I love a good mule for sure!

Moiriaine could easily shield him ,don't forget she had that little toy. Sammael can't overpower that.

When Nyneave was in Egypt land, let my people go😉

I'm preliminarily throwing a Challenge Flag on this statement. Future reflection might change things, but my initial reaction to this episode is kind of 'whelmed' veering towards 'underwhelmed'.

And I hope that something is teaching him how to act😉

Yes, everything about this was lame. Sammael replacing Asmodean, Lame! Moiraine shielding Sammael, Lame! Sammael not actually replacing Asmodean, Lame! At the very least they could have had him say, You? Noooo! When Mogedian showed up 🤷

Was I the only one expecting the Eelfin to start belting out, “Meeeemory, all alone by the moon light….” at any moment?😄

Oh and sorry to see Siuan go out early (what has happened to Leane , I wonder ?) Maybe means no Gareth Bryne either. Or just less complications for him when he arrives. Not as sad as I was to see Loial exit last week though ! ☹️

I actually enjoyed the episode. Partly relief that it wasn't a trainwreck like the first two finales but also because I have by now settled for overlooking the silly stuff at least to an extent (though this regular business of main cast characters being impaled by swords/arrows/spears and basically shrugging it off is getting a bit tired). Lots of changes ; but mostly not unreasonable. We haven't been to Tear yet so no Juilin (we may not get him at all , I suppose) ; so Mat assisting the girls in Tanchico is a decent idea - enables meeting Thom again ; and the museum setting supplying a doorway a convenient way to replace his Rhuidean scenes. Min on hand to do Rand's CPR , fine. She is perhaps the character most changed from her book version , so if she is going to be Mat's sidekick on a regular basis I am OK with it. Would have liked Nynaeve v Moggy but guess that is for the future. Of course Liandrin really should have killed her out of hand instead of that Dumb Villain trope of leaving the hero to die eventually while merrily skipping away but that is just one of the logical holes that one has to accept in this sort of story : I can live with it ; and it did get Nyn a spectacular Block Break ! Since the BA now have the a'dam , I wonder if they are thinking of having Rand collared at some future point ? Perhaps instead of being boxed in the leadup to Dumai's Wells ? WAFO I guess. Alcair Dal was fine. Maybe having the clan chiefs and wise ones anointing him as the Real Car'a'carn to swing the Aiel masses to acceptance as in the books would have been more convincing than Rand calling "Oathbreakers !" and making it rain ... but , spectacle , eh ? Moiraine and Lanfear punch up after the prophesy of her death a sort of postponement of the inevitable ? We tricked you , audience : but wait for next season... Poor old Lan still doesn't get to do anything useful...maybe next year. Liked Elayne/Thom. Bit heavy with the balefire perhaps but good to get the Gaebril ain't the real thing reveal. Sammael went from probably dead to prisoner and potential Rand teacher to dead again...so maybe the actor who thought his future appearance as Asmodean had been cancelled can get back to practising his harp playing ? All good fun. Loads to nitpick if you want but generally this season was lightyears ahead of the first two. Will keep watching assuming the fourth takes place...

I had to give that up thanks to Lord of the Rings; when even the best fantasy adaptation makes hollywood adjustments to comply with modern audience sensibilities and expectations, I would lose all ability to enjoy any adaptation because I don't agree with the modern viewing public on most of this stuff. Dune is a stunning visual masterpiece, deserving of the oscar nominations it got, and a wonderfully acted and plotted story. But as good as it is, 2 small changes completely undermined, and almost inverted, the books key theme of free will versus predestination, blind obedience versus truth to power, and freedom versus commitment. Because in the book, Paul was a slave to his fate, Stilgar was the voice of peace and the old ways, and Chani stuck by her man as a concubine - all completed subverted in the movies ending.

That was, for the most part... underwhelming. It was good to see Nyaneave lose her block, although on screen it loses so much. I cried when Siuan died, but I liked her little speech at the end. I'm sorry to see her go. I love Siuan's story in the books, and I really love Sophie in the show. Moiraine and Lanfear's fight was good in places and weird in others. I'll have to see what I think on a rewatch. We know where Elaida got that bracelet now, but not what it means. Unless I missed something, which I could very well have. I kind of expected to hear an Elton John song playing when she walked in wearing the stole. Mat got his fox head medallion, but lost the memories he gained from blowing the horn? I'm confused. The Aelfinn kind of looked like a character from "Cats", but I kind of liked it. Rand is officially the Caracarn. Yay? No Maksim - YAY! I'll have read the through everyone else's thoughts when it's not my bedtime.

oops - you're right; they weren't the 3 prophecies, they were prophecies 4-6 on the first visit. I don't think he's had the die / live moment - I think that is the Camelyn death, not the hanging. Because in the books, it's not the hanging that separates him from the Horn, and that live again moment also serves the purpose of removing Rahvin from the board. In the immortal words of miracle Max, Mat was only mostly dead from the hanging and i guess here's a way to get rid of Tuon - the Seanchan replace the Sharans, with Semirhage taking Demandred's place with them. After all, we need an army of Dreadlords from somewhere. But I still think Mat / Tuon happens more or less as in the books; I'd be quite pissed if they don't introduce the moral quandary of "these people own slaves, but serve the light", and simply make all of Seanchan dark friends.

Judging just about anything against GoT S8 is going to give you a positive result. I mostly judge it against the source material which leads to a very disappointing result.

