[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

[Nynaeve]

im putting ed as confirmed town

 

see the blue  I did what he did N1  i hacked killa BUT i never got given ANYTHING. in fact i had to ask if i was getting a result

 

So... you're saying Killa got double tapped? >.>

[Nynaeve]

i have a theory   if a hacker hacks a hacker they get a QT   Tig and i hacked each other last night apparently   way to waste a hack...

 

 

now someone explain to me how  if tigs is a cop  and hackers cause QTs  does any other power roles go to non hackers?

 

 

 

i had killa as tentative town because i went there n1 and there seemed to be a block in the write ups so i thought maybe i was the doc  but that just went out the window i think.

 

 

So you thought you protected Killa by hacking her?

[DPR]

This is crazy - 

 

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles! 

 

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

 

Please answer these questions:

 

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

 

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

 

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering. 

 

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that? 

 

Nope. 

 

This is last minute scum scrambling. 

 

Scum team is or is in:

 

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

 

 

 

What do you think of everything I've said about Niniel? 

 

How about you take a crack at the questions I asked.

 

If you asked me questions, I'll get to them.

 

 

 

They're above.

[Nynaeve]

OK so I am at a impass here.

I really think ed dice nin are all town. I think nyn has the greatest chance to flip mafia out of everyone.

 

[V] nyn [/v]

 

O_o

[Nynaeve]

I got one more thing to add and then I'm off to go Pokehunting:

 

No one has talked about this yet, but in light of the role/type conversations it could be important.

 

Adam (D1 lynch) had a robot companion - a Tachikomo. It's in the spoiler under his death scene. 

 

Adam was a cyborg and so was Lenlo, but Lenlo didn't have one.

 

I asked Seph if he had one and he doesn't.

 

Also, I do still have Seph as town. It's the same thing he said about me - we've been game solving since we started the QT, and if he's faking that then hats off to him.

 

Glad we're not keeping you from pokehunting >.>

[Nynaeve]

@DPR those questions are directed at dice. But I'll humor you. irt 1. it's possible. I mean if hacking = the creation of qt then sure, it would be redundant with a dead player but it would depend on the action order shad is following. So I don't know? and irt 2. I've already voiced my opinion about the whole monstr dying cause he visited ed theory. I think it's far fetched. 

[Nynaeve]

I also feel that it's rather convenient that monstr gets nked and then there's a tracking result on him that he's not around to confirm. 

[Nynaeve]

Nin, can you explain the rationale behind choosing to track monstr? Walk me through it.

[Nynaeve]

I can't stay long, gonna go run for a bit. Got a 5k night run on Thursday to prep too. I'll be back as soon as I'm done.

[Shad_]

page bump yo

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Niniel (1) - DPR

 

Not Voting: Seph, Killashandra, Cass, ed2funy, Tigraine, Niniel, Dice, Seph

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Shad_]

 

"I don't get this mission. Aren't we driving straight into a trap?" Togusa glanced out the window as a distant bolt of lightning brought the night sky to life.

 

"Probably," Batou replied without much concern. He'd been in this business too long to feel nervous. "We can follow the lead where it takes us or retire and get desk jobs."

 

The ride carried on in silence, for a time. Spirits were not exactly high in Section 9. Paz had been a close coworker and friend for years, and his death didn't come easy. But they had to carry on. The Major reported some strange observations during the assassination attempt on Daito. The hacked guards went after Section 9 hard, but there were a number of occasions where they might have gotten a clean shot off on the Superintendent-General and simply didn't. After they were subdued, she was able to trace the source of the hack with ease. A hacker that sophisticated should have been able to cover his tracks. It was strange to say the least.

 

"Nothing adds up," Togusa eventually spoke up again. "The Laughing Man is the only person skilled enough to carry out that hack, unless you believe Ishikawa that the Puppet Master might be back," he chuckled. "We might be the only department in Niihama that can be trusted to make good on investigating Serano. If the Laughing Man wanted to contact us, he could have found a better way than killing..." Togusa cut himself off. It was easy to get lost in a case and forget the human element. Paz was dead. That was the hard truth.

