Yes, he never trashed the show but clearly many things he likes and many are not satisfactory for him (and for a part of the fan-base).

If BS goes on criticizing, I bet some of the more hardcore showcloaks will argue that probably RJ should have chosen Rafe to end WoT books.

"Why did Rand need to be there? Just give Egwene a sword" 

LOL

Instead of all this ambiguity and incoherent writing that needs philosophical debate , wasn't it easier to have her rescued and then her revenge?

How could noone did come up with something so linear and coherent ?  

Spoiler alert: someone did

8 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

 

The entire tension of the books for me was Rand and whether he's too far gone, what sort of victory would it be if he won and remained the ice-cold Rand, the tension between light and dark, and the road to hell paved with good intentions. 

 

Ingtar set that up in book 2, the show should never have bothered with him if they weren't going to give him the full arc. Give it to Liandrin now and it will likely pay off very well - however I still think we need someone close to Rand to show him that path/danger. 

The Ingtar reveal as a Darkfriend and his redemption was so effective and moving in the books. There was no reason in the show to keep him while spoiling of this arc and its relevance in Rand's growth. 

I totally agree with you.

Just now, notpropaganda73 said:

 

that place is not a fun place to be 

Credit where it is due: ofc the admins of this forum are supporting the show (for many reasons) but still they give room for opposing reasonable opinions.

20 minutes ago, Scarloc99 said:

Season 3 will track closely to book 4, the writers had to get all of books 1-3 into 2 seasons. 

If it is in the same way that S2 should have been closer to the books...

At this point, it is also irrelevant. Rafe and his team are doing THEIR thing and they will succeed or fail not on the basis of how well they will adapt the material but how good this other turning of the wheel will be...

Quite a meltdown of the show-cloaks on the WOTShow subreddit for this.

By the way, I guess it is fair criticism.

S2 is better than S1 but still (imho) not at a satisfactorily level.

Guys, if S3 is Book 4, I am very curious.

It is not easy to adapt it.

Just for example, you need to really define well Aiel culture to then make an impact when revealing the Rhuidean truth

2 minutes ago, Mailman said:

But they were still bound by the oaths they had to feel in enough danger personally before they could be involved in the fight. If it was made clear that they would in no way be targeted they would have been useless.

Yes, that was my point 😄

At Dumai Wells, the AS clearly put themselves in danger to be able to fight, i.e. to avoid being bound by the Oaths.

On 10/6/2023 at 9:54 PM, Jaysen Gore said:

A: this is true

B: GOT had that there hard R / HBO / Skinemax vibe happening

C - GOT has better early source material to draw on. 

 

I actually feel that WOT will turn out better than GOT. We now have an accurate reflection of how the writers are going to adapt the series - for good or ill - but they have the whole series to work to. Rafe has gone off script, but still has to get to the sample place.

 

With GOT, D&D didn't go offscript - they ran out of script. and so far, I prefer Rafe's independently created content more than D&D's

 

GOT had also better actors (really incredible casting), all the technical part was top-notch due to HBO experience.

I agree that GOT destroyed itself when ran out of source material but I don't think that Rafe is more talented than D&D either,,,his writing is on par with GOT last season.

However, if we want to make a honest comparison, we need to ask ourselves:

given GOT early source material, would Rafe (and his crew of writers) be able to give us something as good as GOT early seasons? For me, the answer is no.

Overall, cting in WOT is not the weak point of the show (even is Rosamund Pike this season has not been great imho)

Many technical aspects seem to have been fixed (even if they still don't know how to do action scenes)

Writing is still the biggest issue imho and not (only) because it diverges abruptly from source.

On 10/7/2023 at 4:33 PM, Jaysen Gore said:

At this point, I'm still assuming 8 seasons. the Ratings are good enough, the budget is moderate, and Bezos is a fan.  And if we get season 4, I bet they commit to finishing it so the writers can plan the rest of it out and make sure it fits.

I am very skeptical about the possibility of 8 seasons.

I am pretty sure it won't be cancelled because rarely Prime does it (and they started only recently).

Were it Netflix, it would have been already dumped two years ago but I don't think that Prime, which is still trying to gain credibility as a platform, will take this route.

If I had to bet my 2 cents now, I would say four/five seasons, honestly.

Not wrong, her subplot was the worst part of S2 and honestly Rosamund Pike acting was way below her standards.

But she is producer of the show...so she will stay central.

4 hours ago, Mirefox said:

Season 1 was a 3/10, this season is a 5/10.  Better trash is still trash.  The effects, sets, acting, etc. were generally better this season.  The writing is still mediocre to borderline incompetent.

I would rise by a point on both seasons.

