[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

[Niniel]

I checked what happened earlier. Time is CET and is not important in itself, just to see how long time it took.

 

01:51 AM - Shad post what happened during the night. Ed must have been there at the time becuase 7 minutes later he voted Zander for voting Tigs. (I agree that Zander´s vote was strange.) 1 minute later he said that the Manbat kill was strange.

 

PAUS

 

#2626 Dice headdesk at Tig´s question about why he has a qt = hacker claim from Dice?

#2627 Seph joins him = hacker claim from Seph?

 

CONTINUE

 

04:47 AM Ed tells Tigs "that´s what hackers do" and say he is town.

04:27 PM Ed says noone has posted in the qt.

 

 

So the time line looks good. Ed waited 15 hours before he said that noone has posted. At the same time he could have gotten help to come up with a good story?

 

 

[unvote]

[Niniel]

Forgive me for being a bit dumb. Seph is that why you think DPR is town - because you hacked him N1?

[Niniel]

 

"You did the best you could. And the assassination ultimately failed. These things happen." Batou was a hard man, but he felt Section 9's loss as much as anyone else.

 

"There were moments... when they could have gotten off a clean shot on Daito. They were focused on fighting us. The target should have been their primary objective. It wasn't."  Motoko stared into the floor while she spoke, her face expressionless.

 

"I watched the video.  The Superintendent-General looked terrified.  He didn't see this coming," Batou countered.

 

"He's just a puppet anyway.  It was probably easier to leave him in the dark."

 

"You're that certain this was an inside job?"

 

"I traced the hack with ease once the guards were down."  Motoko continued to stare off into space as she spoke.  "It wasn't sloppy.  He just didn't even try to cover his trail.  The Puppet Master wants us to come to him."

 

"The Puppet Master?"  Batou gave her a worried glance, if only for an instant.  "Ishikawa speculated as much, but it was just a hunch.  We have no proof."

 

 

"No, it's him."

 

"How can you be so sure?"

 

"Because he has been calling to me.  He wants me to... join him."

 

"I don't follow."

 

"He seems to think he can merge himself with my cyberbrain.  He thinks mine is the only one advanced enough to accomplish this."

 

"Why?"

 

"He wants to evolve."

 

This is a creepy post. Someone is trying to take over someone else.

 

As I said, we need to check the texts for clues but I don´t think I will get the time until later today since I´m still not at home. 

[Niniel]

If noone claims that they got the reports then maybe:

 

Tigs is right and we need to find some kind of trigger?

 

Mafia got the reports?

 

 

 

 

I´m just trying to collect as much info as we have right now. I hope others can put the pieces together.

 

 

 

DPR and Dice - lynching me doesn´t help. I´m town. You might have oppionions on how I chose to play my role and it might not have been the best way but it is what it is. 

[dicetosser1]

That's my point Dice, Manbat was a hacker so he could've hacked Ed and got the QT but then was killed. Idk how the hack NAs work when the hacker is killed but maybe that's the case. Either way it tells us nothing about Ed's role.

 

it does actually   well i think it does

 

 

 

 

@ed

 

are you a hacker? yes or No.

 

 

i dont want anything else but i want that answer

Yes, I am. Are you?

 

Had a long drive to Texas and then spent some time with Adella before driving some more to meet with friends. Surprising my best friend's mom with a belated birthday lunch tomorrow. Catching up and trying to response to everything that I was skimming while driving. HEP

 

 

ty

 

 

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

 

im putting ed as confirmed town

 

see the blue  I did what he did N1  i hacked killa BUT i never got given ANYTHING. in fact i had to ask if i was getting a result

 

the second one    hes sitting in my brain or something cause i asked the same AND GOT TOLD THE SAME THING.  that detail convinces me.

 

 

i have a theory   if a hacker hacks a hacker they get a QT   Tig and i hacked each other last night apparently   way to waste a hack...

 

 

now someone explain to me how  if tigs is a cop  and hackers cause QTs  does any other power roles go to non hackers?

 

 

 

i had killa as tentative town because i went there n1 and there seemed to be a block in the write ups so i thought maybe i was the doc  but that just went out the window i think.

