my main dislike for the series, is these forums and how "who is so and so reborn?" that just pisses me off.

another thing that kinds of irks me is how every woman in the series is on such a high horse that when they get knocked off they find a higher one to climb onto. (although elayne and nyn do get better I find personnal opinion dont bother trying to say anything about it)

One question on TP:

 

 

How did forsaken learn to channel TP? Is it exactly like OP (five elements) and weaves are exactly the same? But that couldn't be since weaves are not the same for Saidain and Saidar. So how did Rand know what to do in tGS?

 

We know very little about it, but what we do know I can hazard some guesses:

 

1. Ishy has been using it for many years, which is why Moridin has saa.

2. In the death of Mesaana scene, we know Rand channeled Fire to break the Domination band and balefire Mesaana and Elza.

 

So yes, expertise in one transfers to the other, they both use the same elements and weaves, and it is simply an alternate source of the OP.

 

But this leads to disturbing speculation about the relationship between saidar, saidin, and the DO.

 

Not sure about this. Seem to remember that TP comes directly from the DO himself. OP probably from the Creator, then? White/Black - there is a certain symmetry. Also the Creator doesn't interfere personally in the Pattern (for whatever reason) so he wouldn't deny the Forsaken OP, whereas TP is only for those chosen by DO .. certainly sounds like it'd fit into RJ's general WoT philosophy, if you see what I mean.

 

Also, Rand learned to channel intuitively, in large part, and so did the Wisdoms of The Two Rivers. He was killing (one of the three) love(s) of his life! That's enough pressure for anyone to come up with balefire. Maybe. In any case, I don't think the weaves are the same, just as saidin/saidar are not the same (which one would TP correspond to?). The 5 elements theory sounds plausible because there doesn't seem to be much of an alternative, looking at it from an author's perspective (to whatever extent that is possible).

wasnt it stated somewhere that the TP takes the rough shape of the OP when weaving it, so to a woman it would react like saidar, and to a man it would react like saidin

 

Speaking of which - does Thom feels guilty for killing Moiraine's brother Taringail?

 

Doubtful, it was either kill him or allow him to kill Morgase.

yes, I don't see why he should feel guilty about that one. and Moiraine didn't seem to hold it against him either. What's interesting is how she knew that it was him who did it.

 

=/ When did this happen and how did I miss it. Or maybe I´ve simply forgotten it... But Thom killed Taringail?

he didnt do it himself I believe, he just arranged for an 'accident' while he was out on a hunt

For me, the idea that both the Dragon and the Tower left the Borderlands to dangle is one of the single most unforgivable, and unbelievable, things in the story thus far. Especially considering:

 

1) Egwene and Rand are both close to Nynaeve, and Lan.

2) They both regret the Tower not acting soon enough to save Malkier (and so did Moiraine and possible Siuan by the sound of things)

3) Rand intervenes to save Maradon, and says he couldn't let the DO take it after all they did to hold it. Does he think the people of Arafel, Kandor, and Shienar will be any less valiant?

4) Rand vows to Nynaeve, in full Budda Rand, that we won't let Lan down. And then he does so for the rest of the Borderlands. (not to mention not saving the Sea Folk).

 

Really, Egwene wrote some letters and hatched her plots with the Hall and dealt with the murders and Messy. Not saying she had to go personally, but with Gateways, they should have been able to send help. She had both the Guard and the Rebel Army around. Even fearing another Seanchan attack, they should have been able to do something. Heck, Gateways in and out of Heeth tower sending in 5-10 linked sisters with angreal every so often should have been able to hold the Tower for a LONG time.

 

And Rand is even worse. At least Eggy has Forsaken in her midst, and fears another Seanchan attack, and is picking up the pieces. Rand does enough to account for about 5-6 days. The 3 days or so walking (no hurry there) to AS to talk to Egwene. A couple days in Tear to reunite with Tam, ID the DF's, mend with the Aiel and Caddy and send her on her mission. A couple more in Bandar Eban. A day in Maradon. A day to get the Borderland rulers. What did he DO for the rest of the month?

 

We'd better have some kind of plausible explanation.

 

Oops, sorry, this goes a bit afield.

 

No, Elayne shouldn't blame Egwene. It is her duty to protect Caemlyn. She should know better than to empty the city, especially when one can just hop back and get the troops anyway.

rand could have done anything, from recontacting fortuona to stoppign the advancing trollocs, we are meant to be in the dark, if we knew anything the next book wouldnt be nearly so anticipated.

unfortunately andor will be destroyed not by the trollocs but by the incompetence of the lord dragon who allowed the rotting sickness that has spread to the black tower. A sickness that resulted in AS and AM being turned to the shadow.

 

 

Taim was always a Dark Friend and the people he personally "Trained" were too.

 

The reason that they seemed to be coming along so quickly in therir training is because they already knew what to do. Taim brought them into the Black Tower in order to be able to gather his forces right under the Dragon's nose and prepare for the Last Battle where they would serve as Dreadlords.

