[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Wow, the groupthink in this thread is ridiculous. None of you see it as a little odd that everyone seems to be jumping up and down saying that what Liz and I have done are scummy? I find it hard to believe that you are all town and really truly can't see the problem with everyone but Liz and I saying that what we've said is scummy. Definitely leaning town on Seph and Cuth right now, but I'm questioning some of you who have come, in this morning and are so easily going with the general consensus of the thread. Incredibly concerned that Tinker doesn't seem to think there's anything of value in the thread right now.

 

I'm on page 5...so do a favor...what have you and Liz done?

Cliff note version, make of it what you will: Liz and I placed a joke vote on Dice and it blew up out of control many of the conversations we've had with people made them start going after us for being scum (we're not) so we've been on the defense all day phase. Liz was trying to expand everyone's thoughts and ask people to open their minds and really think about it and asked who would our scum partners be. So now that's apparently the scummiest thing ever. I spent a large chunk of last night trying to reason with those who were on because they were expecting us to find scum, when it's kind of hard to get things done when you're constantly having to defend yourself. Cuth, Seph, and Eldrick gave us a courtesy unvote, we unvoted Dice. Came back this morning to people who hadn't been around a ton yesterday agreeing that we're scummy. It just seems odd that no one has a problem with a large part of the game thinking this is scummy. It's like they're just going after the easiest thing to lynch in the thread.

Last sentence is terrible plea for sympathy. Easiest thing to lynch and scummiest play of the game are not always mutually exclusive.

[Darthe]

I quoted that and typed youre on fire this game and the above reads list was good, but it didnt post.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

 

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

 

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

 

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

 

^^^scummy post^^^

 

Why?

[Sooh]

Wow,  the groupthink in this thread is ridiculous. None of you see it as a little odd that everyone seems to be jumping up and down saying that what Liz and I have done are scummy? I find it hard to believe that you are all town and really truly can't see the problem with everyone but Liz and I saying that what we've said is scummy. Definitely leaning town on Seph and Cuth right now, but I'm questioning some of you who have come, in this morning and are so easily going with the general consensus of the thread. Incredibly concerned that Tinker doesn't seem to think there's anything of value in the thread right now. 

On one hand I think that the almost unanimous choir that you two are scummy is an indicator you're town, but claiming that Seph and Cuth aren't scummy because they are being nice and unvoting you guys is too easy a town read on them for me. 

[The Crusher]

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

Discuss.

 

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

^^^scummy post^^^

Why?

 

Jetscode shows up thirty pages behind and trolls strong players until he catches up. Right around that he admitted only reading to page 5. LOL

[Sooh]

 

 

Only got to 11 so far

 

Also @Liz I didn't miss your hello, hi lovie

 

 

@Dice

 

Why me for Tonto, Johnny Depp or otherwise?

 

 

@SEPHHHHHHHHH!!!!

 

Howdy, Stranger!

 

Penny for your thoughts?

 

*offers up her own seat at the bar*

I am still reading atm but sure [v] Eldrick the kid[/v] 

*pulls up a seat* Im not ganna drink alone now!

 

 

 

Im still reading cass, I will give some thoughts when im caught up. 

It was something I was comparing to his last game, need to read the first 10 pages there though before I blurt something out. do you have a reason for why not eldrick?

 

I was going to ask for reasoning above, but then you made this post.  I'm hoping to see it as I continue my reread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reach for the sky and gimme teh bacon.

 

*Steals teh bacon and aims for the sky*

 

 

@The Crusher and @Spoof

1. Hi and Welcome to DM!

2. How much mafia have each of you played?

3. Who here have you played with before and how do you differentiate their Town/Scum games?

4. Got any readz?

Thank you. Give or take ten years worth. I have to played with most everyone here cept maybe you and couple others. I'm not really into meta for the most part. I usually play by gut instinct. I have a tremendous gut............instinct. No reads yet but people reacting to Darthes claiming vig like it's anything more than Darthe acting out could be a good start. Other than that I gots nothing.

  

Spoof answered the questions. Crusher avoided them. Someone else commented on that they should be included, but didn't answer them.

 

Do I have to worry about you Eldrick?

