[Basic]What's the theme? - ad lib mafia

[Eldrick4221]

Wow you butchered my reason for dice.

 

Before he switched, dice had me as scum and lenlo as null.

 

Marsh talked about my actions eod, and how they didn't make sense from a scum pov. It apparently convinced dice to move to lenlo, bevause he thought the trains were tied, and now preferred lenlo lynch.

 

My issue is that Lenlo flipping town made this somehow vanish. That he just dropped right back into sussing me. If what marsh said was enough for him to read me better than his null, why am I suddenly his low read again?

[Niniel]

Notable on my list above is that Marsh haven´t been here. Did he say that he would be away?

 

I want to pick one thing that I truly believe in so that I can go from there. Right now I´m thinking that is Dice vote on Hallia. I don´t get that vote if they are mafia together. 

 

I can´t say that I have a town read on Verb but I will have to look elsewhere today. It doesn´t seems like he will be lynched and even if he is mafia, there is another one as well. 

 

Looking at the notes above, I want to vote Eld. His back and forth doesn´t give me a good feeling. He has been throwing out reads (and votes) all game and then he changes his mind after others have posted (=following others). 

 

During the night he wanted to lynch Verb to clear things but when day started he never voted Verb. He said that Dice couldn´t be mafia but then he started to thinfoil on him, He thinks Bop died because of his mafia reads, which were Verb, Lenlo and Marsh. He liked Darthe´s post but then he says Darthe and Marsh are his wtl. He votes Darthe, then unvotes. Thinfoils on AJ and Verb. He votes Darthe again. Then votes Dice.

 

In short: it seems like he is trying to see what sticks. 

 

Unlike AJ, I don´t care about his emo selfvote.

 

 

[v] Eld [/v]

[Niniel]

Notable on my list above is that Marsh haven´t been here. Did he say that he would be away?

 

I want to pick one thing that I truly believe in so that I can go from there. Right now I´m thinking that is Dice vote on Hallia. I don´t get that vote if they are mafia together. 

 

I can´t say that I have a town read on Verb but I will have to look elsewhere today. It doesn´t seems like he will be lynched and even if he is mafia, there is another one as well. 

 

Looking at the notes above, I want to vote Eld. His back and forth doesn´t give me a good feeling. He has been throwing out reads (and votes) all game and then he changes his mind after others have posted (=following others). 

 

During the night he wanted to lynch Verb to clear things but when day started he never voted Verb. He said that Dice couldn´t be mafia but then he started to thinfoil on him, He thinks Bop died because of his mafia reads, which were Verb, Lenlo and Marsh. He liked Darthe´s post but then he says Darthe and Marsh are his wtl. He votes Darthe, then unvotes. Thinfoils on AJ and Verb. He votes Darthe again. Then votes Dice.

 

In short: it seems like he is trying to see what sticks. 

 

Unlike AJ, I don´t care about his emo selfvote.

 

 

[v] Eld [/v]

[Niniel]

Oh, sorry. Stupid Cloudflare. 

[Niniel]

  On 1/28/2017 at 10:06 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Wow you butchered my reason for dice.

 

Before he switched, dice had me as scum and lenlo as null.

 

Marsh talked about my actions eod, and how they didn't make sense from a scum pov. It apparently convinced dice to move to lenlo, bevause he thought the trains were tied, and now preferred lenlo lynch.

 

My issue is that Lenlo flipping town made this somehow vanish. That he just dropped right back into sussing me. If what marsh said was enough for him to read me better than his null, why am I suddenly his low read again?

 

Yeh, I got it. I saw that you made an explanation later. Still, you are going back and forth all the time. 

[Eldrick4221]

And that isn't scummy. I change my mind. A lot. I explain myself every time.

 

I look at several aspects of the game, but only work with whatever is most recent in my mind.

 

Don't care about your vote on me. I get that my pkaystyle comes off as scummy.

 

What do you think about what I said about dice? Does his reversion back to a scum read on me make sense to you?

[Niniel]

I don't it particularly scummy. Did he explain it?

[Eldrick4221]

No.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

AJ (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Dice (1): Eldrick

 

Darthe (1): AJ

 

Eldrick (1): Niniel

 

Not voting (2): Ironeyes, Verbal

 

EOD4 in: 

[Darthe]

I'm gonna respond to all of these, but it's damn worth noting here that AJ has very specific goals that he wants to accomplish, and you can see that skew in his posts.  I'll show, after.  

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 3:20 AM, Andrej said:

You went a little overboard there Darthe.

Have I not been getting critiqued all game for being "on the sidelines" and for not showing my work by this guy and Eldrick, the two people pushing me the most?

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 3:27 AM, Andrej said:

[v]Darthe[/v]

Goes back to the patient/psychologist argument irt Darthe's play. He sold out too hard on that read and his lecturing tone is over the top. From where I stand tone and gut are no longer valid reasons to be Town reading someone as confidently as he is and Marsh himself hasn't done anything notable in this game to have such a high read. This guy is scum.

The lecturing tone is intentionally over the top.  It's called condescention, and it's because you're a group of monkeys sometimes.  I get frustrated too.  Also, the bold directly says "thats not my read, ergo you're scum for seeing something different".

