7 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

I doubt shannara - or even the witcher - had as many enraged fans so hard bent on sinking the show by voting 1, though. just because those franchises had many less fans, or (in case of the witcher) book fans.

and according to the data on viewership, the show was successful, with very few people starting it and not finishing it - the most clear mark that they didn't like it.

Again, numbers tells that this is NOT true. Imbd numbers have a low % of 1 while we have more than 3 % of 10s.

On the second point, every statistics on engagement see a significant drop during the period in which the show has aired.

5 hours ago, ilovezam said:

Logain's episode was pretty cool!

 

There you go, the one thing done well in the show. Kinda.

That episode, while it is considered the best, represents the the beginning of the end.

In fact, (i)it serves to guide the viewer towards the fan-fiction of ep5-6 (ii)  it collapse the internal consistency of the magic system with a multiple miracle-healing out of nowhere (iii) it definitely put aside the ones that should be the main characters.

Furthermore, from a technical point, it features the worst battle scene ever recorded with, cherry on top, the idiotical death of the king of Gheldean.

7 minutes ago, EmreY said:

 

I'm not going to watch it.  Isildur apparently has a sister called Carine.  That's enough for me.

Don't worry. He will fridge her to speed up his development

GoT has an outstanding watch value and a poor rewatch value, a thing that probably is intrinsic of the way in which the show was structured

Rafe wanted to do some smoke&mirrors to have fans not rioting before the show and having someone to point and say "look, there is one of YOU consulting us: that's how much we care" was a smart move. She took the job, we do not know what she really did, we only know that the outcome, of which she is not responsable, is (i want to be generous) debatable. 

Honestly i do not think that she could Have an impact on the direction (off a cliff) taken by the show.

I Have come to the conclusion that the current Hollywood level of talent cannot give us a good WoT-show anyway. 

Well 7/10 is more or less the same as Shannara (and we are considering imbd which is an upper limit)

The Witcher has around 8

Arcane around 9

2 minutes ago, Ralph said:

I am expecting i iii iv.

Not sure about ii.

I think will have the duel of V but maybe not in the sky. 

 

Would that be enough to tempt you? ?

Nope, i am willing to accept all kind of cuts (i loved dontwannabe-lord Rand in Cairhen for example) but I Am not coming back for less than perfect execution of Falme with both Rand's grand moments.

I reverse tour question and tell you what would make me join again:

a) re-establish the dignity of Mat 

b) have the Falme plot following the books with (i) the girls saving Egwene (ii) Rand duel with Turak (iii) Ingtar epic moment (iv) Mat blowing the horn (v) Rand battling Ishy in the sky

Knowing that this has been done, i will come back to watch and don't complain anymore.

Previously on Rafe of time

9 hours ago, fra85uk said:

Blip 

Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

Scrrrrrrrrrrrr....

slapping frantically the screen

 

Oh, we are in the writing room.

 

Rafe: "Season 2! Let's start rolling. I was thinking...cold open ep.1: Lews Therin is madly walking among the debris of his house, destruction and dead bodies everywhere and at some point..."

Anonymous writer 1: "he meets with Isham..."

Rafe: "Fired! Next one in please. He meets with Latra who briefly releases him from his madness to say <Ah Ah I told you so, you stupid arrogant man> " .

Anonymous writer 2 while taking notes: " <Ah Ah> with a solemn tone?"

Rafe: "Think about Nelson"

AW2: "Mandela?"

Rafe "Simpson's Nelson, you ****. Next!"

AW3: "ehmm...and then LTT suicides and creates Dragonmount?"

Rafe: "No, this would be sooooooooooooooooo cliché. Latra nukes LTT and creates Dragonmount. Then, looking at the mayhem from distance <Farewell, Dragon reborn. Our only hope now  is that the Dragon Reborn Reborn will be a female>"

 

To be continued

Now, notwithstanding some unfair criticism but a single showcloak that hurt me deeply (I am looking at you DaddyFinn), in my immense goodness, I have to share the magnificent discoveries available by the use of my machine.

So let's go back in the writing room....

Rafe: "Ok, the cold open is sorted. Now let's think about the main characters"

AW3: "So, what aboout Ran.."

Gun-shot

Rafe: "How many times have I to repeat that this name should not be pronounced here?"

Door opening, trembling figure entering

Rafe looking at the newcomer: "Now, you know that you made oaths. You thought that they were just mere words...right?"

AW4: "No, my lord"

Rafe: "Then take notes. Moraine is stilled or shielded, who cares? I have not decided yet but the important thing is that she cannot channel. Do you understand what does it mean?"

AW4 "Ehm, no my lord"

Rafe: "It's time for her to uncover new skills!"

AW4: "maybe we can have Lan training Moiraine with the sword?"

