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  16. Tenobia si bashere kazadi
    I think there is free will. The pattern can nudge things in a certain direction but people can still choose. Mat could have chosen not to help the Tairens and Cairhienin but his sense of duty meant he did.
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  25. HeavyHalfMoonBlade
    Of course that can be said to go both ways. It is not only about finding those that agree with us, but about experiencing different viewpoints. I would hesitantly put forward that that is why dealing with specifics is better - I have seen many differing opinions about the casting, for example, yet very few entirely positive or negative. That leaves room for interesting discussion. The same with for example, Thom's instrument. COVID has played a large part in some of the issues, yet that does not stop opinions or discussions of the rest.
  26. DigificWriter
    You cannot have a cogent conversation with someone who both refuses to accept the validity of any opinions or viewpoints that aren't in complete lock-step with their own and also either refuses to or cannot satisfactorily justify or substantiate their opinions and viewpoints when pressed to do so. It's the reason why the Prequel and Sequel Trilogies fractured the Star Wars fandom and led to the huge rise of open toxicity within said fandom. Constructive and civil discourse about the WoT TV series can absolutely happen here and elsewhere; it's just sadly rare due to the fact that a good number of those who want to criticize the show online have made it clear from their tenor and tone that they have no interest in considering any points of view that don't validate their own.
  27. king of nowhere
    there have been several productive discussions. however, it's been over a year since the show premiered. we exhausted the meaningful discussions months ago.
  28. Elendir
    I never call TV show with any pejorative words. Yet when I made a work to express the essence of my disagreement with it. I met only answers, like this isn't relevant, this isn't important, story started with the fourth book nothing before maters. So yes, there is no reason to discus when one side decide to be deaf. The thing is, that all that "irrelevant" details caught up TV show at the end.
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  30. Elder_Haman
    Back to the Two Rivers?
  31. HeavyHalfMoonBlade
    I think that discussion should always be possible regardless of your overall opinion. Too often what passes for criticism is actually announcements of how objectively dire the show is. If people are interested in the show (in as much at least due to the source rather than the output) it should be possible to discuss things with people who have different opinions. Exactly the same should be true for those that have a really positive opinion of the show, that some do seem to have, that that should not prevent discussing aspects of the show or looking critically at certain aspects of it. It has been a fairly common theme in the time I have been here that users claim that you are not allowed to criticise the show, despite that being demonstrably false. What often seems to be meant is that abuse is not allowed to be thrown at other users and the individuals who make the show. The personal attacks against Rafe in particular are rather disappointing - we know from what little information comes out of the production team that Rafe does not have final say in the content of the show (him taking Sanderson's idea about Perrin not killing his wife to the "higher-ups", for example). And yet people continually justify personal attacks against him as they feel strongly about the book. It doesn't seem like a good justification to me. And if we see an actor doing a bad job in our opinion, rarely are personal attacks thrown at them, and allowances are made for the role of the director, etc. I'd prefer to see discussion of the aspects of the show and the book, instead of arguments about whether the whole is objectively bad or good. Sharing opinions is fine, but it is not so profitable in discussing them without specifics. In my humble opinion, of course.
  32. Elder_Haman
    To be fair, you are one of the most honest brokers on here.
  33. DojoToad
    Some of us just aren't as eloquent as others. Sometimes we like or dislike something just because we do. Articulating why may not always be important. For example, I love the movie Napoleon Dynamite but hate the movie Stepbrothers. Don't care about the 'why', that's just how I feel. And for that reason I won't discuss either movie on a forum. One I'll watch every year and the other I'll never watch again. But back to your point, I agree that if you come to a forum about WoT (and only WoT) be prepared to defend likes/dislikes. Saying Rafe is a piece of garbage that destroyed Jordan's beloved books will get a much different response than I didn't like the way Rafe changed the story by adding/deleting these specific scenes for these reasons... The second post would likely lead to a productive back and forth that may or may not change anyone's mind but that might nudge the needle on both sides - even if imperceptibly. The first leads to trench warfare where each side digs in and the independents throw up their hands in exasperation.
  34. DigificWriter
    It is impossible to carry on a good-faith discussion with someone who makes it clear through their comments that they are not actually interested in having a good-faith discussion, which is why said persons get dismissed as not having any relevant thoughts about the show. One of the signs of an opposing viewpoint that is worth talking about is that the person expressing said viewpoint can offer a strong defense of said viewpoint if/when asked to do so by someone who holds an opposing viewpoint, but the fact is that a good number of the show's haters fail to be able to accomplish this task if/when they are faced with it.
  35. Erin D.
    More information about "Dragonmount's Ultimate Wheel of Time Shopping Guide: 2024 Edition"
    Let’s start with the essentials. Looking to share the magic of The Wheel of Time with someone new? Start them on their journey with a copy of The Eye of the World—check your local bookstore. Tickets for community events like JordanCon, WoTCon, and MalkieriCon also make wonderful gifts. Don’t forget about supporting your special someone’s favorite creators! A Patreon membership is a thoughtful way to give them access to exclusive content and help sustain the creators who keep the fandom thriving. Dragonmount has some great merch for you too! Our store is bursting with goodies to show off your WoT pride. Speaking of pride- are you bonded and proud? Show off your bonded status with a t-shirt featuring your favorite color & pronoun option! $28 each. Looking for jewelry? These officially licensed items from Badali Jewelry should do the trick. They're currently on sale in our shop! Perfect time to grab your Aes Sedai ring- it's on sale for $79. The Ajah bracelet, which is typically $259 is on sale for $199. You can score Moiraine's Kesiera earrings for $34! We've got Dragonmount swag too! This large tote bag is perfect to carry around the project your working on with your Knitting Circle, or some of those new books you just added to your TBR pile. Pick up the We Are All the Heroes Notebook to jot down your thoughts and have a daily reminder that you are awesome!! Many of the content creators within our community have merch available as well! Visit your fav creator's site for their links. We've highlighted some of this year's favs for you here: Malkier Talks has released a new Snacc Warders of Time Calendar for 2025! We know next year's calendar will be as great at this year's was! The webstore also has swag for both Malkier Talks and Three Fold Talk.. and even some con merch! If you missed out on the Soundscapes Kickstarter, it's available on the Soundscapes website here. Perfect accompaniment for your re-read! Looking for more T-Shirts? tWoTcast has you covered. They've got tWoTcast designs, and they even have a tWoT Quest design. We are LOVING the Wotionary designs, though! If you (or the person you're shopping for) are Wotionary fans, you need to check these out. If you're looking for more festive merch, head over to KritterXD's shop. She's got some great WoT inspired Ugly Christmas Sweater designs, and since it's Redbubble- you can get them on all sorts of products! This Winternight Wonderland sweater is one of our favs. A Winespring Inn Gingerbread house- are you kidding me? If you're not aware of NewCreationsbyJen, you need to get yourself over there right now because it's basically a treasure trove of fandom merch. While you're shopping for your fam, get yourself the next Frosty Mug for your collection. Or do you collect shot glasses? Pick up Black Tower Podcasts' Taste the Taint shot glass. Maybe your sister could use some fancy new coasters for when she sips tea with the Tinkers. Does your brother have a baby? Get it some baby swag! Surely you've seen editions of the Weekly Wheel News floating around. Those ads are not just for show! There are all kinds of fun designs in here for t-shirts, stickers and more. You can even get Rob's gorgeous WoT map on an insulated bottle so you can gaze at it all day. There you have it! Go shopping, hit those sales, drops some hints to your loved ones, and definitely pick up something for yourself.
  36. Elder_Haman
    Untrue. There are plenty of folk on here who offer constructive criticism without falling into the “this show is an abomination, Jordan is rolling over in his grave” nonsense.
  37. Mailman
    And anyone offering criticism of the show is a Bookcloak.
  38. Elder_Haman
    I’m not sure what exactly this means. But it is very hard to honestly critique the show - not because the show fans refuse to hear criticism (they mostly don’t), but because the show detractors mostly refuse to acknowledge anything positive. Anyone who isn’t relentlessly negative is dismissed as an “apologist” or worse. Season 2 was good tv, despite the liberties taken with the source material.
  39. Elendir
    I am well aware, that there are some biased critiques of WoT tv show. However I saw you specifically to discard discord constructive critique by your made rules. It isn't such problem, that constructive critique is banalised in this side. Problem is that it was ignored by tv show maker as well. I am getting more and more impression, than this tv show was never intended for WoT book fans.
  40. HeavyHalfMoonBlade
    The prologues are like the "cold starts" in a show (I think they are called), where you have a vignette outside of the main narrative to illuminate a different part of the world-building or story. In terms of the Wheel of Time, 95 pages is just a brief detour, it goes with the territory.
  41. Geneyus
    I'll watch the rape of the books only if it's free to me so I can cringe and complain, but never, never, ever will I spend a cent to watch it. I wouldn't have watched the first 2 seasons if it wasn't free to amazon prime members and since episode 1 I was horrified at the artistic abortion of the books. In book 1 alone they left out so much. Not meeting Elayne, Gawyn, the Queen, Bryne, Elaida. Why they bothered with Thom and couldn't even tell his entrance right. They completely F'ed the whole series from the very 1st episode.
  42. Guire
    No one on YouTube is making money from this show. I have searched frequently. Maybe 4 or 5 positive channels about show get between 2k to 10k views. They barely post outside of season. Another 2 or 3 negative channels get a few hundred to a few k views. They also post infrequently. The interest from book side with crossover to show has also massively dried up. Most book fans disappointed with show have just ghosted. Rafe and Co changed young people on hero's journey during apocalyptic war to feminist exploration of feelings in a fantasy setting. That is very appealing to some fans and horrific to others. This show is not relevant in any way however from cultural, economic, or entertainment stand point. It's an ok show that will be forgotten 5 years after final season. All hail our dark empress Lanfear. May she reign eternal.
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  44. DigificWriter
    It's not. Negativity unfortunately 'sells' quite well in today's pop culture environment. If you go on YouTube and search for 'Wheel of Time', you will find almost as many videos hating on the show as you will videos that express positive viewpoints about it.
  45. DojoToad
    Probably for the benefit of new readers that might be picking up a book mid-series to give them the benefit of some background. Can't say I enjoyed them overmuch...
  46. DojoToad
    That seems like a stretch. How much content could they get out of 8 hours of programming per season with two years in between? Even if I 1000% agreed with them that would get boring real quick. But I guess that doesn't matter if it is a passion project that is not expected to generate income...
  47. Elder_Haman
    They could probably place Callandor in Rhuidean and kill two birds with one stone. I do think that we will get some version of the twisted door/the Finn.
  48. DigificWriter
    Season 3 will primarily contain material adapted from Book 4 of the series, although material from earlier books will be included as well. This has been known for a year or more.
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