 

Interesting

 

Do you think he specifically ignored you, Crushlove?

Red flag on Hallia. 

 

The word "interesting" is something she has been nailed on before as scum.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

^^^scummy post^^^

Why?

 

Jetscode shows up thirty pages behind and trolls strong players until he catches up. Right around that he admitted only reading to page 5. LOL

 

Well, that post is prior to P5, so if he thought it was scummy there has to be a reason. I don't believe he posted that for fun.

[MrsClov]

 

Wow,  the groupthink in this thread is ridiculous. None of you see it as a little odd that everyone seems to be jumping up and down saying that what Liz and I have done are scummy? I find it hard to believe that you are all town and really truly can't see the problem with everyone but Liz and I saying that what we've said is scummy. Definitely leaning town on Seph and Cuth right now, but I'm questioning some of you who have come, in this morning and are so easily going with the general consensus of the thread. Incredibly concerned that Tinker doesn't seem to think there's anything of value in the thread right now. 

On one hand I think that the almost unanimous choir that you two are scummy is an indicator you're town, but claiming that Seph and Cuth aren't scummy because they are being nice and unvoting you guys is too easy a town read on them for me. 

 

 

The town read is nothing solid yet, but the reason it leads me to feeling more town about them is because I feel like Scum wouldn't give town a chance. Obviously, I have no clue how either of them play, but it seems to me Scum would have just kept their vote on us and not gave it a thought if it led us to getting hammered late in the night/early in the morning. I could be completely wrong, but for right now during D1, I feel like they've done more townie things than scummy things.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

 

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

 

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

 

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

 

^^^scummy post^^^

 

Why?

 

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies.  Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

[Sooh]

 

 

Wow,  the groupthink in this thread is ridiculous. None of you see it as a little odd that everyone seems to be jumping up and down saying that what Liz and I have done are scummy? I find it hard to believe that you are all town and really truly can't see the problem with everyone but Liz and I saying that what we've said is scummy. Definitely leaning town on Seph and Cuth right now, but I'm questioning some of you who have come, in this morning and are so easily going with the general consensus of the thread. Incredibly concerned that Tinker doesn't seem to think there's anything of value in the thread right now. 

On one hand I think that the almost unanimous choir that you two are scummy is an indicator you're town, but claiming that Seph and Cuth aren't scummy because they are being nice and unvoting you guys is too easy a town read on them for me. 

 

 

The town read is nothing solid yet, but the reason it leads me to feeling more town about them is because I feel like Scum wouldn't give town a chance. Obviously, I have no clue how either of them play, but it seems to me Scum would have just kept their vote on us and not gave it a thought if it led us to getting hammered late in the night/early in the morning. I could be completely wrong, but for right now during D1, I feel like they've done more townie things than scummy things.

 

In a game as big as this, hammer is usually not a thing you need to be worried about on D1. As scum it would be easy to just let the townies keep pressure on you guys and find another excuse to vote you again later, or just re-vote you for the "Who's our partners?" comment if nobody else sails up as a contender for the lynch. 

I don't think that Seph or Cuth are particularly scummy (yet), but I think town reading them for letting up pressure is a very easy town read. 

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

 

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

 

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

 

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

 

^^^scummy post^^^

 

Why?

 

 

 

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies.  Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

 

That's exactly how Eldrick is though. He will tell you if something is expected on D1, and he will do it in exactly this format which makes it look as though he's hedging on a read, or soft defending. In similar tones to Eldrick's post; this is null for Eldrick.

[The Crusher]

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

Discuss.

 

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

^^^scummy post^^^

Why?

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies.  Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

Oh I see. Not use to quoting here. Thought you referring to Darthe post. Haven't cared for Eldricks play. Part of my top3

[MrsClov]

 

 

 

Wow,  the groupthink in this thread is ridiculous. None of you see it as a little odd that everyone seems to be jumping up and down saying that what Liz and I have done are scummy? I find it hard to believe that you are all town and really truly can't see the problem with everyone but Liz and I saying that what we've said is scummy. Definitely leaning town on Seph and Cuth right now, but I'm questioning some of you who have come, in this morning and are so easily going with the general consensus of the thread. Incredibly concerned that Tinker doesn't seem to think there's anything of value in the thread right now. 