Rafe: " Pitiful. That's why I am the showrunner and you will probably die in the next 15 minutes, but I commend you for your courage"

AW4: "Please, my lord show my the way"

Rafe: "First: if Moiraine would want to become a swordmaster, she would need no man to teach her. Second: Pike's contract does not include action scenes (S1 first episode I made it count as dance scene) and I have already spent half of the budget in temporary tattoos for Seanchan extras. Third..."

Door opening with a bang, dark figure approaching

"How is going Rafe?" the voice whispered

To be continued

12 minutes ago, ArrylT said:

 

I've given season 1 a grade of 8.5/10 while giving the show itself a 10/10.   You'll find plenty of YT Content Creators who like or love the show but have given critical grades in the 7-8 range.  

Wow. How much would you rate:

a) The Sopranos.

b) Breaking Bad.

c) GoT season 1.

Because i would not give 10 even to them, and they are like not even comparable to WoT-show.

7 minutes ago, Terry05 said:

I’d be interested to see what the rating was without the two 

It goes down to 7.04.

If you also take away 9 and 2, it goes 6.72.

Just now, Terry05 said:

No I wasn’t. I said take both the 1s and 10s out of the equation.

And you get a lower number because the 10s are more than three times the 1s.

2 minutes ago, Terry05 said:

47.6% 7-9

18.2% 2-6

 

Looks solid enough to me.

 

You were arguing that the average was underestimated because of 1s. I proved that it is overestimated for the 10s.

1 minute ago, Terry05 said:

But we said look at the ratings without the 10s and 1s…

Exactly if from an average you take away  27% made of 10s and 7% made of 1s, the number goes down.

Just now, Terry05 said:

Do you? A lot more 7-9 ratings than 2-6 from my memory 

There are lots more 10s than 1s. Imbd for example has 27% 10s (amazon astroturfing?) and 7% of 1s.

2 minutes ago, Terry05 said:

And also the 65% on RT is the audience score. Last I checked there wasn’t even 5k votes. When I look at RT I tend to check the critic score only. Fans and haters of shows, especially when it is an adaption, brining with it an established fan base, tend to skew results. Prime example is IMDb. The show is not a 10/10 nor is it a 1/10.

If you take away the 10 and 1 you still get a low result

1 minute ago, Sir_Charrid said:

Angry people invested enough in WOT to go and vent about how bad it all is have made voices heard, that does not define the majority. 

Yes but viewers ratings oscillating between 6.5/10 and 4.7/10 with top critics at 5.4/10 at least indicate that the majority find the show between passable and mediocre 

4 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

Which goes to show that maybe a good TV adaptation should throw the book out the window and ignore the source material?

 

I am not talking About adaptation. I am talking About in-show qualities. The main defects of the show do not stem from poor adaptation but originate from poor filming, poor storytelling, poor dialogue, underwhelming action (exception: ep7 cold open), overuse of tropes like fake-out deaths.

Well on rotten tomatoes is at 65%, metacritic on 4.7. 

Just for comparison, the Witcher has 76% and 6.9.

54 minutes ago, Raal Gurniss said:

 

 

Some of my favourite shows have had terrible special effects, hammy acting, cheesy scripts etc, but at least I could be passionate AND admit the deep flaws.

 I Have never lost a Supernatural episode in my life but i know that is not a masterpiece.

At the same time, I know Titanic is objetively a great movie but i would never spend +2hours of my Life rewatching it.

17 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

So tiresome.

All the effort i have put ?

tuning the machine, plugging wires, find Rafe's tell and you reward me with a low-effort post ?

Blip 

Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

Scrrrrrrrrrrrr....

slapping frantically the screen

Oh, we are in the writing room.

Rafe: "Season 2! Let's start rolling. I was thinking...cold open ep.1: Lews Therin is madly walking among the debris of his house, destruction and dead bodies everywhere and at some point..."

Anonymous writer 1: "he meets with Isham..."

Rafe: "Fired! Next one in please. He meets with Latra who briefly releases him from his madness to say <Ah Ah I told you so, you stupid arrogant man> " .

Anonymous writer 2 while taking notes: " <Ah Ah> with a solemn tone?"

Rafe: "Think about Nelson"

AW2: "Mandela?"

Rafe "Simpson's Nelson, you ****. Next!"

AW3: "ehmm...and then LTT suicides and creates Dragonmount?"

Rafe: "No, this would be sooooooooooooooooo cliché. Latra nukes LTT and creates Dragonmount. Then, looking at the mayhem from distance <Farewell, Dragon reborn. Our only hope now  is that the Dragon Reborn Reborn will be a female>"

To be continued

I will prove to you be foreshadowing abilities in a few...Just give me the time to set up my device.

12 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

It can't be "in fact". Season 2 takes place in the future.

Can you 100% assume

 that i cannot time-travel? :d 

Look, when Cowboy bebop was cancelled, one of the writers started to blame the nerds on Twitter (i.e. the same category they constantly mocked) These hollywood people are always right in their mind.