I dont think that taim was always one, but rather he turned because he didnt want to be second best to rand. but this is off topic

Yes, I believe the columns gave a future vision on the 2nd trip.

 

Unlike the AS doorways, the body doesn't physically disappear. When AS fail, their bodies are never recovered.

 

However, in Rhiudean's case, failure means not returning from the city, not disappearing into the columns. The body stays visible, as Rand was able to see Couladin's brother between visions standing in the columns. (Although apparently corpses disappear.)

 

I think there's a fundamental difference in the way the two ter'angreal function. The AS set appears to be TAR, and people physically enter TAR. The Rhiudean set appears to be something to do with your blood ancestors. You aren't seeing false visions, you're seeing actual memories from your ancestor's eyes.

 

Therefore, the people who don't return from the 2nd trip to Rhiudean are the ones, like Couladin's brother, who killed themselves because they couldn't accept the vision of the future.

uhm your wrong, the people who dont return cant accept the past. as far as we know Avi is the only one who has seen the 'future'

 

 

EDIT: seen the future going through the collumns

 

I was talking about the 2nd time.

 

Yes, other people have gone through a 2nd time, but they never returned from Rhiudean.

 

I extrapolated what happened to Couladin's brother with Avi's experience.

who has gone through the collumns a second time other than avi?

the only ones allowed in Rhuidein a second time where WO's (first time going through the rings for possible futures, second time to see through their ancestors eyes (past)

rand appointed Darlin as his steward, Darlin was elected King though Rand just didnt oppose it, thus Darlin is the king of Tairen initiative not by apppointment.

So by extention of what you said should egwene not get a free pass for anythign elayne might do of her on initiative? elayne is egwenes subordinate

 

Darlin swore fealty to Rand, was appointed as Steward and then chosen as King. The fealty part still applies, Steward or King. Egwene herself acknowledges this when she references his loyalty to the man he was sworn to.

 

Elayne, on the other hand, has never sworn any oaths of fealty to the Amyrlin. In fact, Egwene goes on at some length about how wrong it would be of Elaida to have Aes Sedai do just that. Custom might urge Elayne to follow Egwene's lead but there is no legal binding upon her that I'm aware of.

Tower Law in theory gives the Amyrlin almost unlimited power over the Aes Sedai and openly defying her orders is considered treason. Though in practice the situation is much different and the custom gives the Aes Sedai plenty of ways to evade following the orders of the Amyrlin. And a monarch Aes Sedai would be considered an unique case probably - Elayne at least thinks so.

PoD, Ch. 20

 

Necessary and right, though; when she sat on the Lion Throne, she would still be Aes Sedai, and subject to the laws and rules and customs of Aes Sedai. Not for Andor — she would not give her land to the White Tower — but for herself. "

actually Elayne has to follow egwenes orders to the letter or else it could be seen as favouritism and Egwene could slam down on her like she did to nyn during her testing (by making it excessively hard)

Yes, I believe the columns gave a future vision on the 2nd trip.

 

Unlike the AS doorways, the body doesn't physically disappear. When AS fail, their bodies are never recovered.

 

However, in Rhiudean's case, failure means not returning from the city, not disappearing into the columns. The body stays visible, as Rand was able to see Couladin's brother between visions standing in the columns. (Although apparently corpses disappear.)

 

I think there's a fundamental difference in the way the two ter'angreal function. The AS set appears to be TAR, and people physically enter TAR. The Rhiudean set appears to be something to do with your blood ancestors. You aren't seeing false visions, you're seeing actual memories from your ancestor's eyes.

 

Therefore, the people who don't return from the 2nd trip to Rhiudean are the ones, like Couladin's brother, who killed themselves because they couldn't accept the vision of the future.

uhm your wrong, the people who dont return cant accept the past. as far as we know Avi is the only one who has seen the 'future'

EDIT: seen the future going through the collumns

Darlin is King of Tear, but Rand is still in control of Tear and gives him orders, so ultimately it's mostly his responsibility.

 

Not if Darlin acts on his own. Like by obeying Egwene's summons when he is supposed to be mustering the Tairens, for example.

 

Darlin was Rand's appointment. Just as Elayne shouldn't get a free pass for anything Gawyn might do on his own initiative, so too should Rand be said to bear the responsibility for his subordinates actions. IMO, at least, and only on a moral basis. I could easily see a swave political customer like LTT expressing shock and dismay if Tear were to be attacked and dissapointment at the betrayal that made it possible, but I think we all know that if Rand had really wanted to stop the Tairens from being at Merrilor he could have.

rand appointed Darlin as his steward, Darlin was elected King though Rand just didnt oppose it, thus Darlin is the king of Tairen initiative not by apppointment.