 

"Don't be so sure of yourself. It wasn't the Laughing Man," Batou responded bluntly. Kusanagi's confession that the Puppet Master had been trying to contact her remained a private matter. He'd told Aramaki. That was his professional obligation. It was no one else's business. But Togusa needed to know what they were getting into.

 

"So you think we've got the two most skilled criminal hackers in the world butting heads over Serano Genomics. That seems far fetched," Togusa shot back.

 

"It does seem like the Puppet Master is protecting Serano. I'm not sure what to make of that," Batou mused. "Could just be a means to an end."

[Tigraine]

 

How come you changed your mind about me?

 

So you did the same as Ed? Hacked Killa and then holstered?

My fault. I see you hacked Tigs. Why?

I still don't understand this, why he targeted me. I had already revealed that I was cop and hacker and that I didn't get any results N1 so why he would assume he was doc and didn't know it for sure is still beyond me. Not getting any results N1 is no reason to believe it either because again I had already said I didn't get results.

 

However, from what I can tell about everyone's claims except Ninis, no one got results. Could that be becauae she tracked TLM? Did that block all roles?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's what I know:

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

 

Have been skimming through on mobile at work trying to piece things together best I can, day has been busier than expected but we're about to knock off and I should have computer time tonight to gather thoughts/get them out but

 

 

@Ed - What 'stupid message' did you get, and which 'stupid message' of Tigs' are you referring to?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm whether your 'stupid message' was in response to your Hack attempt or your Cop view?

 

 

My understanding was that the message you talk about receiving was in response to the Cop view. Have I missed something out before this?

 

If there has been no other mention of Tigs receiving a 'stupid message', then 

 

*Pokes Ed*

 

Are you a wolf?

 

I´m so happy that you are here.

 

\o/ Yey! 

 

and also

 

 

possiblepocketattemptdenied.gif   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have thoughts on my post? 

 

Ed's claim / the wording wrt 'stupid message'?

 

Knowledge from the first 130something pages that helps confirm/deny whether I've missed something wrt Tig's talk of receiving messages?

 

 

 

First - about my claim.

 

D1: I get my PM. I ask if I can track TLM. I got a yes. 

N1: I decided to track TLM to see if we could get any info.

 

D2: I revealed that TLM didn´t go nowhere. This is true. I said that I was 1X tracker. That was not true. It was just a way to not get killed or blocked. I am limited though, I can´t track for the whole game. 

Tigs revealed and I thought by hinting that I could track more that they would target me instead of her since I think her role is more important than mine. (Well, that is true if we get those reports sometime.)

N2: I tracked Manbat. He visited Ed.

 

 

D3: I told everyone that Manbat had visited Ed. I thought it was really weird that Manbat died the same night that he visited Ed so I pretended to have info about Ed to see what he would say. He only had some link to an empty qt. 

 

Then my assumptions began and I asked you to say what you thought about it. They could be wrong, of course. Actually, some of it seems to be not very good thinking from my side. 

 

I felt that Manbat was a very strange target + I thought he was vanilla. He isn´t, I corrected myself there. But it still remains that he is a strange target. That is why I thought it was so weird that he died visiting Ed. And I had Ed in my poe before that. Like the only one I thought was mafia really. 

 

 

But lets look at what we know.

 

Ed got a link to an empty qt. I need to check when he said that compared to when he got the link. How long had he waited before he said it was empty?

It could be that Manbat hacked him and that´s why he got the qt link. Now I really don´t know how Shad would play that. Would he really give Ed a link if Manbat had died. That seems really strange. I doubt it but I can´t be sure of course. 

 

If that link didn´t kill him then mafia or someone else killed him. We have only had one nk each night. If it´s an "ordinary" nk then Manbat must be on to something. 

 

 

Did I explain myself better this time? 

 

 

Dice, you didn´t trust me since you thought that PR´s should all be trackers. But it seems like trackers have thier own abilities and I´m not a tracker. 