Again, as bookreader I feel that I am missing the opportunity to see in live-action some of the most iconic moments of the books and I am quite sure there will be no other adaptation in the near-future.

Detaching myself from the books, I am trying to see it as a different version but honestly, as a show itself, I don't see it being great either, it has way too many issues. However, the technical part has been improved. 

I really love the early books, probably TGH more among them.

1 minute ago, Guire said:

How often does the kung fu master show his butt and serve fruit? Because I think Prime is interested.

He is an expert of the sacred and secret tecnique of nipple-torque

Imagine a tv-drama in which a character loses her sense of hearing

Then her partner, a kung fu master, after moaning for 6 episode, discovers ancient medicine that could save her

The surgery is performed by a college freshman who has literally dumped all his semester classes.

That's it

2 minutes ago, fra85uk said:

I agree with much of the criticism on Rand's arc but again this stems from the choice of not directly having him as a main character for two seasons.

Honestly, I feel like that they will never switch to him being main character even in future (how many at this point? I am not betting for cancellation but neither on 8 full seasons) and they'll keep other characters' POV even when he will become the leader of the Light he is meant to be (I imagine but who can say that? Frankly i would not be surprised if the Elaida plan of having him on a leash in the White Tower until the last battle this time works) . 

I imagine that they will keep him as a more "distant" figure of power and still focus on the more developed supporting cast

(which by the way would not be far from some parts of later books but would feel a little bit diminished without having Rand's arc first).

P.s. sorry for double post

I agree with much of the criticism on Rand's arc but again this stems from the choice of not directly having him as a main character for two seasons.

Honestly, I feel like that they will never switch to him being main character even in future (how many at this point? I am not betting for cancellation but neither on 8 full seasons) and they'll keep other characters' POV even when he will become the leader of the Light he is meant to be (I imagine but who can say that? Frankly i would not be surprised if the Elaida plan of having him on a leash in the White Tower until the last battle this time works) . 

I imagine that they will keep him as a more "distant" figure of power and still focus on the more developed supporting cast.

On 9/29/2023 at 6:03 PM, Elder_Haman said:

Imma need a citation.

I'd wager that if you had the data, it would result in basically a bell curve. A few people who REALLY love it, a few people who REALLY hate it. And the vast majority somewhere in the middle.

I see it a little bit differently

When WOT-show was announced I bet noone and say noone would ever ever said:

" I Imagine that they will do "who is the Dragon" in S1, Nyn will be "resurrected" by Eg after they have destroyed the forces of the DO, Mat will be part of a disfunctional family, Perrin will have a wife and so on..."
In other words, this is for sure not the adaptation that a book-fan could have expected even if any reasonable book-fan would have expected cuts and changes.

If I had a time-machine and came here years ago proposing Rafe's script for the WOT-show, I bet I would have been mocked by all the community.

However, this is what it is and none of us can change it.

Some of us book-fans just stopped watching during/after S1 (the numbers say this)

Some are trying to watch (me) trying to think of it as an alternate story but still hoping that they course-correct a little bit

Some like/love the show as it is.

12 hours ago, Dagon Thyne said:

As daniel green has said, It's best to look at this as an alternate reality to the book world.  Think of it as just another alternate universe throughout the portal stones where the story is different than in the books.

This is what I think to watch the TV-show without prejudices and continuosly saying in my head "that's not what happens in the books"

However, I also dare to say that I still find myself thinking "why bother adapting WoT if so much has to be changed?"

I am an oscillating superposition of these two states, depending on the quality of the just-watched episode.

4 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

How about a scene where Rand accidentally walks in on Lan, who quickly shoves something under his pillow.  Rand questions him and Lan reveals that he’s reading about Jain Farstrider and can’t get enough of his adventures.  Lan is outed as a book nerd and he and Loial start a book club.

And then Jain Farstrider gets adapted in some travelling theatre by a Cairhenese playwriter known as Rafim Judchim but...but it is so different from the book!

2 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

I’m confused about pacing.  I thought going in to this season that this was supposed to be books 2 and 3.  Yet we are seemingly going to finish right where 2 finishes.  Are they going to conflate Falme and Tear, or maybe rush Tear to start Season 3 and out to The Wastes from there?

No way they can possibly do Falme AND Tear in the Season finale

Would be more probable to have first half S3 Tear an second half Aiel wastes

5-6 S4

7-8 S5

9-10 S6

and so on up to S8

It would not be an impossible feat, they might ask Lan to study how to do it

Just now, Agitel said:

There's just little sloppy things like that (Lan having read it in a book) which feels so easily resolved by him being given some comment by Verin. S2 is a step up from S1 in many regards, but there are little things which just seem off.

Here a rare image of Lan re-discovering Travelling and other lost Talents: