On 12/18/2022 at 7:45 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

See it as an adaptation and enjoy both. Don’t understand the Perrin change but that’s the only negative. 

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Right, they can both be enjoyed in their own right but it is hard not to compare them against each other when you know them both. 
 

Perrin is the only negative for you, but we’re all different. 

  On 12/18/2022 at 4:51 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

I had about 15-20 people, neighbors, workmates, friends all talking about it asking me the series, telling me their dragon theories. The general consensus of all of them was they loved it, 4 of them have started reading the books and I think 2 of them will actually finish them. 

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I'd be really interested in their impressions of the show after reading a few books.  Do they like the show better, worse, or the same after reading the source material?

  On 12/18/2022 at 4:58 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

In terms of the story of the final battle, which is the only story that has to be told Thoms killing of the king is irrelevant, a single line can simply say the king was killed. Thom doesn’t really do much of anything in books 2 or 3 at all, if season 2 is covering those 2 books and ending in tear then Thom simply has to reappear in Tear for the start of season 3 to go on what is his main storyline in the early books, travelling with elayne and nyn. I had hoped to see him and Mat escape tar valon but again Thom isn’t absolutely needed for those scenes to work. He was only put in Tar Valon as a way to get him paired up with mat, he is ill and takes no part in the taking of tar Valon. Mat can stumble on the girls multiple ways without Thom helping him. 

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All true.  Thom was always one step above a minor character in the books.  Appears the show will push him back further.  An adaptation call - we'll see how it works out.

  On 12/18/2022 at 4:54 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

I mean he didn’t write any of the tv episodes, he acted as an advisor but has since said the show runners went in directions that where different to where he told them the books where going. 

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Yep, and while he was advising he didn't finish any more books.  So why waste time advising if the show runners were going where they wanted.  He could have spent that time writing more books - instead of blowing by deadline after self-imposed deadline.  The dangers of over-extending...

  On 12/18/2022 at 2:39 PM, Cauthonfan4 said:

really? Never saw any water cooler discussion at my job about it. no one was talking about the show at all.

 

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I didn't see it either.  No one talked about it where I worked.  But there are only 25 people in our building - so a pretty small sample size...

  On 12/18/2022 at 3:41 PM, DaddyFinn said:

He's not the only showrunner of GoW and who knows how large role he has in the production. I really hope he doesn't burn himself out.

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Just look what it did to GRRM - he set the standard for over-commitment, and the last season of GoT was widely panned even by those that liked the series.  He didn't satisfy the book readers nor the show watchers.

  On 12/18/2022 at 2:34 PM, Cauthonfan4 said:

at this point they are just solidifying my distaste for what rafe has done. not having thom in season 2 during cairhein? what about his offing the king? and what leads up to it?

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Egwene or Nynaeve can handle a simple assassination.

  On 12/18/2022 at 2:34 PM, Cauthonfan4 said:

 

yep...we see how that went in season 1.

 

I also am going to call bullcrap on the whole "70% of people who finished the books thought the tv series was better".

but then again they did throw in the whole "taken from non online sources." which to me seems very biased.

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Exactly

  On 12/18/2022 at 1:05 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

A lot to decipher here. 
 

I agree with the thoughts on books 2 and 3, not just over the fights with Ishmael, but also the back and forth to Tar Valon by the girls.
 

I am really concerned that he is working on GOW, yes he has worked multiple shows but as a huge GOW fan I really hope it is given the same scope and size as WOT and ROP, a show that big should have a dedicated Showrunner, not someone splitting between 2 major shows. It really feeds into the idea that WOT is being nudged down the priority list. Amazon focussing on ROP and seeing GOW as their Witcher equivalent. 

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Guess it depends on if you think he was successful with WoT.  I don't, so another major project just means less time to do S2 right.  But if you thought he was successful with WoT you still have to be concerned with a drop off based on GoW commitments.  You can only stretch a person so far - no matter how talented...

  On 12/18/2022 at 1:25 PM, Jacobr said:

This the the thing Amazon will have to struggle with. It’s very hard to get these VFX heavy shows out quick. There’s at least 8-10 months of shooting and  8-10 + months of post. At best your looking at about a year and a half. At worst 2 years. They basically have to relaunch the show every season marketing wise ( think of it as like a sequel movie rather than TV seasons). The only way around this is for Amazon to green light seasons well in advance of the previous season coming out.

 

The actor thing is only tricky because of actors aging out, but you’ll just have to address that within the story ( I personally think it’s fine for the story to be stretched over a few extra years, always seemed to progess a little quick time wise in the books for me, but obviously everyone will feel different). The key actors on the show will be locked into at least 7 seasons contractually (Rosamund may be different) and it would be very difficult for them to just leave. The only benefit of the long time between seasons it it actually does given them time to go to other projects.

 

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Makes sense.  The world, she is a changing...

Right when S2 starts?  😄

  On 4/25/2022 at 4:03 AM, Andra said:

You may have already seen this, but there's an interesting article about the various dice games in WOT posted over at the Thirteenth Depository.

The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Dice Games: It's Time to Roll the Dice! (13depository.blogspot.com)

 

This would make Crown be a cross between two real-world dice games: Crown and Anchor, and Klondike.

In effect, it's poker played with dice.  But with the symbols ranked, rather than simply numbers.  And no suits.

Or perhaps it's with suits, but no values - as the symbols seem to be mostly Tarot suits.

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Either way, but who is going to make it for us?

  On 12/16/2022 at 3:52 AM, CaddySedai said:

I suggest the Green Rider series by Kristin Britain.

 

Nice unique bit of high fantasy. Still being written but there are multiple books in play already.

 

Also the Pern books by Anne McAffrey. There's got to be infinity of those now so that series will take a hot minute.

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Really liked the first Pern book, but never went further for whatever reason. Maybe it is time…

  On 12/16/2022 at 7:46 AM, Sir_Charrid said:

I believe Rafe has already said that books 2 and 3 are in season 2, and they need to be if he has any hope of finishing in 5 seasons. 

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5 seasons?  What happened to 8?  I must be way behind on news. 

Perfectly reasonable expectation. 

I really did not like the Mistborn series as much as others - with the exception of the first book "Final Empire" - that one was excellent.  For me, the rest of the trilogy got too small - too few characters, too much what they are thinking, minutiae of the magic system...

That is just me however - I think everything was excellently balanced in the first book.

Dang. Sorry this is happening to you @CaddySedai  And thanks for the heads up. 

  On 12/13/2022 at 5:24 AM, Pandemonium said:

That's a great analysis.  This makes me realize the greatest accomplishment of Game of Thrones was that it released a new season every year on time for the first 7 seasons.  

 

If they take almost 2 years to release every season of WOT they will likely never finish the show, but I guess that is the pace that Amazon seems to work on.  

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Plus it is hard to build any momentum with the show with the viewers.  Plus actors want to move on to other projects - how do you keep them together?

  On 12/13/2022 at 11:39 AM, Sir_Charrid said:

Reading an interview he talked about being rushed and not looking at all the notes. He also apparently wrote the book because his agent said he should? I may buy it nice the price drops. 

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Nice to have for completion's sake, but can't say I'd recommend it.

  On 12/13/2022 at 7:33 AM, Sir_Charrid said:

I haven’t read origins, what exactly are his sources for it, how much access was he given to original notes for instance? 
 

My concern for works like this is how removed it is from the original source. Both in terms of the subject no longer being with us, and the time that has passed since those involved were in the material, and how much they become an opinion piece where the question “why is the cup blue” is already answered in the head of the writer of Origins. 

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There was definitely some interesting material in the book - though there did seem to be a lot of guessing.

ML had access to Harriet, Team Jordan, and RJ's notes.  But there still seemed to be plenty of rooms for assumptions.

In the end, I don't know how much of the book RJ would say was accurate.  But it is all we have and are likely to get.

  On 12/12/2022 at 10:28 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

I will still say that for me it would have been far far better if ultimately we had discovered that there was no Creator, or the creator was entirely absent having moved on, I think it is one of the weakest aspects of the book and the fact the character only appears twice makes me feel that RJ after eye of the world moved away from the idea and possibly BS adding it in is not something RJ would have done in the end. It adds nothing to the story. 

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If the Creator moved on, then a mere fallen Angel would have extreme influence over the abandoned creation - only having to overcome inertia of the original design. A formidable task but not insurmountable. 

  On 12/12/2022 at 11:07 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

I know RJ was a lover of eastern philophosies and much of the Darkone idea actually reminds me more of stories from Asia then it does the western religions. 

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After reading 'Origins' there is a lot less eastern philosophy than I originally believed.  At least volume-wise.  The books themselves seemed to be more eastern.

You all put some thought into this.  Be interested to see how close you are on time frames and order of release.  May the odds be always in your favor...

  On 12/12/2022 at 11:56 AM, DigificWriter said:

Carnival Row's second season consists of 10 episodes, which will take it into the middle of April.

 

Also, I can't seem to find the actual source of where I'd seen Rafe say "first quarter 2023", and so now I'm questioning whether or not my brain somehow made it up.

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Maybe WoT S2 will be cancelled like the Batgirl movie...  😲

Really doubtful, but it is a possibility (however remote).

  On 12/9/2022 at 6:59 PM, WhiteVeils said:

IF they end in Tear, they can have Ishamal gateway directly to Tear from Falme and have Rand follow. It's pretty straightforward.

The Portal stones can be easily changed...and I think they will. There's a couple of ways.... Lanfear can meet Rand in the mountains, rather than in another world, and have him channel for some other reason, and you can even have 'flicker flicker'...if Rand 'opens' a Waygate incorrectly and uses it in a different fashion.

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Anything to get rid of portal stones!

  On 12/9/2022 at 5:08 PM, king of nowhere said:

i understood that they merged the falme and tear plotlines into a single one, so that the end of s2 merges the end of boook 2 and 3 with rand and the aiel fighting the seanchan.

but, given that i already misunderstood the lack of cahirien, i may be totally wrong here. though if they do merge book 2 and 3 together, they certainly have a lot of storylines to cut. unless i'm wrong on that count too.

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There will be cutting... and adding.