[dicetosser1]

1. Darthe - Yamaguchi, Town Vanilla Human - Killed N1
2. Sooh manbat - Aoi, Town Hacker - Killed N2

8. Lenlo - Paz, Town Vanilla Cyborg - Lynched D2

13. Adam - Operator, Town Vanilla Cyborg - Lynched D1
 

 

 

3. Dice  Hacker

4. seph  has said NOT hacker
5. Killashandra  claimed vanilla
6. DPR
7. Niniel  claimed tracker    think we are going to have to believe this

9. Nynaeve
10. Zander Cass
11. ed2funy   Hacker
12. Tigraine  Hacker cop

14. Laughing Man

 

so scum in nyn cass killa dpr seph

 

 

im pretty sold on zander being town

 

killa messed up claim kinda screams town  but could be derp mafia i guess

 

 

unvote

 

 

thoughts?

[Niniel]

How come you changed your mind about me?

 

So you did the same as Ed? Hacked Killa and then holstered?

[Niniel]

Why did you think I had to be a hacker to be a pr?

 

Just for the record, you don't have any cop reports?

 

Have your character been mentioned in the texts? Who are you?

 

Will try to read the texts later and do some wiki research.

[Niniel]

How come you changed your mind about me?

 

So you did the same as Ed? Hacked Killa and then holstered?

My fault. I see you hacked Tigs. Why?

[dicetosser1]

How come you changed your mind about me?

 

So you did the same as Ed? Hacked Killa and then holstered?

 

hacked tigs cause i thought i might be a doc role.

 

im Batou  mentioned in this last scene

 

as for why  see the sample pms  they both say vanilla but the hacker is a role. I figured the Hackers were the prs.

[Niniel]

Okay. I get it.

[dicetosser1]

should today be a no lynch people?

[Niniel]

Is a no lynch ever a good thing? One text mentions someone taking over someone else. 

 

 

Can we find all the character names that people have claimed? I want to know them before I search the texts. 

[seph]

OK so I am at a impass here.

I really think ed dice nin are all town. I think nyn has the greatest chance to flip mafia out of everyone.

 

[V] nyn [/v]

 

For everyone that is concerned dpr hacked me n1. I am a cyborg and I am guessing folks like s

Darthe cannot be hacked as he was a human.

 

I thought dpr was town because we were on the same page for most of the game, and me and him were doing quite a bit of gamesolve in the thread.

 

The problem I'm having is if I belive the above it leaves dpr as one of the 3. And the shade he has been throwing a niniel has been disturbing.

 

I don't see her faking this imo. If dpr is the puppet he played me like a fiddle. But I think it's obvious we are linked and there is 0 point in hiding it.

 

Dice is someone I was weary about but him clearing ed looked pretty gamesolvy to me.

 

I'm going to read our qt again

 

I think voting nyn is the best option but we will need to find the puppet eventually and it's between ed, dice dpr.

[Niniel]

Dice is Batou. 

I´m Togusa.

[Niniel]

 

 

 

 

 

You may post.

 

 

 

Thats my character on the far right. I guess he wont be used in the little post stories until I get lynched or night killed.

 

Pretty cool set up. Nice Flavor.

 

Good job shad_

 

 

DPR I am not claiming anything ... well in my mind claiming vt is worthless. To me it seems the only claims that matter are the ones that could be figured out with out dying first. lol Which is special roles.

 

 

How many mis lynches can you make plus the night kills and still win? Like zander #themathishard

 

 

I remember you saying earlier that you don't have any knowledge of the source material - I'll have to go back and find that to confirm.

 

But if you did say that, how do you know who your character is?

 

I didn't get a pic in my role PM. 

 

 

My did. It says his name is Ishikawa and that is a vanilla human town aligned

 

[seph]

Dice post about ed is pretty damn convincing

[Niniel]

Dice is Batou. 

I´m Togusa.

Killa is Ishikawa. 

[Niniel]

Dice post about ed is pretty damn convincing

 

Yes, unless they are on a team together. I think I believe Dice but I need to read back more.

 

So you and DPR hacked each other N1? What about N2? 

[Cass]

 

 

 

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

Have been skimming through on mobile at work trying to piece things together best I can, day has been busier than expected but we're about to knock off and I should have computer time tonight to gather thoughts/get them out but

 

 

@Ed - What 'stupid message' did you get, and which 'stupid message' of Tigs' are you referring to?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm whether your 'stupid message' was in response to your Hack attempt or your Cop view?

 

 

My understanding was that the message you talk about receiving was in response to the Cop view. Have I missed something out before this?