 

 

 

 

I think the logic wrt claiming adds up here, and the avoiding kill thing was something I considered this afternoon reading DPR's mention that she lied/said she was 1-shot, but I'm not sure about the tone, somethingsomething planning feel vs explanation #notknowingNin'splay or the likelihood of a Town Tracker.

 

Initial thoughts were Tracker as a Town role doesn't make sense because it's not mentioned in the sample PMs and OPs say mafia have randomised fake claims. 

This seems a pretty blunt thing to do for attention if scum though, so imo it's either a deliberate distancing tactic or legit.

 

 

 

WRT QTs

 

@Dice - Can you fill us in on what exactly you received wrt the QT Tigs claims to have sent you?

- What time/phase did you receive the notification?

- Is there a title or any indication of who the QT is with to start with?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm what time/part of the phase the QT was opened, and if there's any identifying information?

- Why did you ask Dice why he had a QT?

- Can you pls confirm/ask Shadmod if you don't already know, if it's just your Cop results that get lost/incorrectly returned?

 

@Ed - Can you fill us in / confirm/deny whether Manbat was the other end of your QT?

 

 

Essentially, @everyone - can people confirm whether QTs linked/opened at night, and if you know who they're with?

I believe I received it at the beginning of day phase, I'll have to check to confirm. There was no identifying info other than the link and saying dice received the following communication or something along those lines. I asked in thread because 1) I didn't know that it was just him and I 2) it was the first result in any form or fashion I had received and 3) I thought (like a dumb@$$) that it was part of a mafia qt

 

 

I am still reading what I've missed while sleeping so I will be responding to each post one at a time.

[Tigraine]

OK so I am at a impass here.

I really think ed dice nin are all town. I think nyn has the greatest chance to flip mafia out of everyone.

 

[V] nyn [/v]

 

For everyone that is concerned dpr hacked me n1. I am a cyborg and I am guessing folks like s

Darthe cannot be hacked as he was a human.

 

I thought dpr was town because we were on the same page for most of the game, and me and him were doing quite a bit of gamesolve in the thread.

 

The problem I'm having is if I belive the above it leaves dpr as one of the 3. And the shade he has been throwing a niniel has been disturbing.

 

I don't see her faking this imo. If dpr is the puppet he played me like a fiddle. But I think it's obvious we are linked and there is 0 point in hiding it.

 

Dice is someone I was weary about but him clearing ed looked pretty gamesolvy to me.

 

I'm going to read our qt again

 

I think voting nyn is the best option but we will need to find the puppet eventually and it's between ed, dice dpr.

There goes my TLM theory :(

[Niniel]

@ Nyn - Manbat was in my poe. That is why I chose him. 

 

DPR said that he didn´t send in a N2 action since he wanted to remain in contact with Seph. Tigs, can you check with Shad and see if that is possible. Is it possible for you to do that with Dice?

[Niniel]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may post.

 

 

 

Thats my character on the far right. I guess he wont be used in the little post stories until I get lynched or night killed.

 

Pretty cool set up. Nice Flavor.

 

Good job shad_

 

 

DPR I am not claiming anything ... well in my mind claiming vt is worthless. To me it seems the only claims that matter are the ones that could be figured out with out dying first. lol Which is special roles.

 

 

How many mis lynches can you make plus the night kills and still win? Like zander #themathishard

 

 

I remember you saying earlier that you don't have any knowledge of the source material - I'll have to go back and find that to confirm.

 

But if you did say that, how do you know who your character is?

 

I didn't get a pic in my role PM. 

 

I got a pick in miiiiiine.

 

 

I just checked - i stand corrected - I did get a pic.

 

But it was a single person pic - not a group pic. 

 

 

 

My response to Killa's post previous to this is what prompted her to post the above pic. 

 

When I saw it, the thing that struck me odd was that she had posted the group pic - which I knew I didn't get - and that she pointed out which character was hers, even though it's not labeled. I thought I remembered her saying she wasn't familiar with the source material and it struck me as odd that she'd post the group pic and know which character was hers. I hadn't looked back at my PM since the game started and I don't know the characters either, so I jumped on what I thought was a slip.

