Would lynch : RTE, Lenlo Could be convinced: Dice Could be convinced but he's been saying nice things about me: Turin

Cow

If Z is cleared now, why are you arguing about this. What does it matter?

Also it is worthwhile pointing out that both Lenlo and RTE are having a go at Gudrean while also recommending we lynch her. Yet if she is wolf, she isn't a millstone around anyone's neck, and she isn't playing bad, she has beguiled the two lock clear players, is having fun, lighting up the chat and making Town work hard to lay any hard suspicion on her. She cannot be a wolf and a terrible town player. This repeated concept of policy lynching town players does not seem to be in town's favour. That said you could still be a wolf despite all that, Gudrean 😘

I still cannot get off the feeling how EoD1 went down was suspicious. But it can only have been suspicious if RTE is a wolf. Otherwise the whole menu was Town. I still have no explanation for Lenlo and RTE's behaviour on D1 apart from trying to disrupt Town. That said if Lenlo's behaviour was wolf motivated that would make it so overwhelmingly obvious that it is hard to accept. TWTBW. And RTE was fairly convincing in his denial. No idea what to make of that. But I don't have anything else to go on. Apart from the cleared players anykne is plausible as a wolf, plausible as town. D1 just seemed to go so bad I'm not sure how we recover. I'll be around at DL, should anyone be interested.

We'll have to disagree. I think it should be given that everyone is trying their best. There is a difference between criticizing and attacking. Like if I was the Vig I would never have gone for Shad, so yes criticizing Verb seems fair enough. I wouldn't cause I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing better than me, but criticizing in-game decisions or reads or whatever is fine. Me telling a player he is a millstone around Town's neck and he is going to lose the game for us because he is a terrible player and I wish he had never come back, is obviously not OK and I cannot see that this should even be up for discussion. But there isn't any point taking it further. All I am saying is that all this antagonism I don't see is helping anyone nor is it making it any more fun for anyone.

Someone did not lie to me. Italics, I'm pointing out this new player hate is not restricted to any one alignment. That blatantly is NAI, but you do you. Call out does not mean personally attack. Like I say, your "wolf says what?" push on Gud is totally fair,imo. Last game I had both Z and Turin going at me and it wasn't fun, but it is the game. Attacking people personally and their game style I don't see as pushing.

If the low activity is Town, then would they not be considered LHF? One more mislynch to Wolf victory?

I never said anything about evading consequences, I'm talking about other players treating you like crap because you aren't playing the way they want you to. It's one thing about making a case against someone, it is another thing to just try to make the game as unpleasant as possible for them. Like RTE pushing Gudrean to see how she will react seems like a valid game plan. Lenlo waxing lyrically about how she is a millstone around his neck does not to me. In my most humble opinion of course. And I also don't like how these discussions detract from solving, and are completely NAI, but I feel are rather forced upon us. It seems it should be a given that Town players are trying to get town to win and wolves are trying to win. It seems like that is too much up for debate in this game.

With the staff it is just "being cool in a magic way", IMHO. Not so dissimilar to book!Moiraine in tEotW using her staff to spit fire and all that stuff. Magic user has staff, is expected to use it in a magically cool way.