 

If there has been no other mention of Tigs receiving a 'stupid message', then 

 

*Pokes Ed*

 

Are you a wolf?

 

 

 

I´m so happy that you are here. 

 

 

\o/ Yey! 

 

and also

 

 

possiblepocketattemptdenied.gif   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have thoughts on my post? 

 

Ed's claim / the wording wrt 'stupid message'?

 

Knowledge from the first 130something pages that helps confirm/deny whether I've missed something wrt Tig's talk of receiving messages?

 

 

 

First - about my claim.

 

D1: I get my PM. I ask if I can track TLM. I got a yes. 

N1: I decided to track TLM to see if we could get any info.

 

D2: I revealed that TLM didn´t go nowhere. This is true. I said that I was 1X tracker. That was not true. It was just a way to not get killed or blocked. I am limited though, I can´t track for the whole game. 

Tigs revealed and I thought by hinting that I could track more that they would target me instead of her since I think her role is more important than mine. (Well, that is true if we get those reports sometime.)

N2: I tracked Manbat. He visited Ed.

 

 

D3: I told everyone that Manbat had visited Ed. I thought it was really weird that Manbat died the same night that he visited Ed so I pretended to have info about Ed to see what he would say. He only had some link to an empty qt. 

 

Then my assumptions began and I asked you to say what you thought about it. They could be wrong, of course. Actually, some of it seems to be not very good thinking from my side. 

 

I felt that Manbat was a very strange target + I thought he was vanilla. He isn´t, I corrected myself there. But it still remains that he is a strange target. That is why I thought it was so weird that he died visiting Ed. And I had Ed in my poe before that. Like the only one I thought was mafia really. 

 

 

But lets look at what we know.

 

Ed got a link to an empty qt. I need to check when he said that compared to when he got the link. How long had he waited before he said it was empty?

It could be that Manbat hacked him and that´s why he got the qt link. Now I really don´t know how Shad would play that. Would he really give Ed a link if Manbat had died. That seems really strange. I doubt it but I can´t be sure of course. 

 

If that link didn´t kill him then mafia or someone else killed him. We have only had one nk each night. If it´s an "ordinary" nk then Manbat must be on to something. 

 

 

Did I explain myself better this time? 

 

 

Dice, you didn´t trust me since you thought that PR´s should all be trackers. But it seems like trackers have thier own abilities and I´m not a tracker. 

 

 

 

I think the logic wrt claiming adds up here, and the avoiding kill thing was something I considered this afternoon reading DPR's mention that she lied/said she was 1-shot, but I'm not sure about the tone, somethingsomething planning feel vs explanation #notknowingNin'splay or the likelihood of a Town Tracker.

 

Initial thoughts were Tracker as a Town role doesn't make sense because it's not mentioned in the sample PMs and OPs say mafia have randomised fake claims. 

This seems a pretty blunt thing to do for attention if scum though, so imo it's either a deliberate distancing tactic or legit.

 

 

 

WRT QTs

 

@Dice - Can you fill us in on what exactly you received wrt the QT Tigs claims to have sent you?

- What time/phase did you receive the notification?

- Is there a title or any indication of who the QT is with to start with?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm what time/part of the phase the QT was opened, and if there's any identifying information?

- Why did you ask Dice why he had a QT?

- Can you pls confirm/ask Shadmod if you don't already know, if it's just your Cop results that get lost/incorrectly returned?

 

@Ed - Can you fill us in / confirm/deny whether Manbat was the other end of your QT?

 

 

Essentially, @everyone - can people confirm whether QTs linked/opened at night, and if you know who they're with?

[DPR]

This is crazy - 

 

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles! 

 

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

 

Please answer these questions:

 

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

 

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

 

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering. 

 

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that? 

 

Nope. 

 

This is last minute scum scrambling. 

 

Scum team is or is in:

 

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

[Niniel]

I'm an amnesiac cop and hacker. I get to roleblock and peek each night but I don't get the results, aomeone else does.

 

 

I am a member of public security section 9. My abilities are hack and peek. My name is Major Motoko Kusanagi.

 

The results get lost on the way back so I don't receive them.

[Niniel]

 

 

Dice is Batou. 

I´m Togusa.

Killa is Ishikawa. 

Tigs is Major Motoko Kusanagi.

 

[seph]

I still think Dpr is town, and he is ganna yell at me lol for that post lol.

