[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[BFG]

Was expecting this from Dice

 

No I haven't said I have to side with town, I've said I can't scumside at mylo/lylo, because I'm out of the game before that point, so scum cannot force me to win with them

 

I literally can not be mafia after this claim, I cannot be independent with anything other than this wincon because I gave guaranteed I die before I win and therefore played directly against wincon

 

lynching me is a waste of time that doesn't help town win, but does help mafia

[BFG]

Kronos, you're possibly my second strongest town read atp, really hoping you're town <3

[BFG]

  On 6/7/2017 at 7:57 PM, Adella said:

I'm still having a hard time with people saying I've posted nothing but fluff. Most of my posts have been game related. This is D1 there isn't much to go on. Either you're town who just won't accept a different playstyle, or you're scum trying to discredit me already.

Did you follow through with this?

[dicetosser1]

  On 6/11/2017 at 8:58 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 9:47 AM, dicetosser1 said:

ones a question.

ones a response/description to YOUR response

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 9:58 AM, dicetosser1 said:

the point was to find out WHY you didnt respond to a vote that was out of the blue and for no reason and before u were even in the game

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 10:08 AM, dicetosser1 said:

oh im not saying you didnt answer

 

im saying i liked the first and then u ruined that impression

I vaguely know this is addressed, but the conversation makes no sense to me

 

Dice can you explain what the difference is, or why it's important? Other people didn't respond to joke votes, why weren't they important?

 

 

those other people werent MY joke vote. thats the difference.

 

also there was initially a mix up  i thought he responded straight away to me. he then clarified that what i thought was a response wasnt. So i started asking.

 

 

copied these out of Kronos post   hope dm doesnt screw up

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 9:18 AM, Alfred Jodocus said:

 

dicetosser1, on 07 Jun 2017 - 7:15 PM, said:

  On 6/7/2017 at 9:15 AM, dicetosser1 said:

so u dont respond to votes on melmac Alf??

 

what gives? too busy chasing cats?

 

Was there something to respond to ?

 

I started to give this post points

 

 

Alfred Jodocus, on 07 Jun 2017 - 7:30 PM, said:

  On 6/7/2017 at 9:30 AM, Alfred Jodocus said:

 

 

 

 

dicetosser1, on 07 Jun 2017 - 7:15 PM, said:

  On 6/7/2017 at 9:15 AM, dicetosser1 said:

so u dont respond to votes on melmac Alf??

 

what gives? too busy chasing cats?

 

Was there something to respond to ?

yeah  a vote straight out of the gate

 

But it was a vote before I even posted, with no actual reasoning.

So, again, was there something to respond to ?

Cause I'm not seeing it if there is.

 

 

blue me asking why he didnt respond and teasing his name a bit

 

his initial response was the red which i liked the attitude of.

 

i point out there was something to poke him a little and get the green. The green I didnt like the tone of. It lost him the points that he gained with the attitude in the first response.

 

get it?

 

 

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 10:35 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 7:44 PM, dicetosser1 said:

there any decent reasons?

What was your read on Alf atp? (end day 1)

 

 

 

town lean  dont see scum who is new to the boards making those responses. Not completely sold but leaning

 

 

 

 

not too sure how kronos gets avoidance. people ask i answer  so what avoidance?

[BFG]

Ok, end Day 1

 

I'm pretty confident in town reads on Shanti (although that's mostly from what I remember of Day 2 lol) and Kronos/Killer

 

I would be surprised if Shads scum, and I yoyo on Cass, but maybe lean town more often.

 

Dice is focusing on stuff that doesn't seem important, but post from Cuth poking him. The only time I've seen Cuth as mafia he was reluctant to bus/poke his teammate, but people tend to play 2 player teams differently, so I don't know what he's like with distancing

 

Null on Adella, need to see how she interacts with people later

 

DPR/Alfdrick haven't posted much of substance atp

[dicetosser1]

  On 6/11/2017 at 10:51 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 7:57 PM, Sooh said:

Vote count:

 

Alfred (2): Shad, Adella

Killanos (1): Darthe

Shad (1): Dice

Darthe (2):Cass, Killanos

LZM (2): Cuthanyn, Shanti

 

Not voting (5): Tigraine, DreadPirateRoberts, Alfred Jodocus, BFG, LZM

 

I don't understand why Dices vote is on Shad at this point. The stated reason was because Shad posted a which Shad could maybe do one day as mafia. He's spent longer interrogating Alf, so I don't understand why he didn't switch

 

I know dice can pick up stuff I don't think is important, but??? I struggle thinking he thinks any of this is important

 

 

I would have changed at eod for consolidation but i ran out of time trying to catch up.

 

As for voting shad not alf see my above post about alf and if i think shads a wolf why would i not vote him? I STILL think hes a wolf, i just cant be bothered yelling at people to just be ignored.

