg 3-1

NK and lylo

 

Scenario 4

Bfg is scum 7-2

We lynch her teammate 7-1

NK 6-1

We mislynch 5-1

NK 4-1

We lynch bfg and win

 

Scenario 5.

Bfg is surv. 6-2-1

We lynch scum 6-1-1

NK 5-1-1

We lynch scum and win

 

If she's Survivor and we ignore her until we get a mislynch, we can win in 2 days. As soon as we are wrong, we lynch her.

 

Scum will keep her alive because scum likes confusion.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 6/13/2017 at 12:41 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Fair enough. I've said my piece, so I'll let it rest.

 

FWIW I do get your viewpoint of lynching non-town because they aren't town. It just doesn't mean she's scum, and is therefore not as important today.

[Eldrick4221]

Cass. What are your reads?

[Cass]

  On 6/10/2017 at 8:14 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 6/9/2017 at 10:31 PM, Tigraine said:

Okay so I've been in and out of service today cause I had to come do laundry at my father-in-law's house.

 

 

I've done a reads list for some not for some but I feel like atm it doesn't even matter. What matters is that Cuth/Nyn you ARE scum 100%. I think it's downright dirty to get on here and try to bring personal stuff into a conversation to hide that you are scum and honestly can't believe you haven't been called out by the mod for it. How is that not a personal attack? But I turned you two in last night instead of DPR (which I go for almost every single time I'm a cop in a game with him) because he was away and busy and I knew we had time to deal with him later. But the point is that you are mafia aligned. I really don't care that I will probably be NKed now because people getting on here and finding your personal attacks funny is so far off from what I thought the people on here were like.

 

But that being said [v] Cuth/Nyn [/v]

 

vote cuth/nyn

 

  On 6/9/2017 at 10:35 PM, Tigraine said:

For what it's worth, here's where I got on my reads list

 

Shad-

 

Shanti- I believe she is town. She's getting very passionate about her arguments like she did last game and she was town. I feel she would be in a lighter/less serious mood if she were scum.

 

DPR- hope his grandmother is okay. As hard as it is for me to even type these words, DPR is town/null

 

Adella- it's actually you that i meant the foreboding post for. Ill search it out and quote it for you.

 

Cuth/Nyn- 100% scum, you guys know it and I know it so no need to beat around the bush.

 

Alf-

 

Killa/Kronos- Killa, sorry that foreboding was meant for Adella. Other than that I actually kinda agree with Adella's "commentary" comment. You aren't playing like you have been and I don't know if it's because you are a Hydra or scum. You usually have much more detailed opinions.

 

Cass- I'm curious as to why you found it suspicious that Alf didn't question Dice's joke vote then wondered at why Dice himself didn't question it. He explained early enough that it was a joke why was a lack of response from either of them afterwards a deal to you? I'm not hating the rest of your gameplay, you're getting in and asking questions, asking everyone for reads list but other than quoting other and saying 'move this one here" or "drop that one there" I didn't see an actual reads list from you. Can you give us one pleeeeeaaaaasssseeee? But I am leaning heavily town on you atm because of your questioning and interactions.

 

Dice- you come in, joke vote Alf then explain that vote to Cass and then question Alf as to why he didn't question it. Had he questioned it you would've said it was scummy for questioning an obvious joke vote. The fact that you dedicated 9 or 10 of your posts to that cause wouldn't be a big deal if you had pages of posts but you don't. You have something around 25 now. So that makes it a pretty big deal imo especially when you tried to downplay it. To top that off, when I called you out on that blatant downplay, you conveniently ignore it and say I'm too focused on it. Of course I am, almost half of your post count was about that. I especially don't like that you only questioned him on it after Cass called you out on not asking. I havent took you for the type of player that reacts in that fashion to avoid suspicion. Other than that you have twice (at least) pseudo defended gameplay from Nyn who is scum

 

first off with all the colours ALL of those have been answered   for someone who knows EXACTLY how many posts i i have I hope u actually read them.

 

reds been answered  i took his post as a response. I will also thank you not to tell me what I will or will not think tyvm. You have not played with me enuff to even make a guess let alone KNOW what i would do. And for the record you are totally wrong. it all depends on HOW they respond WHEN they do it and WHAT they say, cause you know I actually READ peoples posts if im going to talk about them.

 

 

Blue  hmmm i wonder why???  would that be because some opf it was the actual conversation and then the rest is responding to people asking about the conversation? I think it is!!

 

and I will give you a really big word to the wise   if you are someone easily offended in a mafia game Id suggest you dont try me regarding post counts. Cause  as it has been before the responses will be extremely blunt. And I wont be apologetic about it.

 

purple asking the same already answered question twice in one post. seriously?? give me a break.

 

 

 

Dice - Why question/defend yourself against Tigs' thoughts here after you vote with her?

[Shad_]

  On 6/13/2017 at 6:48 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:47 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:11 AM, Adella said:

What are your thoughts in Dice? If people aren't going to agree on DPR, can we agree elsewhere? If DOR is scum, he isn't the only one left in the game. You've got to have another option.

I've had DPR/Dice as most likely scum team all phase. Dice is fairly consensus so that one's getting resolved regardless. DPR needs attention.

I really don't see DPR as scum, but also firmly believe you and Dice aren't teammates.

 

Would be willing to move back to dice. If he does flip scum, I'd take a closer look at DPR

 

 

DPR could insist we need to lynch an Innocent Child and everyone would call him town.  (Wouldn't be surprised if this has actually happened lol.)

 

When you apply a bunch of highly illogical arguments and you're shown why they don't work and your reaction is to double down and use the correction to push the person thinking it through rather than reconsidering, something is wrong.  I don't understand why this always gets a pass from him unless people just don't stop and think through what he's saying.  It would be like if when you first got into the game and said Cuth was revealing as scum because he said Shanti's not bussing him, and I pointed out that you can't bus a villager, and you said "ROFL you're a liar, look everyone Shad is defending the guy with a red cop peek!!!" instead of admitting I'm right and acknowledging that I'm obviously not stupid enough to defend a red peek as any alignment.  Do you follow?  DPR's been pulling that type of stunt all phase, because it appears to work for him.  Everyone just says they don't see him as scum, I haven't heard a reason beyond "gut" or just a blanket statement that he's town.

[Shad_]

I legitimately think people are just intimidated by him.  Otherwise there would be explanations not lazy town reads.

[Eldrick4221]

Can you give a point of him doing that that isn't his approach to bfg? Because I get his stance on that and agree with the premise, just not the timing.

[Cass]

  On 6/13/2017 at 12:24 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:46 AM, Cass said:

Skimmed to 1700 here from where I was yesterday.

 

 

 

Feeling like the BFG/setup debate has been pushed ad nauseum and to the distraction of further scum-hunting. 

I feel like the TLDR version is:

 

BFG has made a claim to be not-Town.

Town never makes that claim, it's possible she's Scum/3P but ?more likely she's 3p.

That is not likely to be an imminent threat to Town.

 

 

There's an argument for lynching BFG

- She's claimed not Town - Town never makes that claim. She either wins with Town/independently or she is scum. 

- I don't trust that she wins with Town

 

There's an argument for not lynching BFG 

- If her claim is true, mafia most need to lynch BFG here.

 

 

 

 

DPR's primary focus is lynching BFG.

Shad's primary focus is lynching DPR.

 

Shad and DPR are going hammer and tongs over mechanics/BFG related chat. Possibly passion, possibly wolfy on either/both parts, distracting and circular either way.

 

 

Cass (or anybody really), why the bold? Seems like the exact opposite to me - As scum, I leave BFG on the board FTW. Please explain.

 

I'd also like to add a bit of perspective re the rest of the game. 

 

* I don't feel like anything has been pushed "ad nauseum". To me, things have progressed at a fairly normal and unexcited pace and the people pushing for emo overload are just trying to paint a narrative.

 

* Shad's emo is unnecessary and is exactly what I describe above. He's not worried about people agreeing with him - he's a statistician ffs. He's trying to push a lynch and frustrated because he can't pull it off.

 

* I mentioned Shanti throwing a fit. It was in regard to her post toward me chastising me for not moving my vote to Shad right away. For clarity, my comment to her that she should relax speaks to the fact that I've seen good players fuzz up their own radar with too much emo, and I saw her stepping into this territory. It should be avoided. Common sense dictates that I'll move my vote out of self preservation, but we still have plenty of time for discussion and that is what will benefit Town the most.

 

* Given that we have 4 trains all tied at 2 votes, I think it's fair to say that there is a bit of uncertainty lingering... Uncertainty leads to mislynches. I see postings asking players to imagine their leans are town instead of scum, but consider this instead: don't imagine anything. Go with what you know. Lynch the admitted non-town player and increase town's odds of hitting scum tomorrow - it's just that simple. 

 

I'm here for a bit to answer q's. 

 

 

 

WRT to question on the first bold - I was working on the "If her claim is true - ie if she can only win with Town"

 

Given further thought that I think she's most likely to be independent and have to switch for wincon, it doesn't necessarily apply?

 

 

@Shad?

 

IIRC you brought up/explain that fact, plus mention that she's playing with the wind out of her sails?

 

 

Why lynch DPR over her today?

[Cass]

Second bold highlighted there cos I don't remember any of that >.<

[Shad_]

  On 6/13/2017 at 7:46 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 2:14 AM, Shad_ said:

Checked start of day first, Tig hadn't mentioned Cuth prior to Shanti claiming 100% certainty he was scum.

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 2:49 AM, Shad_ said:

I'm cool with a hammer any time after like 2am EST. I get lazy and inattentive if I can't post while I read.

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 2:50 AM, Shad_ said:

Or maybe I just need to type my thoughts to actually solidify them in my mind.

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 2:50 AM, Shad_ said:

I dunno. Just don't hammer for a while plz.

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 3:16 AM, Shad_ said:

Which is probably worth reflecting on if they flip town, but we're not not lynching a red peek.

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 3:24 AM, Shad_ said:

Actually if you're town it's probably just a Framer.  /shrug

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 4:32 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 4:25 AM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 4:23 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 4:09 AM, Shanti said:

Well, I now see others have noticed the slip, but they're laughing it off, which irks me more.. ohh just a slip. If I had made that slip, which I wouldn't even intoxicated, because I'm town and not scum.. i wpukd have tied the rope around my neck....

 

It's literally not a slip tho

 

So if we all know he's scum,  why are we not hammering?

 

Because I want to finish catching up, for one thing. 

 

It's sleepy time in Norway anyway so you're not going to get a flip any time soon, just a thread closure

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 4:54 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/9/2017 at 8:56 PM, Shanti said:

You type out this wonderful paragraph of me overreacting, No Mafia didn't get their NK, but I was wrong about LZM being mafia, AND we lost Darthe...two town losses when I expected none. I go for Shad because he was a last minute switch, which in previous games people mentioned being scummy, sorry for trusting vet players. I stand by my reasons because they were legit reasons, he DID seem scum, I went ahead and defended myself and put the information out there because well, who wouldn't question someone on the lynch train? My scum to town list is better than sitting back and letting everyone make assumptions when I feel strongly about something and want to point it out. That isn't my style and never will be. 

 

Huh? To the highlighted red part. 

 

And to me saying that to Cuth it was actually both Shad and Cuth that I was stating it to and they were starting to twist my words and confusion into making me look guilty and like I was catching myself up in lies. 

 

I didn't jump quickly, Shad's arguments were just better than Cuth's and they were both top scum reads so that is just grasping at straws.

To be fair you never really did answer my initial questions so much as reset the next day.

 

But I need to reread all of that more thoroughly with scum!Cuth in mind once I'm caught up.

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 5:54 AM, Shad_ said:

Alright pretty sure I've read everything

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 5:55 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 2:46 AM, Songstress said:

Vote count:

 

Cuth (5): Shanti, Killanos, Tigraine, BFG, DreadPirateRoberts

 

Eldrick (1): Cass

 

Shanti (1): Adella

 

Not voting (4):  Eldrick, Cuth, Shad, Dice

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

CUTH IS AT L-1

 

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 5:59 AM, Shad_ said:

last two scum in BFG DPR Eldrick Dice?  maaaaaaaaybe Killanos? but I'm not really feeling it, can look at them again tomorrow

  

  On 6/10/2017 at 6:03 AM, Shad_ said:

oh hi Cuth

 

u scum?

 

 

Shad's lack of actual involvement on Cuth's lynch noted.

 

A lot of discussion, but it feels like he didn't want to hammer.

 

 

We were never not lynching Cuth and if people actually started to buy his flailing to a point where it could actually move the lynch elsewhere, I would have put a hard stop to that.  Again, I am not an idiot and people assuming that I am a bottom tier stupid wolf accounts for half the arguments against me.  I have two options in this scenario:

 

I can speed hammer him and end the phase early even though Sooh won't be able to post a flip for many hours.

 

Or I can use the time to finish catching up and leave it open for you to start playing the game (you'd just subbed in) and for anyone else to use the time available to us productively.

 

If you suss me every time I don't participate in a lynch that's a foregone conclusion and that I agree with, you're going to lynch me in most games because I will play out a phase if I feel that I can use the time productively.

[Adella]

Shad, you may not like it, but I do happen to agree that anyone who isn't town is against us. If we Lynch townie for a couple of days then she could easily swap sides again. We don't know for sure if she is telling the truth, and even if she is that doesn't mean she is being honest about her win conditions or anything else. This is a game full of twisting words and lies, and it's our job to sort through them. Your whole basis on DPR being scum is based in BFG telling the truth and that doesn't make sense to me.

[Shad_]

  On 6/13/2017 at 1:59 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Can you give a point of him doing that that isn't his approach to bfg? Because I get his stance on that and agree with the premise, just not the timing.

 

Off the top of my morning head our conversation was all revolving around the BFG discussion.  There were a lot of side points to that involved, like his insistence that Sooh would intentionally run a highly unbalanced game just to catch us off guard and spinning it on me for insisting she wouldn't, and his immediate accusation slinging at the notion that a doctor could lock in the slot as scum.  I've got like 15 minutes and then I don't think I'm going to be back before EoD so I can't offer you a comprehensive overview beyond what I laid out in real time yesterday.

[Cass]

  On 6/13/2017 at 12:51 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Cass. What are your reads?

 

If you want reads they're currently

 

Shanti - She's either Town or D2 was Crunkus-level AtE AND a gambit that 

 

DPR/Dice/Killanos/Adella/Shad/Alf-Eldrick

 

BFG - played more Townsided this phase since claim ?independent/will switch

 

 

I have a page of thoughts and notes but it's essentially indecision on Shad/DPR/Dice, Possi-Tinfoil on Killanos/Adella - Adella I haven't ISO'd, and for your slot fighting the notion that Alf was probably scummy so you are too.

[Shad_]

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:03 PM, Adella said:

Shad, you may not like it, but I do happen to agree that anyone who isn't town is against us. If we Lynch townie for a couple of days then she could easily swap sides again. We don't know for sure if she is telling the truth, and even if she is that doesn't mean she is being honest about her win conditions or anything else. This is a game full of twisting words and lies, and it's our job to sort through them. Your whole basis on DPR being scum is based in BFG telling the truth and that doesn't make sense to me.

 

My case against DPR has nothing to do with BFG herself.

 

My case against DPR has to do with him exploiting a disagreement to sling dirt, dropping wildly improbable set-up spec to patch his reasoning together, refusing to answer my questions, telling everybody that I was ignoring his questions when I had in detail and was showing him that I had in detail, and continually ramping up this approach the more it seemed that players were buying it.  Town try to solve the game, not adamantly defend the correctness of their stance and spin comments showing its clear fallacy into an excuse to push someone.

