[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[DPR]

 

Meta is the culmination of all of your characterstics that some people use to divine your alignment. 

 

"She is peppy when she is Town" or "He tends to post less when he is scum"... these are simplified versions of meta.

 

The Oldster set uses the term "scum hunting" and approaches the game from a "look for teh bad stuff" that points to scum. It's evidence based.

 

The New Gen uses the "clear town first" method. they rely heavily on meta and reading past games to develop a profile. It's probability based.

 

The problem, as I see it, is that it's easy to change your meta... all you have to do is zig when you were supposed to zag, and you got everyone fooled. 

 

There are arguments to be made for both styles and truth be told, everyone uses a combo of both to an extent.

Basically this, the counterargument being the vast majority of players have certain characteristics that they just can't change even if they want to, vs evidence only carries so far because villagers can be drastically wrong and some are just naturally disposed to what would generically be scummy behavior.

 

Also might add that meta does not necessarily require past experience with the individual player.  You can start to detect patterns that hold true among people who think similarly. 

 

 

 

Man, if you're good enough to start detecting patterns among players who you've noticed think like you do, you are definitely smart enough to change your own meta up.

[Songstress]

(Mod helper while sleep is happening...)

 

Vote count (unchanged):
 
Cuth (4): Shanti, Killanos, Tigraine, BFG
 
Eldrick (1): Cass
 
Shanti (1): Adella
 
Not voting (5):  DreadPirateRoberts, Eldrick, Cuth, Shad, Dice
 
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
 

[Shanti]

Tress!!!!!! Hi.

 

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[DPR]

So we're basically just waiting to vote so that everyone has a chance to read and comment before the thread gets shut down, yes? 

 

Who else are we waiting on?

[DPR]

Ima put it at L1.

 

Vote: Cuth

[Songstress]

Tress!!!!!! Hi.

 

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[Adella]

Thread gets shut down?? o.O

 

I am absolutely willing to vote Cuth to test Tigs, but I would like to hear from everyone since we have time.

[Adella]

We have over 17 hours, I would ask that we don't hammer to give people the chance to catch up.

[Songstress]

Vote count:
 
Cuth (5): Shanti, Killanos, Tigraine, BFG, DreadPirateRoberts
 
Eldrick (1): Cass
 
Shanti (1): Adella
 
Not voting (4):  Eldrick, Cuth, Shad, Dice
 
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

CUTH IS AT L-1
 

[Shad_]

We have over 17 hours, I would ask that we don't hammer to give people the chance to catch up.

This

[Shad_]

I'm cool with a hammer any time after like 2am EST. I get lazy and inattentive if I can't post while I read.

[Shad_]

Or maybe I just need to type my thoughts to actually solidify them in my mind.

[Shad_]

I dunno. Just don't hammer for a while plz.

[Shad_]

Your input so far has me feeling quite good about you.

I think you're the second person I've seen say this? and I'm not very far into his return. What do you like at that point?

[Adella]

hm

 

maybe cop/doc for town and a bus driver for scum?

 

seems a little townsided

 

or a cop/jk

 

we know there's probably, unless gamethrow-level fakeclaim, a cop

 

and a doc or jk or rb or some assumedly town power role

 

13 players, probably 3 or 4 scum

 

depends on town ratio of prs

 

cop/doc+bus driver or somesuch seems like it'd be more balanced 

 

in which case we'd be looking at very few mislynches

 

hrm

 

it could also be a power-heavy game, in which case this all makes more sense

 

I just remembered that I had a thought on this! I find the bus driver as scum idea very unlikely to have effected the kill... since, you know, they would know who the kill would be targeted at, and they would target someone else.

[Shad_]

 

Ultimately you're reading two individuals instead of one to resolve one slot.  It's necessarily something you have to take on a case by case basis, but hydras are pro town in general in so far as there's more opportunity for a slot to be villagery or slip up.

 

Care to explain this? It confused me. Sorry, but to me it read that in your opinion hydras are more likely to be town?

 

Pro town != town-aligned. Hydras generally provide a slight advantage to town because they are easier to read. You get two baselines.

[Cuth]

 

hm

 

maybe cop/doc for town and a bus driver for scum?

 

seems a little townsided

 

or a cop/jk

 

we know there's probably, unless gamethrow-level fakeclaim, a cop

 

and a doc or jk or rb or some assumedly town power role

 

13 players, probably 3 or 4 scum

 

depends on town ratio of prs

 

cop/doc+bus driver or somesuch seems like it'd be more balanced 

 

in which case we'd be looking at very few mislynches

 

hrm

 

it could also be a power-heavy game, in which case this all makes more sense

 

I just remembered that I had a thought on this! I find the bus driver as scum idea very unlikely to have effected the kill... since, you know, they would know who the kill would be targeted at, and they would target someone else.

 

yes, not the kill

 

the cop result

 

it's the only thing that really makes sense wrt balance

[Adella]

Bus driver would have prevented any result, not given a false negative.

[Cuth]

i get that lynching me is probably the right play, but majjing, especially this early is squarely the wrong play

 

completely

 

in every way

 

it is pro-town to talk about this for as long as possible

 

also to let me get some words out before my flip

[Shad_]

 

hm

 

maybe cop/doc for town and a bus driver for scum?

 

seems a little townsided

 

or a cop/jk

 

we know there's probably, unless gamethrow-level fakeclaim, a cop

 

and a doc or jk or rb or some assumedly town power role

 

13 players, probably 3 or 4 scum

 

depends on town ratio of prs

 

cop/doc+bus driver or somesuch seems like it'd be more balanced 

 

in which case we'd be looking at very few mislynches

 

hrm

 

it could also be a power-heavy game, in which case this all makes more sense

 

I just remembered that I had a thought on this! I find the bus driver as scum idea very unlikely to have effected the kill... since, you know, they would know who the kill would be targeted at, and they would target someone else.

 

Bus driver cancels targeted protective roles if scum has a clue how to use it and Nyn and Cuth are both capable players.

[Cuth]

Bus driver would have prevented any result, not given a false negative.

...no?

 

let's say cop peeks player 7

 

bus driver switches a scum, let's say player 3, and player 7

 

when player 7 is targeted, the result to the cop is scum, from player 3

 

that's the most reasonable suggestion here, outside of more uncommon roles/mechanics

[Shanti]

i get that lynching me is probably the right play, but majjing, especially this early is squarely the wrong play

 

completely

 

in every way

 

it is pro-town to talk about this for as long as possible

 

also to let me get some words out before my flip

For purely entertainment purposes I'm curious what you have to say.

[Shad_]

Bus driver would have prevented any result, not given a false negative.

No, unless my brain is fritzy tonight and it sometimes is irt roles, but there should have been a kill.

[Shad_]

I guess it could happen if scum don't know what they're doing.

[Adella]

My bad! I had bus driver and jail keeper mixed up. I researched and retract my statements. Bus driver would absolutely have switched the find. It's just about the only way you could still claim to be town at this point, so it's a smart role to bring up if you are scum.

 

I'm ready to hammer, but obviously still wanting to hear from everyone.