 

oh and btw  the alf things probably longer because he was actually here at the time so it was back and forth

[BFG]

Dice I don't ~get it, but I can accept that there's nothing to answer except tone :/

 

I don't have a problem with you voting Shad, but I don't understand why you'd let a lynch go random between 2 people you were presumably null on and one it looked like you were scum reading, although I accept your clarification

 

Not sure town! you drops a scum read for ??? reasons, will have to see you/Shad Day 2 to see if I'm missing something

[dicetosser1]

i had no intention of letting it go random. i was trying to reread a couple of pages as asked by cass and didnt realise i took too long. 

 

as for seeming to scum read   tbh i REALLY dont get how u lot are making that assumption. I went back and forth with him a little but there was no vehemence to it.  i didnt push him thruout the day so i dont get how those who have played with me a lot figure i had him as anything less then null really.

 

 

and you wont see a whole lot of pushing shad on D2 bfg  as stated before im not in the mood to just scream at the sky uselessly.

[DPR]

  On 6/11/2017 at 10:56 PM, BFG said:

Was expecting this from Dice

 

No I haven't said I have to side with town, I've said I can't scumside at mylo/lylo, because I'm out of the game before that point, so scum cannot force me to win with them

 

I literally can not be mafia after this claim, I cannot be independent with anything other than this wincon because I gave guaranteed I die before I win and therefore played directly against wincon

 

lynching me is a waste of time that doesn't help town win, but does help mafia

 

 

How does it help the mafia? 

 

You told Shad you will be removed form the game after the F6 wincon is met - your removal means your alignment is neutral and you wouldn't count as a Town vote now, so you don't help or hurt us vote wise.

 

Your death will confirm setup info, as I mentioned before, so that will help. If you do turn out to be 3P, we can be reasonable certain we have 2 mafia left. That helps the town.

 

So how does your death help the Mafia? Or hurt the Town?

[Cass]

  On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:54 PM, Shanti said:

Now that I have those 2 out of the way, I'll start down list on pg one. Which means Shad would be next....Shad, however, has 11 pages of content so that may take me a while. >.<

I don't think anyone else in this game has quite that many..I think I'm second with 7 pages.... But mine is easy cuz... Shanti- Vanilla Town. So I'm going to go to DreadPirateRoberts next. 

 

DreadPirateRoberts- Not a whole lot of content to read for you due to absence. (I really hope things are well with your Grandmother and hope your son is feeling better with it all). I also have no prior game experience with you, so your ISO is all I will have to go on. 

You are the one that called out the Shad/Dice exchange as bad posting with Shad not pursing it the way you thought he would have. I have no prior game experience with Shad, but I'll keep that observation in mind. So far looks good for you, though. 

 

Nynaeve, on 07 Jun 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:24 PM, Nynaeve said:

Dice's exchange with sir alfred read awkward. I still don't quite get the exchange. But to be fairi read it loosely. So an eyebrow raise

 

 

Good point and a concern. It was a weird point for Dice to get that excited about. I've liked other play that I've seen, but his back and forth with Alfred will need to be explained.

 

@ Dice - Will you explain why you chose this point to be very active about? You posted about it more than anything else, so it's obviously important to you.

 

Here you showed you're trying to game solve without being over the top about it, so another good look for you.

Honestly, other than your wrong insight to CuthaNyn being scum (you claimed they weren't, told ya so on that one btw), I'm not seeing any scumming evidence for you. You seemed to be really wary of Shad and of Shad/Dice exchanges, in light of my ISO on dice and whatnot, I would like to hear where you stand regarding them both now?

 

How do you feel about dice?

How do you feel about Shad?

How do you feel about dice/shad interactions?

 

 

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake. 

 

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight. 

 

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

1. What do you make of Alfred/Eldrick?

 

2. GTH you have to shoot Shad or I right now, where do you aim?

 

3. Can you dig into what you like/don't like about my own play here?

 

I'll pull quotes and dig into this later after sleep but last I recall, you had my suspicion of Cuth as buddying/a good look for Scum-me v. Town-him, and IMO avoided commenting on the possibility of it being the other way around when I questioned (FoS at you!).

[DPR]

  On 6/11/2017 at 11:32 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 6:42 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:54 PM, Shanti said:

Now that I have those 2 out of the way, I'll start down list on pg one. Which means Shad would be next....Shad, however, has 11 pages of content so that may take me a while. >.<

I don't think anyone else in this game has quite that many..I think I'm second with 7 pages.... But mine is easy cuz... Shanti- Vanilla Town. So I'm going to go to DreadPirateRoberts next. 

 

DreadPirateRoberts- Not a whole lot of content to read for you due to absence. (I really hope things are well with your Grandmother and hope your son is feeling better with it all). I also have no prior game experience with you, so your ISO is all I will have to go on. 

You are the one that called out the Shad/Dice exchange as bad posting with Shad not pursing it the way you thought he would have. I have no prior game experience with Shad, but I'll keep that observation in mind. So far looks good for you, though. 

 

Nynaeve, on 07 Jun 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:24 PM, Nynaeve said:

Dice's exchange with sir alfred read awkward. I still don't quite get the exchange. But to be fairi read it loosely. So an eyebrow raise

 

Good point and a concern. It was a weird point for Dice to get that excited about. I've liked other play that I've seen, but his back and forth with Alfred will need to be explained.

 

@ Dice - Will you explain why you chose this point to be very active about? You posted about it more than anything else, so it's obviously important to you.

 

Here you showed you're trying to game solve without being over the top about it, so another good look for you.

Honestly, other than your wrong insight to CuthaNyn being scum (you claimed they weren't, told ya so on that one btw), I'm not seeing any scumming evidence for you. You seemed to be really wary of Shad and of Shad/Dice exchanges, in light of my ISO on dice and whatnot, I would like to hear where you stand regarding them both now?

 

How do you feel about dice?

How do you feel about Shad?

How do you feel about dice/shad interactions?

 

 

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake. 

 

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight. 

 

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them.

1. What do you make of Alfred/Eldrick?

 

2. GTH you have to shoot Shad or I right now, where do you aim?

 

3. Can you dig into what you like/don't like about my own play here?

 

I'll pull quotes and dig into this later after sleep but last I recall, you had my suspicion of Cuth as buddying/a good look for Scum-me v. Town-him, and IMO avoided commenting on the possibility of it being the other way around when I questioned (FoS at you!).

 

 

 

1. Alfred was a non-event and then bailed. Eldrick hasn't done anything that moves me either way yet. 

 

2 & 3 - I'm not trying to be a pain in the a$$, but I really do want to rr. Then I'll have plenty to say. I'm trying to block out some time tonight. 

 

FWIW, I haven't played with many of you much at all and I don't go back and read games - meta ain't that big a part of my hunt. I do jot down notes and draw lines connecting motivations and I have you, Shad and BFG connects the most on D1. I'll pull posts on the rr. 

[DPR]

I'll also probably switch back to my usual colors. I keep looking for my posts...

[BFG]

  On 6/11/2017 at 11:28 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 10:56 PM, BFG said:

Was expecting this from Dice

 

No I haven't said I have to side with town, I've said I can't scumside at mylo/lylo, because I'm out of the game before that point, so scum cannot force me to win with them

 

I literally can not be mafia after this claim, I cannot be independent with anything other than this wincon because I gave guaranteed I die before I win and therefore played directly against wincon

 

lynching me is a waste of time that doesn't help town win, but does help mafia

 

How does it help the mafia?

 

You told Shad you will be removed form the game after the F6 wincon is met - your removal means your alignment is neutral and you wouldn't count as a Town vote now, so you don't help or hurt us vote wise.

 

Your death will confirm setup info, as I mentioned before, so that will help. If you do turn out to be 3P, we can be reasonable certain we have 2 mafia left. That helps the town.

 

So how does your death help the Mafia? Or hurt the Town?

Town aren't helped because I'm not mafia and they need to lynch mafia to win. Fullstop. If you lynch me you go to night and lose a town that is threatening mafia somehow. And start tomorrow with no new information. Yes I'm confirmed survivor, but that is already by far the most likely explanation, because I've commited suicide as anything other than what I've claimed and I'm bad as mafia, but I'm not dumb

 

Mafia is helped because they go to night and get to kill someone threatening them

 

This shouldn't be confusing because it should be obvious that I'm always self resolving at this point

 

Numbers wise it makes ~little difference in terms of mislynches unless there's a doc/rb/jk/other role that can prevent the kill (and if you think I'm lying you have to believe there is one)

 

At the moment it's 6v2v1 lynch me and you go to 5v2, 3v2 and a doc protect leaves you at mylo instead of lylo, so after me you have 3 lynches to kill all mafia.

 

If you don't lynch me and I'm removed at F6, a doc protect gains you a mislynch/increases your chances of winning and I'm still resolved

[BFG]

Its 1am here so I'm out for the night, will have to go through day 2 tomorrow evening <3

[BFG]

DPR, I don't particularly want to go in circles, why do you keep avoiding the simple fact that I've signed by death warrant if I'm mafia?

[BFG]

For the sk theory, we're 3 kills short for that to be plausible and an sk F6 solo win with bpv would become extremely difficult for town or mafia to win

[DPR]

  On 6/11/2017 at 11:52 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 11:28 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 10:56 PM, BFG said:

Was expecting this from Dice

 

No I haven't said I have to side with town, I've said I can't scumside at mylo/lylo, because I'm out of the game before that point, so scum cannot force me to win with them

 

I literally can not be mafia after this claim, I cannot be independent with anything other than this wincon because I gave guaranteed I die before I win and therefore played directly against wincon

 

lynching me is a waste of time that doesn't help town win, but does help mafia

 

How does it help the mafia?

