I believe this is where the vote counts are at right now. (just updated now as new posts were made as I was writing this) I've caught up, and ya'll weren't making it easy while I'm trying to work here. Going and adding 4+ new pages of content since I woke up this morning until now, leaving me little time to actually respond to anything. So... Last night Ed claimed VIG. There's a strong irony here, that he role claimed after I called him a fat dragon. Almost like being called one of those most powerful creatures in mythology, that can just kill anyone just gave him that little push or something. I dunno. Now DPR has gone and claimed some kind of Super JOAT one punch man role with 4 powers or something, like he's just chesting up at both town and mafia to "try him". lol Turin still being Turin, eluding to having a power role but not committing, but trying just hard enough to convince everyone he's really a townie. Most of Dice's content Sunday didn't seem relevant to anything Mafia related. Saturday it was far more game related, Time zone is seriously screwing with my reads on Dice, and it doesn't help that if we do see him back today, he'll have barely an hour to catch up on all these pages, and react before EOD... just like last time. Tigraine, I'll be looking forward to your posts today. I was crazy busy this weekend, and it sounds like you were to. I'll be keeping an eye on your interactions with Heavy and others. You can only slank so much. 😉 Heavy I just don't know man. My gut says your town, but my gut also said GK was scum. My gut also said that the movie "Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets" was going to be an awesome movie, and look how that turned out. Life is full of contradictions, and there's a method to my madness. That's why I have you're looking less townie and more scummy to me. Darthe - You ever read posts from someone who thinks they've written a well researched and smart, logical conclusion because they believe they've used big important sounding words in the right context to sound smart as an authority figure on the subject? And you're just left asking yourself... Is this person from Wisconsin? What I'm getting at here, aside from Darthe's apparent love of Pappa Roach and Cheese, is that aside from the WIFAM crap going on, and the game mechanics at play here, is that I don't know that anything Darthe's actually said makes any sort of sense as far as his reads go. If I were to make a list, I think I'll put him somewhere in the middle for now. (as I was writing this, darthe voted me... may your socks be forever moist! lol)

Sorry I've been absent all day. I've been crazy busy, herding cats trying to get a 5 & 7 year old to help clean up their toys most of the morning. Ran an errand. Bought some new plants. Watched Krull with the kids, ate supper, and then had to do the whole "2 hour bed time routine" so the kids are half way presentable for school tomorrow. Anyways, caught up on the thread and man, y'all are obsessed with me.. SD this, SD that. Everyone is talking about SD, in their comments at some point, and that just brings me full circle to what I said about... Suss those that suss me. It really can't be great to have me in your thoughts this much. Light knows I hate being in my own thoughts as long as I am! For whatever reason, I'm a fekking lighting rod in Mafia. Always have been. (Btw DPR and co, check the COC sometime, PG-13 language is a rule here. I've let it slide. Putting F*ck is still typing it. But because Feck was used in the show, we've allowed that as an exception. So just type that for feck sake. Lol) Anyways, as I was finishing my catch up, this post caught my eye. Didn't I explain it to GK here? Is this a misrep, cause this smells like a misrep? what do those asterix mean? Expand Their positions could radically change depending on their actions. I have Heavy are Core Town, but one bad interaction with DPR could have them switch places I'll explain it again. The long short of it is this; I had those 3 players as my focus of attention, and I felt that their actions, could rapidly shift where I place them in the ranking that I had them. I was stating that My town read on heavy was based solely on his posting style, which at the time was what the others would call "emo", and of little substance to the actual game. My "town read" on heavy could (and has) rapidly change based on his interactions with others, his word choices, and how he's approached the actual game, rather than the non-game elements that were getting in the way of others wanting to lynch him for the same reason they wanted to lynch GK. DPR was on that asterisk list because, I believe at the time I posted that list, he kept prying everyone for their "lists" and "reads", but hadn't actually bothered to give anyone his. So IMO, depending on when he got around to posting his "shit take", that could easily push him further away from town or closer to town. Peace was my "Neutral" because there were things they said that didn't make sense, but I also don't feel sussing me automatically makes you "scum". I felt that those 3 players town/scum positions could rapidly change based on their actions, so not only could those positions rapidly move in my mind, those were players I was keeping an eye on. Note: Later that day I didn't really move DPR anywhere, but I pushed Ed, Teph, and Turin further down my list. Black bold = moved down Green bold = moved up Blue = neutral - counter train. Anyways, I was clearly wrong about GK being at the bottom of my first two lists. Half of that is literally based on his hounding me over what I felt was non-sense. At least DPRs, Dice, and Darthe's hounding questions make sense to me. Turin's hounding just comes off as Charlie from It's Always Sunny, and at this point I still don't know if that's scum Turin or Town Turin. I'm also at a complete loss over Eds slanky slankiness. *Pulls a card* Damn it to hell. I pulled the Dragon Card. It makes sense, Ed2Funny is actually Themberchaud, the Slankiest Dragon ever. Anyways, I'm gonn go back through Night phase, and D2, and see if I can pick up on anything interesting.