So by extention of what you said should egwene not get a free pass for anythign elayne might do of her on initiative? elayne is egwenes subordinate

I dont like Egwene but Caemlyn's fate is not her fault. Its Elayne's. By definition if you insist on making yourself the final authority over a nation then anything that happens in that nation is your resonsibility. Basically, the buck stops with the Queen. She could have refused to comply with Egwene's desires but she didn't. Similarly, if Tar Valon gets crushed by the Seanchan while its forces are at Merrilor, that will be Egwene's fault alone. And if the same happens to Tear or Illian - Rand's.

actually you contradict yourself, rand isnt ruler of either tear, Darlin is, so he cannot be blamed for anythign that happens in tear according to you

I remember a min quote. "all that he is can be seized" in relation to callandor

could someone say the full quote I think it means the dragon soul could be seized by the DO during the final battle

actually I just realized, Egwene may have the largest standing army at home. She may have left the tower guard at tar valon, or bryne behind and barely anyone would know better. I think that may be important soon. what will the leaders think when (if) the WT is attacked and they find out egwene left a large amount of troops at home in case of attack when she persuades the others to ignore dangers and bring their full armies?

on one hand I could see how egwene could be to blame, since as AS elayne must do as the amyrlin says, on the other hand though she is a free monarch (as far as she can be and still be AS)

and I dont doubt for a second that egwene formed the 'request' more like a demand for elayne. As for how many troops she took to FoM, we dont know how many andoran troops she took, she may have only took enough to be an honour guard with the bulk of the forces that are with her being cairheinan, we just dont know so we can say whether she made a mistake or not

4) Mat was RAPED and no other characters cared, and he has not thought about it since... Really?

 

 

because he liked it....eventually :)

stockholm syndrome

my main complaint is these forums and topics that keep coming up like: Who is Mat really?

it just irritates me how many times i have seen that type of topic pop up

Do we know, roughly, how many Aiel are with Perrin's army?

 

Afaik, the only fighting Aiel with Perrin were always Bain, Chiad, and Gaul. But, after the rescue of Faile, there were an undetermined number of Aiel gai'shan taken prisoner, so now the number is unknown.

I thought the only number we had was that Gaul was the only male Aiel with them. After all they would not have sent 4+ WO's without adequate protection, plus theres Sulin

Plus, if the Evil-Aiel from ToM could survive in the blight, I am sure there are ways for other non-shadowspawn to survive.

 

I guess this leads to a new question: Were those confirmed as Aiel? My first impression was that they were the Snake Finns hunting Mat through the hole in the ToG.

they where not. the snake finn theory is also one of the worst I ever heard, why would they wander from central andor to the borderlands? especially since they would have to go against the flwo of trollocs out of the borderlands

Hello! So here's my question: the chapter summaries online for TEotW suggest that Mat leaves the Two Rivers with a Two Rivers longbow in hand (Chapter 10). I don't own the first book, so what I want to ask is: when does he lose it? I'm drawing some fan art of Rand and Mat making their way to Caemlyn (oh so many years ago ...), but I can't decide whether to include the longbow in the drawing. Thanks in advance!

I think he loses it in the flight from SL, at least I cant remember him having it after that point

I don't recall power wrought armor ever being mentioned in the series. I assume it doesn't exist? If not, why? The weapons made with the Power are unbreakable yes, so why not make armor too?

presumably because it would fuse together, so chainmail would become a like wearing a shirt of super light concrete, no good. And making plate connected by leather strapping that may not be best because the straps are still open for attack and can leave the warrior defenselss

yes, the wars decimated populations, especially the trolloc wars. Various other human wars have done their part along with famine and such. So there would be a lot of souls in limbo

Quick one here.

 

If an Aes Sedai who's taken the oaths becomes a damane, e.g. Elaida, are they still bound to the oaths?

they are still bound, the seanchan did extensive torturing sessions to explore the extent of it

yeah but don't you think Demandred would be using the whole Andor hate method with the Murandian soldiers?

Yeah, but I doubt they would have gated in. More likely they'll attack from the outside.

yeah, I think it is a two tiered attack, that once troops start getting pulled back from the borders due to the caemlyn attack, murandy will sweep in. So even if the caemlyn attack itself is unsuccessful there is a followup attack that could destroy it (depending if the current attack seizes the gates and/or destroys them)

I've got a question.

 

 

What did Rand need to apologize to Hurin for? I can't remember.

being a dick when hurin delivered the message about the meeting

I thought it had more to do wiht his passion for travelling, much like how Nyn is fantastic with healing, since it is her passion.

Is channeling genetic or from your soul? I know that many times we've heard that channeling has to do with your soul, e.g. Aran'gar, but the books also state that the reason fewer channelers are being found is because they are culling out the trait, which would imply that it is genetic.

both, you have to have the genes and the proper soul.

How did the Trollocs get into Caemlyn if Rand had the waygate guarded? What happened there?

unknown, it may be that ishy has been reading rands mind using the connection and undoing all rands work