That would be on brand.

The scuttlebutt is that renewal is dependent on how things go this season. My understanding is that it’s Sony that is holding things up.

Season 4 has not been greenlit.

This is just my honest take. One of the things I'm most critical of in this show is the big battle scenes. I don't think they've done one right to this point in the series. The things that are supposed to have been massive fights have just felt very small. The one exception to that was Winternight, which I felt they did well from a scale perspective but failed at from a pacing perspective. It went on way too long. They could have trimmed a solid two minutes of that fight and lost nothing. That's not to say I don't enjoy the show. I really do. Everyone understands that one of the things that's so hard about adapting WoT is it's scale. To tell the story effectively on t.v., you have to make it a character focused action/drama. But it's not written that way. So you have to be able to sort of zoom in - write episodes that are crisp, centered on easily understandable plot arcs, and focus on the main characters. But you also have to be able to zoom out - depict massive, world changing, epic events which requires a sense of the massive scale to do properly. I think Rafe is really good at the former, but not so great at the latter.

I’m pretty sure the COVID issues hadn’t hit yet when the Logain episode was shot.

Seems to me there is value in knowing everything that people are watching. The fact that I Love Lucy is still drawing views demonstrates what I high quality show it is. An “inactive series” with staying power is worth studying. And if your product isn’t beating “Frasier” reruns, that tells you quite a bit.

Sure. I don't claim to have any specialized knowledge of the industry. On the other hand, we are already waiting 18-24 months between seasons. S4 will not get a running start without a renewal notice. The longer the gap between S3 and S4 is likely to be, the less excited the studio will be to renew. It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way.

I agree 100%

I don't know if I'd go that far. No renewal announcement is a bad sign no matter which way you slice it. But if it isn't renewed, it won't be because the show isn't getting engagement.

Yes. If you cross reference this data with the historical data from televisionstats.com, you'll see that there was a significant spike in engagement with Wheel of Time content in mid-February. It went from #369 overall on February 6 to #151 overall on February 13 and then climbed again to #75 overall on February 21. Parrot's rolling average would take into account this spike which, I suspect, was related to viewers going back to re-watch in advance of S3 and tuning in to watch the 11-minute special release. Correct. But what is wrong with that? Parrot explains precisely what the data set does: Can you explain why or how this is somehow invalid? Right. I'm sure this multi-million dollar analytics company (currently valued at $13.4M) who is trusted by many industry leaders is rolling out "a site designed to produce a couple of good looking graphs."

Even before that. Remember the battle with Logain's "army"? It also suffered from scale problems. You'd think that they would use a small part of that FX budget to at least do some top-down shots where it's easy to add a CGI 'crowd' to the battle.

This is an interesting data set from Parrot Analytics (dated 3/11/25): https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/the-wheel-of-time-amazon-prime-video/amp This article makes the case that WoT is a better investment for Amazon than RoP: https://www.parrotanalytics.com/insights/rings-of-power-vs-the-wheel-of-time-amazon-revenue/

Mieren is a master manipulator, and she absolutely sees herself as above the Aiel in the AoL. She can feign caring about someone or having a close relationship with them. It doesn't mean that she views them as anything worth remembering.

The key thing here is “seemed to”. They didn’t. I think the bigger issue is that they decided to turn season one in to a “who is the Dragon” mystery. It was a bad idea that really set everything back, IMO. If they had leaned into the darker aspects of the prophecies, really played up the dangers of male channelers, and made S1 more of a psychological thriller, it would have worked much better. They could even have gone with “is it Mat or Rand?” and gotten away with it. (Casting issues aside). With the exception of a couple clunky things in E8, I feel like it has been a pretty darn good adaptation since the beginning of S2.

I doubt Mieren cared enough about her servants to remember what they looked like. Especially in the midst of opening the Bore

Probably. They wouldn’t be wrong.

So far, most of the available metrics are positive. The OP's source about a 6% drop is based on an extremely limited data set. (Samba is an opt-in service that only tracks TV data - not laptop or mobile streams - and only for people subscribed.) As of today, it's Amazon's #3 show and is ranked #10 among all streaming shows. It still has an online engagement score of 25.11, which qualifies as high engagement. https://televisionstats.com/s/the-wheel-of-time#

On your friend’s hearsay? Likely not.

Exactly. And then when it is demonstrated that this risk is actually very low, you pretend that we are arguing about something else. But this isn’t productive or entertaining, so I’m going to stop engaging now. Enjoy the rest of your day.

I’m not the one throwing a tantrum.

Holy cow!! Move the goalposts much?!? Your original argument was that the whole Tanchico massacre scene was bad because it was stupid for the Black Ajah to kill so many people because they would attract too much attention. This, you said, made the scene unrealistic. Now, faced with the undeniable fact that things like this happen all the time in the real world, you shift to “well it isn’t impossible because there are examples in the book of something similar happening.” You’re right. It isn’t impossible. Maybe the writers will write that it happens. The point remains that the scene wasn’t unrealistic or badly written because of some hypothetical public uproar over the consequences.

Bro, you didn't force me to do anything. You've got to be kidding me. No. Because they are poor nobodies in the middle of a failed state. The people that might be upset about it don't know anyone willing to stick their neck out to challenge the village strongman/zealot/warlord/coven of evil witches. Even if they do know someone brave enough to say something, that person will have no power to gather similarly minded people. So no one will say anything. The people who are upset suffer in silence or have their cries fall upon deaf ears. So there is no public outcry. There are no vigilantes. There is no mob. There are only the lonely tears of the isolated survivors. And if you think this very scenario doesn't play itself out on a near daily basis in certain places on this very planet, you are hopelessly naive.

Are you seriously trying to claim that the phrase “nobody cares” is not commonly used idiomatically?

It is a mob. I had forgotten about the threats to burn her out. Mea culpa. My remaining points stand.

By taking the phrase “nobody would care” literally as opposed to the common idiomatic use of that phrase which means that something would fail to arouse a public outcry.