On one hand I think that the almost unanimous choir that you two are scummy is an indicator you're town, but claiming that Seph and Cuth aren't scummy because they are being nice and unvoting you guys is too easy a town read on them for me. 

 

 

The town read is nothing solid yet, but the reason it leads me to feeling more town about them is because I feel like Scum wouldn't give town a chance. Obviously, I have no clue how either of them play, but it seems to me Scum would have just kept their vote on us and not gave it a thought if it led us to getting hammered late in the night/early in the morning. I could be completely wrong, but for right now during D1, I feel like they've done more townie things than scummy things.

 

In a game as big as this, hammer is usually not a thing you need to be worried about on D1. As scum it would be easy to just let the townies keep pressure on you guys and find another excuse to vote you again later, or just re-vote you for the "Who's our partners?" comment if nobody else sails up as a contender for the lynch. 

I don't think that Seph or Cuth are particularly scummy (yet), but I think town reading them for letting up pressure is a very easy town read. 

 

 

We'll jut have to disagree on it then. I'm not going to recant and be like oh yeah you're right it is an easy read and change it. The best way for me to narrow things down to figure out who scum is to try and figure out some early town reads. 

[The Crusher]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

Discuss.

 

 

 

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

^^^scummy post^^^

Why?

 

 

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies.  Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

That's exactly how Eldrick is though. He will tell you if something is expected on D1, and he will do it in exactly this format which makes it look as though he's hedging on a read, or soft defending. In similar tones to Eldrick's post; this is null for Eldrick.

Well dam that's not helpful. Thanks a lot.

[Hallia]

Up to 15

 

 

No Caszander?

I was looking forward to Caszander :(

Anyway, this would be the point at which I would join the RVS wagon on Darthe, but I feel like I should confer with my better half first...

[V] liz wolfiest post itg so far

 

Come on Darthe - you like the attention. Admit it

 

Hmmm....

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

Discuss.

NOT AGAIN


Also I love Cass's impersonation of Zander, it made me laugh

Cass, Crush, Hally all town so far

 

Thanks?  But er...as much as I like town reads, this is thin

 

 

 

 

pretty sure i want to just lock dice in as town

Pour quoi?

 

It's one word really heh

 

Don't correct my French! I'm Canadian, don't embarrass me in public!

You're believer, right?

 

 Shots fired

 

 

 

 

its still a contradiction mrsclov sher needed to consult on Darthe but not on me.

if the darthe one is just being a good hydra what is the one on me?? One second she needs to consult then she doesnt on someone else shortly thereafter?

No, you're making it a contradiction, most likely because it involves you. It was an "Oh yeah, I'm in a hydra" moment. I didn't know about the vote on you until after the vote was placed and we talked it out. So that's when she mentioned conferring with me on Darthe. We fill the same spot, and that's not something either of us are used to doing. It is just a result of us trying to figure out how to hydra for the first time, but you're making it into something else.

Bold:
So order of hydra events:

- Vote Dice
- Discuss Dice vote
- Discuss conferring on Darthe ?

It looks like thats skipping a step or two. Its more,

"I wanna vote darthe but will ask my hydra of its ok"
"Ok ima vote dice cause I got pressure for saying the above"
"No I didnt need to confer to vote dice"
"Of course I confer with my hydra before making a vote"

Thats how it looks to me at least

 

That moment when you see where Darthe is coming from  

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

 

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

 

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

 

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

 

^^^scummy post^^^

 

Why?

 

 

 

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies.  Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

 

That's exactly how Eldrick is though. He will tell you if something is expected on D1, and he will do it in exactly this format which makes it look as though he's hedging on a read, or soft defending. In similar tones to Eldrick's post; this is null for Eldrick.

 

 

Yes, but he muddies the waters.  I'd prefer to see the interactions...let Darthe answer for his BS claims.  