I told you these dice results can be spooky as all hell! lol Do I even need to interpret that with a Cop role claim? And Teph's original card pull, ironically hit with the night kill. Remember how I've repeatedly said I believe Tarot is 10,000% bullshit? But the the dice (Actual dice, not dice the user, don't go running off and making a bloody connection where there isn't one Turin, I know you like to do that. lol) So what truth's might we gleam from Tephs death? While I appreciate Turin' arguing back and forth with GK over my vote for Peace and how that may or may not have been something a town or scum would do in that situation. I'll just say every Player has 2 goals. Stay in the game as long as possible. Find the Scum (Or if your mafia, try to make it look like your looking for scum) I find it funny that I was getting so much scrutiny for voting peace "last minute", after being goaded for how many pages to put a vote on anyone by Peace, (I finally did put one on GK when I was just getting annoyed with him. And he'd been pretty high on my scum list for awhile.) Yet, it seemed only a few of us gave any scrutiny to Peace's placing their weird ass voteo n me in the first place, when Peace was all like "SD and Teph are wolves, but I'm voting SD". So Peace kept their vote on me, even though they felt in their gut that Teph was more of a wolf then I was, trying to play that game of where will the votes go, and unfortunately they lost that game of Russian roulette. I drew this card for Peace. I didn't make roll to see if it was upside right or down. Upside down would probably mean, don't listen to your gut. lol All 4 on his lunch. Only 3 could.be mafia. All the mafia together to save SD?? I doubt it unless SD is their best PR. The exact verbiage used in Turin's post didn't say they were role claiming, just positing the "what should someone with that role" if they were that role. And I'm looking at Turin as shooting Teph cause it just makes sense. (Though I'm surprised he didn't shoot my ass! lmao) Going through the laundry list. Ed - looking mighty stinky after still not really posting anything really serious, and I don't know how much more benefit of the doubt we can give him. I have him as scum lean just below Neutral. Tig - You came in hot against Peace and then you brought my name up a lot. Careful, or you're going to get Turin all up in your grill. I have you as my neutral position right now... Mainly because you've been really busy, and you're homicidal without your meds. DPR - I look at his posts and I'm seeing what appears to be low effort scum hunting that's more aimed at pulling content from others, then Ya'll want me to be more "assertive" in my "language", and the best I got for you here is that DPR is not acting like was last game. I can't know if that's just because he's drowning his liver in Martini's to make the pain of this thread go away, or if he's scumming it up. That's why I've pushed him down the list towards scum lean. Darthe - He attended Zoolanders school for children that no read good, and requests no reads lists. So here you go bud. I answered your questions, but everything I write is to "wishy washy" for ya'll. So how this. I think you're a "town lean", and your "gut" as town really sucks. lolol Let me just let this sit here for a moment, while I move on to Dicetosser. Dicetosser - Dice was like a lot of us getting irritated with GK. Earlier in the day, Dice and Turing interacted. because it was going to be a joke vote on SD cause I’ve never played with him or so I thought nce he started talking about rolling dice and tarot I think I actually have once but I’m not going to place a second vote on someone when it’s just a joke and that’s kinda what I thought you were thinking. I’m not keen on it but it’s not a surprise really Then later in the evening, we get what looks to be distancing from Turin? Other then that, most of what I'm getting on Dice has been arguing with GK on his cop claim, and then after Peace flips town, he starts defending my vote on Peace. He also does the same thing with Heavy. are you actually serious? the town response is to save yourself because you KNOW you’re town and DONT know if the other guy is. and for this last bit I completely disagree with EP. I don’t think heavy gets any credit for not moving, positive or negative, and like I said what do you expect SD to do there? This is why I only have you as a scum lean. You getting into it with GK like this, and then GK getting shot looks scummy, but maybe because someone's trying to set you up. or it's a double fake out. (stupid wifom!) Heavy - I can only keep you up on my town list for so long buddy. I should rightly push you down to neutral, but I'll keep you here for right now just to annoy Turin. Turin - Between you, GK, and Peace, you all have been all up on my ass all game. It's (looks at clock) 6:11pm and I gotta start making dinner, so I won't be able to start looking for some handy quotes for you... on my read for you, but you have a penchant for making all kinds of connections that aren't there. You'll latch onto a few details that seem like they're important, much like Tarot, and then you fill in the blanks with these connections. Speaking of Tarot, remember the ones I pulled on you? "Judgement" and "Cavern". Did they make you sweat a little? lololol

Holy shit I was not expecting that. @Turin Turambar Did you just shoot Teph or GK?

lol Well, I just got back with 6 minutes to spare! (My damn weed whacker ran out of whacker, hence why I'm back right now) Lets see if I live past the night!

