The male Aes Sedai would shelter in the stedding, but missing the power would always drive them out. The madness was new and unprecedented, and I believe it's stated that they were hoping it would have passed by the time they left the stedding. They were not quite equally involved, it was a gift from one group of male Aes Sedai who had specialised in the study of Portal Stones. The Ways were living things in a way, and the structures inside are formed from themselves. The male Aes Sedai crafted the world of the ways as well as the ter'angreal Talismans for Growing so that the Ogier could grow the connecting Waygates.

That is never well explained from my standpoint - other then some held onto sanity longer than others. The taint did not affect them within the stedding. So if they were fortunate enough to make it to a stedding with little or no affect on their sanity, they could choose their moments to leave the stedding and perform their work. But that also leaves the question of how they coordinated their work (with other male Aes Sedai) when leaving the stedding would bring on the madness. How would they have built the Chunnel from both the French and English sides with limited or no communication from each side of the Channel? Why would they even build the Ways when putting their minds to the problem of madness might have been a better project to work on? Even if they were ultimately unsuccessful, they probably couldn't know that at the time... I guess maybe someone foresaw the world breaking into isolated anarchy of the 'Dark Ages' should technology and Traveling be lost. Maybe some worked on the madness issue while others did the Ways.

According to the old myths, both the Ogier and the male Aes Sedai were equally involved in the construction of the Deep Ways. The Ogier contributed their mastery of stonecraft; the design and shaping of the Ways lay in their hands, and they were intended to provide a safe and swift connection between the steddings and the cities of humankind. The male Aes Sedai, for their part, employed the One Power to make the very construction of the Ways possible. This raises the question of how the latter were able to accomplish such a feat, given that saidin had already been corrupted and many—if not all—male Aes Sedai had already lost their sanity, wholly or at least in part.

Jesus changed many things from the Old Testament. Try Mark 7:18-20. And Mark 2:27. No, the Bible never forbids slavery. But Christians were central to the abolition of slavery in Britain and the US. Also, some Christians defended retaining the institution of slavery. While never directly condemning slavery, Jesus did seem to at least hint at change in the days' societal norms - Matthew 7:12 and Matthew 22:39. And what I think is a direct knock on slavery - Luke 4:18. People throughout history interpret the Bible differently. They can hone in on one verse without taking context into account - what came immediately before and after doesn't matter, much less the context of the Bible as a whole. They take the salad bar approach - a little of this and a little of that, whatever fits into the way they want to live. Whatever would be inconvenient for them they ignore.

So did the God of the Old Testament suddenly change his mind in the New Testament? Is Jesus himself not identical with the God of the Old Testament? Did Jesus ever, even once, state clearly and unequivocally that owning people is an abomination? God never tired of insisting on dietary laws, dress codes, and strict observance of the Sabbath—yet it never occurred to him to include the monstrosity of slavery among the Ten Commandments. It would have been so simple: “Thou shalt not own people.” Basta.

But not with any freedom. Imagine the horror if she retained immortality wearing that yoke.

As far as I remember from Verin's explanation, not only is TAR not like the portal stone realities, it is a constant in all these "trouser legs of time". Along with the imprisoned Dark One, the only constants. Which makes no sense really. Why does Egwene or Perrin ever meet their infinite portal stone doppelgangers? Why isn't it neck deep in wolves? What would happen if a Shadow-aligned ta'veren got into TAR? If each reality has its own TAR - how does Verin call that a constant? Very loose with their terminology, these Browns. You can tell she isn't a White.

Moggie also survives. She is a survivor that one.

So here is my conclusion: just as our own history (up until modern times) regarded slavery as a normal institution—benefiting countless people massively by it (Liverpool’s wealth in the 18th and 19th centuries was largely built on the then-already illegal slave trade)—a social order like that of the Seanchan, living at a cultural level comparable to our European Middle Ages, should really come as no surprise. Your thoughts? Greetings and best 73 --.../...-- de Calean Christian doctrine is much more closely tied to the New Testament; your Biblical references are exclusively Old Testament. That said, I think there were references to slaves obeying masters and for citizens to submit to the government and pay taxes. - Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and so on... Slavery benefitted many societies throughout history at the direct cost of the slaves and the nations they were gathered from. I think that the slaveholders paid an indirect price of the moral degradation of their own society. Slavery was (and still is) normalized by many peoples. Eventually I think it reaches a tipping point where the abolitionists rise up, the slaves revolt, or it just kind of peters out... Seems cyclical.

I don't have the link for where it was stated, but I believe that Sanderson confirmed that Nakomi was an avatar for the Creator in the same way that Shaidar Haran was an avatar for the Dark One.