 

I've been pretty clear about this.

[DPR]

  On 6/13/2017 at 1:54 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 6:48 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:47 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:11 AM, Adella said:

What are your thoughts in Dice? If people aren't going to agree on DPR, can we agree elsewhere? If DOR is scum, he isn't the only one left in the game. You've got to have another option.

I've had DPR/Dice as most likely scum team all phase. Dice is fairly consensus so that one's getting resolved regardless. DPR needs attention.

I really don't see DPR as scum, but also firmly believe you and Dice aren't teammates.

 

Would be willing to move back to dice. If he does flip scum, I'd take a closer look at DPR

 

 

DPR could insist we need to lynch an Innocent Child and everyone would call him town.  (Wouldn't be surprised if this has actually happened lol.)

 

When you apply a bunch of highly illogical arguments and you're shown why they don't work and your reaction is to double down and use the correction to push the person thinking it through rather than reconsidering, something is wrong.  I don't understand why this always gets a pass from him unless people just don't stop and think through what he's saying.  It would be like if when you first got into the game and said Cuth was revealing as scum because he said Shanti's not bussing him, and I pointed out that you can't bus a villager, and you said "ROFL you're a liar, look everyone Shad is defending the guy with a red cop peek!!!" instead of admitting I'm right and acknowledging that I'm obviously not stupid enough to defend a red peek as any alignment.  Do you follow?  DPR's been pulling that type of stunt all phase, because it appears to work for him.  Everyone just says they don't see him as scum, I haven't heard a reason beyond "gut" or just a blanket statement that he's town.

 

 

But people have given reasons and you choose not to acknowledge them. Whether that's because you are scum pushing an agenda or you've just got your wires all crossed up is what remains to be proven. My best bet is scum because for all of your logic, you have crossed over into emotional territory.

 

You can't be all about team play while trying to tell everybody else on the team that they're wrong. 

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 1:55 PM, Shad_ said:

I legitimately think people are just intimidated by him.  Otherwise there would be explanations not lazy town reads.

 

 

This is a good example of the emotional territory I'm talking about: it has nothing to do with evidence, nothing to do with gameplay and nothing to do with anyone else's observation. Instead, it is a very simple and blatant attempt to insert doubt into people's thoughts, and you're stooping to a very silly level to try and pass it off.

 

If we take a show of hands of people that are "intimidated" by me, I'm certain you'll be disappointed - 'cause it's gonna be zero. 

[DPR]

Based on our delightful repartee':

 

[v] Shad [/v]

[Cass]

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:07 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 1:59 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Can you give a point of him doing that that isn't his approach to bfg? Because I get his stance on that and agree with the premise, just not the timing.

 

Off the top of my morning head our conversation was all revolving around the BFG discussion.  There were a lot of side points to that involved, like his insistence that Sooh would intentionally run a highly unbalanced game just to catch us off guard and spinning it on me for insisting she wouldn't, and his immediate accusation slinging at the notion that a doctor could lock in the slot as scum.  I've got like 15 minutes and then I don't think I'm going to be back before EoD so I can't offer you a comprehensive overview beyond what I laid out in real time yesterday.

 

 

Italics is something I noted, but it goes against both of you imo.

 

@Shad - Before you go.

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 1:59 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 12:24 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 5:46 AM, Cass said:

Skimmed to 1700 here from where I was yesterday.

 

 

 

Feeling like the BFG/setup debate has been pushed ad nauseum and to the distraction of further scum-hunting. 

I feel like the TLDR version is:

 

BFG has made a claim to be not-Town.

Town never makes that claim, it's possible she's Scum/3P but ?more likely she's 3p.

That is not likely to be an imminent threat to Town.

 

 

There's an argument for lynching BFG

- She's claimed not Town - Town never makes that claim. She either wins with Town/independently or she is scum. 