This is such a weird game. Turin appears helpful but is just free-wheeling through the chat, rather than trying to control it. He has sweet talked me by believing I'm Town so it's difficult to get a read on him. Everything he has posted seems plausible. Dice seems too quiet. Makes sense but doesn't seem to be deep diving. Lenlo claims that he didn't fill the thread with pointless NAI argument early on, even though everyone saw him and Zander do so. Claims he isn't combat e while telling me to "piss off" for trying to help. Claims I make stuff up, misrepresent everything and just am a terrible player, yet also sees this as an argument to lynch me. How can being a bad player be AI? Helping new players does not mean you have to bully them or make the game unpleasant for them. Don't get you at all as your antagonism is major distraction in the thread which doesn't help Town at all, and the way you moved your vote about didn't make any sense to me. RTE's admiration of Lenlo is bizarre. I have no idea what to make of this cheerleading and it is this weird dynamic that most made suspicious of them both. It seems strange that we as new players are told we can play the way we want, we don't have to answer questions or be super active etc but then older players attack them in the thread and moan about millstones around their necks. I don't see how that attitude is meant to help. I have been trying to solve for Town, or pretendíng to so I don't look suspicious, and I have been treated like I was polluting this fine thread for daring to do so. Others have been quieter and have been attacked for being quiet. I just don't see how Town benefits from this atmosphere, though I do see how the wolves do. But then it would be so obvious to act like this... So WIFOM. I cannot read you guys. I cannot see an underlying wolf tactic, I cannot really see what town is trying to do. I get pushing players by calling them sus, but pushing them by calling them bad I don't get.

Fair enough. Didn't say I was recommending it, lol.

We are making great strides I see in solving this game, lol. Maybe it is the Battleships virus, we're infected and every game is going to be like this from now on. If we try to have a round of golf we'd die of old age on the course...

Agreed. This Bela is the Dark One heresy needs to be stamped out with balefire, IMHO.

From the voting, Lenlo, Cairos, Dice makes kind of sense given Dice's comment he would move if you didn't... Except. Should it be that clear? Those three wouldn't have cared who got lynched out of those targets. Unless it was to save the most popular lunch menu for repeat course on next day? Not sure that really makes sense. Why not just let whichever Town dies die, and not leave a pattern in the voting? Lenlo moving is vote about like that is only suspicious really if RTE is a wolf, as far as I can see it. Really left scratching me head here.

Are we any closer to any kind of consensus? We seem to be a bit divided in our attentions. Or maybe that is just me and I am projecting. I'm starting to feel Lenlo is such an obvious wolf that he probably isn't. Or WIFOM. Sighs. Turin/Dice/Gud? I really struggling. Don't really get wolf vibes off Turin, but is that because he says I'm probably Town? Is he playing it cool as a wolf? I wish you guys would come up with some convincing arguments.

Galad

Double

Fixies

I don't like RTE's push on Gud if is genuinely motivated by a wolf read. But if it is a "poke it with a stick and see which way it jumps" push I think it makes sense. Gudrean is a plausible wolf but there is very little if anything to pin on her. Get her to post more than memes and everyone has a better chance to read. It does come across as a bit mean, but I can see how it is actually serving a purpuse in game.

Ah, sorry. I do apologize for the combative comment. Obviously very wrong there.

Also just to say I thought I needed to apologise for my outburst last night but I can see now I should have held the rest of the post for post match. My bad.

Well, I think I have already done that. Though to be fair, other people may have a reading. I'm having trouble getting a read on you, Lenlo. Your tone has been very prickly and non-constructive throughout but I suppose that could very easily be NAI. I don't get why you are being so combative. I think a lot of people with outcome of D1 feel the need to reevaluate completely. You don't seem to quite have the same feeling, or am I wrong about that?

My suspicions on Dice, which are part of a Null read, would last game he was very much laser-pointed (that isn't a phrase sorry) on one issue which then became his reason for lynching that day. This game he doesn't seem to have that fire. Though I could be reading it wrong, and it could be due to simply different circumstances. It is pretty weak sauce, which is why I have a Null read.

Lot of shade being cast my way. Not a fan of Lenlo's tone but there you are. Cannot dispute the ownership of being inexperienced, or not, but don't see how that relates to AI so cannot argue. Don't know what I'm meant to be fishing for so cannot dispute that either. Null reads on Dice and Turin? Can't help that. I was sus of them both last game, was wrong. This game they seem maybe a bit more sus as they seem a bit more passive, but that could be NAI, and I know my reading of them isn't great and I cannot do a meta reading from the second game. So I cannot dispute that either. I guess I am just hugely suspicious by nature.