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Since we are all (hopefully) agreed in condemning slavery and in regarding this kind of “ownership” of other human beings as abhorrent and repugnant, the Seanchan attitude on this issue should not surprise us, especially when viewed against our own far-from-flattering history. The Christian doctrine of salvation goes so far in its "holy book" as to enshrine slavery and its "rules," effectively normalizing it. Some examples appealing? Deuteronomy 20:10–14 In war, women and children may be taken as plunder. Deuteronomy 21:10–14 Female captives may be taken as wives after a waiting period. This effectively institutionalizes forced marriage / sexual slavery. Permanent, hereditary slavery of foreigners Leviticus 25:44–46 Israelites may acquire slaves from surrounding nations. These slaves are property for life and may be inherited by children. In contrast, Israelite slaves must not be treated as slaves permanently. They are to be freed after a servitude of 7 years, unless they are tricked (I can expand on this if you wish in another place...) Exodus 21:20–21 (NRSV) “When a slaveowner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property.” The New Testament does not call for the abolition of slavery. Instead, it generally accepts it as a social reality and instructs slaves to obey their masters. So here is my conclusion: just as our own history (up until modern times) regarded slavery as a normal institution—benefiting countless people massively by it (Liverpool’s wealth in the 18th and 19th centuries was largely built on the then-already illegal slave trade)—a social order like that of the Seanchan, living at a cultural level comparable to our European Middle Ages, should really come as no surprise. Your thoughts? Greetings and best 73 --.../...-- de Calean

Thank you very much for your comforting words. The one positive aspect of ageing as one’s memory fades is that, after a while, one no longer even notices it oneself. Isn’t that wonderful? Only those around us then still have to cope with our creeping foolishness — truly their problem!

Thoroughly enjoying seeing the series through your eyes, Starla. I hope your joy continues. Keep plugging and you'll love the ride.

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I believe that over the many years of this forum’s existence—with its changing readership and shifting contributors—the mysterious figure of Nakomi has often been examined and debated. Since those discussions are not truly accessible to me, and because this figure remains so enigmatic, I put the question to you: Who is Nakomi really? A spirit, a personification of the very fabric of time woven by the Wheel itself, a guardian figure, or perhaps an embodiment of the Creator? I look forward to your answers. First Encounter: Nakomi appears to Aviendha in the Aiel Waste. She seems like an elder Aiel woman, posing questions that compel Aviendha to reflect on the future of her people. Second Encounter: She reappears before Rand al’Thor, just as he is about to leave Shayol Ghul. There she speaks only a single line—“Yes, that is good, that you must do”—and then vanishes. Unclear Identity: Robert Jordan left only one brief note about Nakomi (I guess I must have read it somewhere, the exact content I can’t recall, sorry). It did not explain who she was or what role she was meant to play, which made it extremely difficult for Sanderson to weave her into the narrative.

Yeah, they touch on it being its own dimension in-between place in The Dragon Reborn.

I believe that in terms of raw strength, the True Power is stronger and also far more intoxicating than the One Power. Both male and female Forsaken can access it with the Dark One's permission, Rand is able to through his connection to Moridin. Following Tarmon Gai'don the True Power and the Dark One don't disappear, they are simply sealed away as they were before. It was the True Power that led to the Dark One being released, as the Aes Sedai of the Age of Legends sensed it and bored a hole through the pattern to tap it, thus releasing the Dark One. The draw of it was that they sensed an undivided power, and seeing as how the greatest feats of channeling were achieved through men and women working together, they thought this power that was usable by both would be able to achieve even more marvels. The cleansing was accomplished by making a conduit of pure saidar (provided by Nynaeve) and funnelling pure saidin through it. The two ends of the conduit touched saidin itself and Shardar Logoth and Rand was able to use the two different evils to basically cancel each other out. The taint was siphoned off against Shardar Logoth, which resulted in the city being destroyed.

Tel'aran'rhiod is both a dimension and a dream realm. It is a dream realm as it can be touched/entered from dreams, but only by certain people or by odd chance for a very limited time. But it is also a dimension as it can be assessed via a form of gateway. It is a different place of existence, but it is not like the mirror-dimensions accessed via portal stones.

I have been reflecting on the forces that prevail within the universe—at least the universe we humans inhabit, and not that of the strange beings known as the Aelfinn and Eelfinn, who dwell within some kind of multidimensional continuum. There exists the One Power, whose male half has been corrupted, and the True Power, which is attributed directly to the Dark One. I wonder whether there is a difference in strength between the two, and whether, following the Dark One’s defeat, the power ascribed to him would vanish from the sphere of human influence altogether. Furthermore, I cannot recall whether the epic ever mentioned that one of the female Forsaken had access to the True Power. If not, I find myself asking why that should be the case. Furthermore, I have forgotten—since my reading lies several years in the past—how Rand accomplished the cleansing of saidin by means of the very saidin that had been tainted. How can something corrupted possibly cleanse itself?

Mierin Sedai is drawn to power. I wouldn't call that love, but she might. I do think the Forsaken are technically capable of true love, but their blind ambition will usually overshadow that. It's why the Dark Once chose them. It makes them predictable.