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

Wow,  the groupthink in this thread is ridiculous. None of you see it as a little odd that everyone seems to be jumping up and down saying that what Liz and I have done are scummy? I find it hard to believe that you are all town and really truly can't see the problem with everyone but Liz and I saying that what we've said is scummy. Definitely leaning town on Seph and Cuth right now, but I'm questioning some of you who have come, in this morning and are so easily going with the general consensus of the thread. Incredibly concerned that Tinker doesn't seem to think there's anything of value in the thread right now. 

On one hand I think that the almost unanimous choir that you two are scummy is an indicator you're town, but claiming that Seph and Cuth aren't scummy because they are being nice and unvoting you guys is too easy a town read on them for me. 

 

 

The town read is nothing solid yet, but the reason it leads me to feeling more town about them is because I feel like Scum wouldn't give town a chance. Obviously, I have no clue how either of them play, but it seems to me Scum would have just kept their vote on us and not gave it a thought if it led us to getting hammered late in the night/early in the morning. I could be completely wrong, but for right now during D1, I feel like they've done more townie things than scummy things.

 

In a game as big as this, hammer is usually not a thing you need to be worried about on D1. As scum it would be easy to just let the townies keep pressure on you guys and find another excuse to vote you again later, or just re-vote you for the "Who's our partners?" comment if nobody else sails up as a contender for the lynch. 

I don't think that Seph or Cuth are particularly scummy (yet), but I think town reading them for letting up pressure is a very easy town read. 

 

 

 

 

We'll jut have to disagree on it then. I'm not going to recant and be like oh yeah you're right it is an easy read and change it. The best way for me to narrow things down to figure out who scum is to try and figure out some early town reads. 

 

Never expected you to. 

 

In fact, if you had, I'd thrown my vote on you and never removed it until your duo was lynched.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

 

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

 

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

 

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

 

^^^scummy post^^^

 

Why?

 

 

 

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies.  Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

 

That's exactly how Eldrick is though. He will tell you if something is expected on D1, and he will do it in exactly this format which makes it look as though he's hedging on a read, or soft defending. In similar tones to Eldrick's post; this is null for Eldrick.

 

 

Yes, but he muddies the waters.  I'd prefer to see the interactions...let Darthe answer for his BS claims.  

 

Fair enough.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

Discuss.

 

 

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

 

^^^scummy post^^^

Why?

 

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies.  Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

That's exactly how Eldrick is though. He will tell you if something is expected on D1, and he will do it in exactly this format which makes it look as though he's hedging on a read, or soft defending. In similar tones to Eldrick's post; this is null for Eldrick.

Well dam that's not helpful. Thanks a lot.

 

[MrsClov]

Eagerly awaiting Hallia to finish catching up.

[seph]

Just caught up before bedtime. I don't have much to comment on at the moment, but I fell pretty strong about giving crusher a town read, and sooh a light town read from some of there recent posts/tone.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Yea. Obvious choice.

 

[V]Lizclov [/v]

 

Obvious choice is obvious.  How can you state earlier that you have a scum lean on Cuth who's pressure on Lizclov is exactly the train you've now decided to join.  I'm confused.

 

For now.  Unvote, Vote Eldrick.

[MrsClov]

I'm quite curious about Wildfire not checking in yet. 

[seph]

@whoever wanted to know about eldrick, i think it was hallia. read his iso in his last game, 1-2 pages is all you need. I have more in my notes and I will wait before I talk about it more as I am falling asleep while typing this, but his scumhunting last game was pretty damn protown. every question had a point, he wanted to get everyone involved towards people he though was scum to get more opinions on the matter. 
by page 27 of the last game he had 3 scum suspects and was actively pushing them all.

Here I don't see it tbh. I have seen some pointless questions, and since his 1st push on liz where I think he realized he was reaching and quickly bailed, he has pretty much coasted imo.

cuth has him as town, as did darthe tough im not sure if thats the case. cuth mind help telling me what you are seeing?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Okay, so let's play a game of pretend.Let's pretend MrsClov and I are scum.Who are our partners?

Really? Might be the single worse question ever asked in a mafia game. Let's stop playing this game, that we are just getting some info in and play a guessing game. This tactic can provide nothing but confusion. I never played with you and won't overreact to a single post but damn this is awful.

 

 

^^^Agree with this message^^^