Ended up sleeping in till like, ~9am this morning. By the time I got the gremlins fed, had my mug of coffee, and wrangled the kids to clean up enough of their mess so we had a narrow path to get into and out of the house, it was already like, 10:45 and were on the road to go shopping, and all that jazz. Just got back. Caught up on the like... 2 posts since I was gone. After lunch, I'm going to brave the 41 degrees weather outside and work in the garden for a few. It was ~93 degrees on Wednesday, and the low tonight is 35. This folks, is why I don't put in tomatoes I until after memorial weekend. Lol Flowers? Eh, they can tough it out. But tomatoes are emotional/tempormental plants. To cold one day, they stop doing anything for a week. To hot, they stop doing anything. Anyways, I hope to maybe sneak back in here before EON and do some deep dives on who started that train on Peace and why. Start looking into voting patterns, that kind of thing. I think this is the 2nd game I've ever made it passed day 1 as town? Lol

Just got done prepping my D&D session for tomorrow night. I'll see if I can't post something more substantial in the morning. Unless the weather is absolute crap, I'm hoping to get some actual work done in my Garden before I run to town for our weekly grocery run. From there I'll likely be busy all afternoon, and then all evening running D&D. In the meantime, here's that Foxglove. I planted. (Apparently the picture came out like crap. It was raining today!)

Remember how I said I didn't want to do WIFOM cause that would just get Turin all up in another paranoid conspiracy bother against me? I think I'd look scummy to ya'll no matter what I'd do. Keep my vote on Turin looks scummy. Unvote looks scummy. Vote Peace looks Scummy. I breathe, It looks scummy. Lol Like I said I was damned either way.

Yeah, and like I said, I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't. I can't self vote in this game, so it's not like I can help town by doing that, and seeing who would hammer.

Town Lean.

Well, I'm damned if I do damned if I don't. Vote Peace.

Peace was sweating bullets, a minute away from getting lunched by Tigs. Dice seems stoked to shoot the cop, possibly jelly for making his play last game. I'm just sitting here, cool like Pete the cat. Everything I say can and will be used against me in a Mafia Court, and that Mafia court's looking stacked with some pretty vocal people leading trains against me, ya know? 😄 I don't want to get into WIFOM, but damn I could get into WIFOM right now. lol

That's getting angelfishy to me, but that was ~4 years ago, and I haven't seen you since really.

not unless he can fit in my hand (random internet picture)

I've been reading and reacting to comments here and there as I wait for AutoCAD to stop locking up, or other various work shit to stop locking up long enough for me to do... you know, actual work. On the GK claim, I'm inclined to agree with DPR and TIG here. "Gut" wise, I was inclined to back my vote from GK, even though I'm sure Turin's going to make a mountain out of a molehill out of that. (e.g. paranoid planned distancing claims, and all that shit) Also, earlier I posted this Do I even need to interpret that with a Cop role claim? and I legit rolled a 48 on my dice. Tarot cards are bullshit, but those dice gods? You don't mess with those when you're playing D&D man. I know that's not mafia shit, and means nothing to ya'll and just comes off as nonsense, but damn that was a spooky dice god pull after he went and pulled that stunt!

TBF, it's not like I haven't expressed those concerns before.

How about this, because I'm feeling spicy and I gotta get back to work. You vote for me, I vote for you? Vote Turin Why? Because some of your earlier questions seem like you were making connections that weren't there, and it seemed like you were misrepping something I said/back peddled on something I said to make it sound worse then it was, to further create this conspiracy angle you're going for. Plus, I did have you go slightly under GK at one point in my list... Then he dipped below you after I was getting fed up with him and placed my vote... Then he had to go and role claim...

Taking a step back here, what are your reasons for Voting for Heavy over Peace or I?

By my estimation, there's enough active people here to finish a lynch on either of the two active Trains. There maybe enough of us to finish a different train entirely. Or we may not reach a consensus at all by EOD. I guess the question is, who here is looking more antsy in there pantsy to finish a train?

Damn role claimers. Unvote. Also, remember how I said these damn dice are spooky as all hell? I just pulled a Tarot on GK. Get this. I rolled a 48. Do I even need to interpret that with a Cop role claim? Also, I can't wait to see how Turin's gears turning now. lmao

I just assumed the no read lists were because @Darthe attended

*sigh* Maybe Dice was wrong about D2? Well, @peacesells, I I'll grant you your wish, I'll cast my first vote. I'm sure Turin's going to have a field day with this, calling it a lazy scum vote on a train. Vote: GK.

For one thing, It's D1 so there really wasn't a lot to go on. A lot of people were in that "neutral" zone. As the day progressed, he really did just keep digging his own hole, specially when he kept hounding me all day over what felt like nonsense. So that town lean is basically a mafia lean. Later; when I evaluated Dice's posts, and I re-read his earlier assessment about GK, it's giving me similar vibes as I get from Heavy. (Heavy just being Heavy) However, I don't know GK as well as I know Heavy, so I don't know if this some kind of tactic on his part, or just a personality quark. So I moved him slightly up the list.

Yeah, but if you click that little upward arrow in the corner there? It'll bring you right to the post. That's the point.