- I don't trust that she wins with Town

 

There's an argument for not lynching BFG 

- If her claim is true, mafia most need to lynch BFG here.

 

 

 

 

DPR's primary focus is lynching BFG.

Shad's primary focus is lynching DPR.

 

Shad and DPR are going hammer and tongs over mechanics/BFG related chat. Possibly passion, possibly wolfy on either/both parts, distracting and circular either way.

 

 

Cass (or anybody really), why the bold? Seems like the exact opposite to me - As scum, I leave BFG on the board FTW. Please explain.

 

I'd also like to add a bit of perspective re the rest of the game. 

 

* I don't feel like anything has been pushed "ad nauseum". To me, things have progressed at a fairly normal and unexcited pace and the people pushing for emo overload are just trying to paint a narrative.

 

* Shad's emo is unnecessary and is exactly what I describe above. He's not worried about people agreeing with him - he's a statistician ffs. He's trying to push a lynch and frustrated because he can't pull it off.

 

* I mentioned Shanti throwing a fit. It was in regard to her post toward me chastising me for not moving my vote to Shad right away. For clarity, my comment to her that she should relax speaks to the fact that I've seen good players fuzz up their own radar with too much emo, and I saw her stepping into this territory. It should be avoided. Common sense dictates that I'll move my vote out of self preservation, but we still have plenty of time for discussion and that is what will benefit Town the most.

 

* Given that we have 4 trains all tied at 2 votes, I think it's fair to say that there is a bit of uncertainty lingering... Uncertainty leads to mislynches. I see postings asking players to imagine their leans are town instead of scum, but consider this instead: don't imagine anything. Go with what you know. Lynch the admitted non-town player and increase town's odds of hitting scum tomorrow - it's just that simple. 

 

I'm here for a bit to answer q's. 

 

 

 

WRT to question on the first bold - I was working on the "If her claim is true - ie if she can only win with Town"

 

Given further thought that I think she's most likely to be independent and have to switch for wincon, it doesn't necessarily apply?

 

 

@Shad?

 

IIRC you brought up/explain that fact, plus mention that she's playing with the wind out of her sails?

 

 

Why lynch DPR over her today?

 

[Adella]

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:13 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:03 PM, Adella said:

Shad, you may not like it, but I do happen to agree that anyone who isn't town is against us. If we Lynch townie for a couple of days then she could easily swap sides again. We don't know for sure if she is telling the truth, and even if she is that doesn't mean she is being honest about her win conditions or anything else. This is a game full of twisting words and lies, and it's our job to sort through them. Your whole basis on DPR being scum is based in BFG telling the truth and that doesn't make sense to me.

My case against DPR has nothing to do with BFG herself.

 

My case against DPR has to do with him exploiting a disagreement to sling dirt, dropping wildly improbable set-up spec to patch his reasoning together, refusing to answer my questions, telling everybody that I was ignoring his questions when I had in detail and was showing him that I had in detail, and continually ramping up this approach the more it seemed that players were buying it. Town try to solve the game, not adamantly defend the correctness of their stance and spin comments showing its clear fallacy into an excuse to push someone.

 

I've been pretty clear about this.

Ok, I get that you feel you have been clear, but at least for me this is what has sunk in. So maybe it's not as clear to the rest of us?

[Cass]

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Based on our delightful repartee':

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

Same question - Why Shad over BFG if she's known non-Town and likely to switch?

[DPR]

...and because I have to make meetings and my vote on BFG is wasted... everybody knows the drill. He's my #1 pick for his terrible, terrible logic and play

[Shad_]

  On 6/13/2017 at 9:55 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:07 AM, Shad_ said:

not a shocker but links on the front page imply game will go at least until d5 aka there are 3 scum whatever BFG is

This is gaming the mod and a horrible assumption. It's much more likely that Sooh is just being prepared.

 

If there are 3 scum and we lynch one today and one tomorrow, we win on d4.

 

 

lol it also shows I can't count to 4.

 

Yeah that was a stupid post.  I blame the booze.