 

You told Shad you will be removed form the game after the F6 wincon is met - your removal means your alignment is neutral and you wouldn't count as a Town vote now, so you don't help or hurt us vote wise.

 

Your death will confirm setup info, as I mentioned before, so that will help. If you do turn out to be 3P, we can be reasonable certain we have 2 mafia left. That helps the town.

 

So how does your death help the Mafia? Or hurt the Town?

Town aren't helped because I'm not mafia and they need to lynch mafia to win. Fullstop. If you lynch me you go to night and lose a town that is threatening mafia somehow. And start tomorrow with no new information. Yes I'm confirmed survivor, but that is already by far the most likely explanation, because I've commited suicide as anything other than what I've claimed and I'm bad as mafia, but I'm not dumb

 

Mafia is helped because they go to night and get to kill someone threatening them

 

This shouldn't be confusing because it should be obvious that I'm always self resolving at this point

 

Numbers wise it makes ~little difference in terms of mislynches unless there's a doc/rb/jk/other role that can prevent the kill (and if you think I'm lying you have to believe there is one)

 

At the moment it's 6v2v1 lynch me and you go to 5v2, 3v2 and a doc protect leaves you at mylo instead of lylo, so after me you have 3 lynches to kill all mafia.

 

If you don't lynch me and I'm removed at F6, a doc protect gains you a mislynch/increases your chances of winning and I'm still resolved

 

 

 

Help me to simplify this - numbers wise it doesn't make a difference if you're 3P and you swing because you're not Town. Say your claim is true - you don't count as Town right now, so even though we have 9 players on the board, it might as well be 8 for the sake of the Town - right? 

 

If we lynch you today, we get rid of a guaranteed threat to Town. We don't have to speed-lynch you. We can talk about everything, give the day it's due and squeeze the info down to the last drop, but you ain't gonna get anyone past the point that with anyone else, we're taking a chance on a mislynch. With you, we get that guaranteed non-town. 

 

Fullstop.

 

We also get the info of whether you're what you say or Mafia. 

 

The we get the info of the NK. 

 

Town starts D4 knowing a lot more than we do today. Simples. And we didn't cost ourselves a thing in the process, because you ain't Town.

[DPR]

  On 6/11/2017 at 11:58 PM, BFG said:

DPR, I don't particularly want to go in circles, why do you keep avoiding the simple fact that I've signed by death warrant if I'm mafia?

 

Because I don't relish leaving a threat hanging around. And I think you're lying. 

[BFG]

Dice regarding your challenge to Eldrick looking for a wolf game of nyns in which she's claimed wolf out the gate, can you do the same with Shad?

[BFG]

Lol

[DPR]

  On 6/12/2017 at 12:02 AM, BFG said:

For the sk theory, we're 3 kills short for that to be plausible and an sk F6 solo win with bpv would become extremely difficult for town or mafia to win

 

This is nonsense - you're just throwing junk out wherever you can to distract. You scum 

[BFG]

  On 6/12/2017 at 12:05 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 11:58 PM, BFG said:

DPR, I don't particularly want to go in circles, why do you keep avoiding the simple fact that I've signed by death warrant if I'm mafia?

Because I don't relish leaving a threat hanging around. And I think you're lying.

your argument is that I purposefully out myself for no reason

 

Got it

[DPR]

  On 6/12/2017 at 12:06 AM, BFG said:

Dice regarding your challenge to Eldrick looking for a wolf game of nyns in which she's claimed wolf out the gate, can you do the same with Shad?

 

More nonsense - anyone can post an emoji or make a snappy comment. There was an earlier post where Shad said "I do my work by night", but no one is tin foiling that yet...

 

You've gone full-aliens on us. 

[BFG]

  On 6/12/2017 at 12:08 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 12:02 AM, BFG said:

For the sk theory, we're 3 kills short for that to be plausible and an sk F6 solo win with bpv would become extremely difficult for town or mafia to win

This is nonsense - you're just throwing junk out wherever you can to distract. You scum

No? Dice brought up the possibility that I'm SK, I'm pointing out the problems with that scenario

[DPR]

  On 6/12/2017 at 12:10 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 12:05 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 11:58 PM, BFG said:

DPR, I don't particularly want to go in circles, why do you keep avoiding the simple fact that I've signed by death warrant if I'm mafia?

Because I don't relish leaving a threat hanging around. And I think you're lying.

your argument is that I purposefully out myself for no reason

 

Got it

 

 

My argument is that you are fighting, rather vehemently, for us to let you live.

 

Sounds a lot like scum to me.