[unvote] meh I'm lost

 

You think niniel claims a Pr d1 without much knowledge of the game to set ed up here?? It doesn't make sense

[Niniel]

 

 

 

 

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

Have been skimming through on mobile at work trying to piece things together best I can, day has been busier than expected but we're about to knock off and I should have computer time tonight to gather thoughts/get them out but

 

 

@Ed - What 'stupid message' did you get, and which 'stupid message' of Tigs' are you referring to?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm whether your 'stupid message' was in response to your Hack attempt or your Cop view?

 

 

My understanding was that the message you talk about receiving was in response to the Cop view. Have I missed something out before this?

 

If there has been no other mention of Tigs receiving a 'stupid message', then 

 

*Pokes Ed*

 

Are you a wolf?

 

 

 

I´m so happy that you are here. 

 

 

\o/ Yey! 

 

and also

 

 

possiblepocketattemptdenied.gif   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have thoughts on my post? 

 

Ed's claim / the wording wrt 'stupid message'?

 

Knowledge from the first 130something pages that helps confirm/deny whether I've missed something wrt Tig's talk of receiving messages?

 

 

 

First - about my claim.

 

D1: I get my PM. I ask if I can track TLM. I got a yes. 

N1: I decided to track TLM to see if we could get any info.

 

D2: I revealed that TLM didn´t go nowhere. This is true. I said that I was 1X tracker. That was not true. It was just a way to not get killed or blocked. I am limited though, I can´t track for the whole game. 

Tigs revealed and I thought by hinting that I could track more that they would target me instead of her since I think her role is more important than mine. (Well, that is true if we get those reports sometime.)

N2: I tracked Manbat. He visited Ed.

 

 

D3: I told everyone that Manbat had visited Ed. I thought it was really weird that Manbat died the same night that he visited Ed so I pretended to have info about Ed to see what he would say. He only had some link to an empty qt. 

 

Then my assumptions began and I asked you to say what you thought about it. They could be wrong, of course. Actually, some of it seems to be not very good thinking from my side. 

 

I felt that Manbat was a very strange target + I thought he was vanilla. He isn´t, I corrected myself there. But it still remains that he is a strange target. That is why I thought it was so weird that he died visiting Ed. And I had Ed in my poe before that. Like the only one I thought was mafia really. 

 

 

But lets look at what we know.

 

Ed got a link to an empty qt. I need to check when he said that compared to when he got the link. How long had he waited before he said it was empty?

It could be that Manbat hacked him and that´s why he got the qt link. Now I really don´t know how Shad would play that. Would he really give Ed a link if Manbat had died. That seems really strange. I doubt it but I can´t be sure of course. 

 

If that link didn´t kill him then mafia or someone else killed him. We have only had one nk each night. If it´s an "ordinary" nk then Manbat must be on to something. 

 

 

Did I explain myself better this time? 

 

 

Dice, you didn´t trust me since you thought that PR´s should all be trackers. But it seems like trackers have thier own abilities and I´m not a tracker. 

 

 

 

I think the logic wrt claiming adds up here, and the avoiding kill thing was something I considered this afternoon reading DPR's mention that she lied/said she was 1-shot, but I'm not sure about the tone, somethingsomething planning feel vs explanation #notknowingNin'splay or the likelihood of a Town Tracker.

 

Initial thoughts were Tracker as a Town role doesn't make sense because it's not mentioned in the sample PMs and OPs say mafia have randomised fake claims. 

This seems a pretty blunt thing to do for attention if scum though, so imo it's either a deliberate distancing tactic or legit.

 

 

 

WRT QTs

 

@Dice - Can you fill us in on what exactly you received wrt the QT Tigs claims to have sent you?

- What time/phase did you receive the notification?

- Is there a title or any indication of who the QT is with to start with?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm what time/part of the phase the QT was opened, and if there's any identifying information?

- Why did you ask Dice why he had a QT?

- Can you pls confirm/ask Shadmod if you don't already know, if it's just your Cop results that get lost/incorrectly returned?

 

@Ed - Can you fill us in / confirm/deny whether Manbat was the other end of your QT?

 

 

Essentially, @everyone - can people confirm whether QTs linked/opened at night, and if you know who they're with?

 

 

The bold - I don´t how many time I have mixed them up. I´m a tracker, not a hacker.