Have to contradict you a little there , Jaysen : in fact all of those answers/warnings were given by the Aelfinn on his first trip through the doorway in Tear. It was on his second trip (in Rhuidean) when he encountered the Eelfinn , who do not answer questions but grant wishes. And gained medallion , memory fix etc... just as he has done in the show. He has already had the die and live again moment - and he isn't going to Rhuidean ; but still two (important) things to be told - unless they are removing two very significant factors from the story altogether. And Tear is the logical place for them. My uncertainty about Tuon though is that her interaction with Mat takes up a lot of pages - and they seem to be (understandably) cutting a lot of complications . Certainly hope they do include her but I'd stop short of a guarantee.

It was not that it was more powerful it was that its addictive feel was much more potent than the addictive feel of holding saidin.

I really enjoyed that episode. Very appropriate that Alviarin is the one who killed Siuan (not Elaida). Enjoyed the fact that Liandrin had just a little too much love for Nynaeve to just straight kill her. I'm feeling like they're setting up an Ingtar arc for Sister Strongjaw. Tower of Ghenji is still in play!! Loved the Finn. Creepy, uncanny, goofy looking one moment, menacing the next. Looks like they're going to move Mat's 'missing memories' to next season. Interested to see where they go with that. I don't think Thom is dead. Thought Siuan's voiceover at the end went a little long and ended up stealing some of Rand's thunder. Nonetheless, good stuff. Loved the little foreshadowing of "Veins of Gold" at the beginning. Clearly the best season by far. Would be a damn shame if this was it...

Obviously, the WoT team got the original scripts for GoT, which were all labelled "The Art of Penetration', and thought they meant actual swords. Because no one in the WoT writer's room understands euphemism, nuance, or subtlety.

She healed herself with the True Power, as she did in season 2. Some people have wondered why Lanfear was able to hold her own against Moiraine with the Chodan Ball. Well my memory is fuzzy but doesn't Rand mention that using the True power made him as or feel as powerful as when using the Chodan Kal? Lanfear's first attack on Moraine was to separate her from The Sakarnen and then decided to choke her out as the petty B would. But once Moraine had the Sakarnen back in hand Lanfear was on her back foot until she started using the True power.

Hey, I was right on this one...Alviarin took Siuan's head

Upon a rewatch … a number of writing … problems … I noticed in this episode: #1 being the insta-death of a darkfriend breaking their oath (that not a thing & a metaphysical challenge as has been noted) #2 did Min knock a BA out and then just leave her instead of kill her or capture her? If Chesmal is suddenly just “back” with Liandrin in S4 that’s gonna be funny #3 did Egwene just beat Lanfear in the Dreamworld in Rands dream? #4 they killed Suian but … what … let Leane go? #5 did they beat Siuan to a bloody pulp with the power only to … hours later … behead her with the OP? Isn’t that a giveaway that #6 man, again it looked to me like Avi was channeling flaming swords (people will say “no they’re spears - I really don’t think so!) #7 as was noted, Lan’s “wardering” was once again abysmal because they wanted a Lanfear/Moiraine showdown; my man, Lan has been done just about the dirtiest of any WoT character! #8 wait, how did Lanfear get Lan’s Sword? What? Moiraine pulls it out and holding the blade side with her bare hand cuts Lanfears throat? And both live? #9 there are still a number of plots that are … hmmm … what will happen there: a) what’s going on with Elayne’s bros & Morgase & Rahvin b) what’s gonna happen with Couladin/Sevanna and the Shaido c) what’s happening with Perrin d) Liandrin/Moggy has the SAD collar d) Seanchan? e) Callandor f) Semirhage and Grandael have been name dropped but not appeared g) Verin/Galena battle? h) Matt’s got new memory problems? All that being said … if we don’t get a S4 … this is pretty sad. But if we do, there’s still a lot of explaining to do! I really hope we do!

Cause the Chosen are awesome in WoTTv. The writers keeping their metaphysics consistent? More likely than not that they’re not 😉

The Rhuidean warning was his first trip - the second one was "to live, and die, and live again, to wed the daughter of the nine moons, and to the give up half the light of the world" And all 3 of those moments can easily be post Tear And I guarantee we get Tuon. They killed Turak and Renne, and broke Suroth. We're not with the Seanchan yet, and they need a new leader; hence, Tuon I have no complaints with the Fox - better than a lot of fantasy near humans, and he go the hunger right

Sure, but that still doesn't mean that the DO just "erases" said soul from existence. In WoT cosmology, there's the Creator, the DO, and then there's the Wheel. The show may well be doing it's own bloody thing, but even in the show logic, Ishy is a Liar. Lanfear is a Gas lighter. Moggy is a Manpilator. To paraphrase RJ... Why would we believe the Forsaken?

Except...I am fairly sure I saw Melindhra's soul rip from her body, tinged in black, as she died, and Ishamel is currently dead, and we see later on in the episode that weaves don't outlive their weaver. So something else dark actually claimed her soul. And another name for the DO is the Lord of the Grave, and we see him bring back people who had sworn to him. So there is something else here, IMO.

The main thing I am happy about with this episode is that we do get the Finn... Leads me to suspect that Moiraine and Lanfear will probably still end up falling into that doorway - possibly in Tear ? Mat has his medallion - and the ashrandei too perhaps ? He presumably still needs another trip through to meet the snakes and receive the stuff about giving up half the light of the world etc , and The Daughter of the Nine Moons (although if he instead of Rand is being paired up with Min , are we even getting Tuon ? ) Bit late for him to be warned to go to Rhuidean or die and he has already been hanged but I reckon the other bits are still needed. The Fox did look a bit cartoonish but was menacing enough so no problem there. Tower of Ghengei looking more likely than not as long as the show makes it that far...