 

I was quick to respond, but I shoulda given it a sec and thought it out. 

 

I get that Killa used the pic above to avoid quoting her PM and that the character she talks about is the only one with a beard... 

 

I claimed the mistake. It is what it is. 

 

I still have issues with her confident-yet-unconfident posting style, but that has nothing to do with pics or flavor. Will address along with some fresh takes on D2 after a reread.

 

 

So how did you send in your na? How did you get your link to your and Seph´s qt? 

[Niniel]

I checked the texts and I, Tigs, Dice and Killa are mentioned in the texts. If we are to believe the texts we are all town. But people with cybernetics can obviously be hacked. So I guess that the only one I can really trust is Killa, since she is human. 

 

 

 

I don´t believe that Dice and Ed are on the same team. The reason is because Dice went after Ed when he refused to just say "I´m town". 

 

I still wonder about why Dice questioned me about my claim when his claim just said hacker. If he is telling the truth I can see why he thought he could be the doc but it doesn´t seem to fit since his pm seem to say that he is just hacker. Why would mine say hacker and tracker? 

[Niniel]

 

OK so I am at a impass here.

I really think ed dice nin are all town. I think nyn has the greatest chance to flip mafia out of everyone.

 

[V] nyn [/v]

 

O_o

 

 

This is all you have to say about this vote?

 

You say you had an idea where the cop reports went. What is your idea? 

 

 

I´m trying to keep an open mind but right now it´s hard. It seems like we have a group of DPR/Seph/Nyn that is going after me. 

 

Seph and Nyn hasn´t claimed yet, they and Cass are the only ones that haven´t I think. 

 

If I voted right now I would vote DPR. 

[Tigraine]

I checked the texts and I, Tigs, Dice and Killa are mentioned in the texts. If we are to believe the texts we are all town. But people with cybernetics can obviously be hacked. So I guess that the only one I can really trust is Killa, since she is human.

 

 

 

I don´t believe that Dice and Ed are on the same team. The reason is because Dice went after Ed when he refused to just say "I´m town".

 

I still wonder about why Dice questioned me about my claim when his claim just said hacker. If he is telling the truth I can see why he thought he could be the doc but it doesn´t seem to fit since his pm seem to say that he is just hacker. Why would mine say hacker and tracker?

Your's says hacker and tracker? Is that what you're saying?

[Niniel]

No, mine only say tracker. But Dice questioned my claim and said that pr´s should be hackers as well. But he says that his only says hacker. That is the weird thing. If he would be doc wouldn´t it say doc + hacker?

[Niniel]

What do you think about DPR´s lie - that he hadn´t looked at his pm when he must have had to if he was town?

[Tigraine]

I still don't understand why Five targeted me, I revealed Cop and he had 0 reason to believe he was a doc. I explained what my PM said about being hacker and Am cop, even though I had assumed incorrectly that it was roleblocking. Why would he have any reason to believe he would be doc without him PM saying so? Again, he can't use the no results from N1 excuse as I had explained that I didn't get results as well.

[Tigraine]

What do you think about DPR´s lie - that he hadn´t looked at his pm when he must have had to if he was town?

 

My previous post should've said Dice.

 

Anyway I missed what you are referring to. I will have to go find it.

[Niniel]

I still don't understand why Five targeted me, I revealed Cop and he had 0 reason to believe he was a doc. I explained what my PM said about being hacker and Am cop, even though I had assumed incorrectly that it was roleblocking. Why would he have any reason to believe he would be doc without him PM saying so? Again, he can't use the no results from N1 excuse as I had explained that I didn't get results as well.

 

I wonder about this as well. It doesn´t make sense. 

[Niniel]

 

What do you think about DPR´s lie - that he hadn´t looked at his pm when he must have had to if he was town?

 

My previous post should've said Dice.

 

Anyway I missed what you are referring to. I will have to go find it.

 

 

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