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 3:37 AM, Andrej said:

On that note though let's discuss that read. You say you've known Marsh the longest. That's cool. When was the last time you've seen him as scum? Can you even describe what his scum game is/would look like?

To me it looks like you're really hoping to pocket him to vote with you this phase and you over sold that one a bit too hard.

Technically I've known Len longer, but Len is way more developed.  I've also known Dice for exactly as long, and I have the same read process on him.  You can see it in every game where I point out his activity as a wolf tell or say something like "dice is being aggressive in x way so he is town".  Those are my best reads, and I suspect that several players here can remember me doing this.

 

It's actually funny that you ask what mafia marsh looks like here, because we have this handy dandy database now that lets those of us who actually don't remember crap, and you wanna know when the last time Marsh was a wolf was?  

 

My third game ever on site, and my first ever loss.  I remember the hell out of this game because Dice (with Ishy) was the wolf that beat me and because I hated losing.   As Ironeyes himself said, I've not been wrong about him in a game since that I can recall.  Maybe that is flawed reasoning since he has only been town (once 3p but I apparently died early) since, but I haven't had reason to question my methodology on him.

 

For the outsiders, AJ keeps saying I'm overselling, which is a great way to reinforce that "hey you should think this dudes a liar".

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 4:11 AM, Andrej said:

Maybe Bop was right with the Level 1 read for Darthe to be scum. Hallia went out of her way to point out why Darthe looked good compared to others when it wasn't really necessary.

 

Maybe.  I'm the heaviest busser on site, but maybe.  I don't get why Hally buddied me so hard, I can't read her anyhow.  What I get is that you'd like to find any reason to quickly dismiss me actually bringing to the table what you've challenged me to.  

 

Doesn't seem like you're truly weighing out my slot AJ.  Seems like you know my slot and are looking for ways to make your narrative fit it.

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 4:16 AM, Andrej said:

Darthe scum flip here probably makes it more likely Marsh is Town imo. I cant see Darthe going so far to prop up a teammate who isn't really in trouble with such weak reasons just because. He wants Marsh's vote in his corner for this phase and next.

After Darthe it comes down to Dice/Nini. I'd go Nini first just for the fact Dice voted Hallia and Nini had the opportunity but never did. Nini's content as a whole looks better than Dice's though so still sort of a toss up.

 

This is the kicker.  You're talking past my lynch like it's foregone and you're gonna peg some second wolf off of it, when you don't even have the first one.  Moreover, you're coming to the conclusion that Marsh is town on that associative read which is lol given that you've spent so much time dismissing the guy and griping about MY reasoning.  

 

So, for anyone outside of this whole bit here, what did you see?  Am I being paranoid?  I don't think I am.  Don't think so at all.

[Darthe]

  On 1/28/2017 at 8:45 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

I have quoted everything you said between that post and your response to my pointing out that you havent answered (in spoiler). You have yet to explain why you think verb would be scum if I'm town. If you are town, you should want to explain your thought process there.

 

So what you're really looking for are examples of what interactions I see that make your relationship connected in my eyes.  I was not getting what you were missing.

[Darthe]

  On 1/28/2017 at 9:26 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 9:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 9:10 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/28/2017 at 8:58 AM, Andrej said:

The main wickets: Townies are open. Townies are relaxed. Marsh displays these qualities.

Congrats.

To further these extremely generic reasons - what is the comparison to Marsh as scum?

What is the baseline?

Generic reasons aren't bad ones if they work, but you're right about needing the baseline too.

They're fine for D1 reads.

 

Darthe claims to not remember games from months ago. If Marsh hasn't been scum since his return Darthe remembers his playstyle specifically from years ago? I call bull.

 

I wouldn't really give a crap about my hundredth game with the five hundredth person I played with, but my first loss comes to a team that guy was on and I assure you, I didn't get lauded in this community enough to be nominated for player of the year multiple times, and sent to champs to represent DM, on the casual play I display now.  I cared a lot back then.  

 

AJ knows all of this btw.  He was around for a fair bit before I took a break.  

[Darthe]

  On 1/28/2017 at 9:53 AM, Niniel said:

Okay, I don´t have my old notes here but here are the notes I have from when I posted during the night. Copied from Word doc. 

 

 

 

#1587 Eld want to lynch Verb since he has been almost lynched, even if he is town, mafia could try to set up a lynch on him = clearing up the situation 

#1588 AJ agrees with Verb about Dice – haven´t done anything, hides as mafia

#1593 AJ agrees with Verb – hard to read Nini + don´t like Darthe´s overall play, after lynch reaction, associated reads

#1596 Eld – Nini is null/town

#1598 AJ – won´t vote MrsClove, Verb (changed D3), Eld (emo), rest = poe

#1601 Eld – Dice can´t be mafia because of changing votes??? (Explains in #1615)

#1604 Verb asks me a question!!!!

#1611 Eld starting to thinfoil on Dice. Possible Dice/Marsh.

#1621 Darthe – one mafia on the lynch/one off, Verb/Eld not on a team, MrsClov is town,

#1625 MrsClov – possible couples

#1640 Dice – Eld is wolf, AJ bugging him,

#1647 Eld – Darthe´s post is good

#1648 Eld about Darthe´s activity – both AJ and Darthe are right

#1649 Sooh – MrsClov is dead

#1653 Eld – thinks Bop died because of mafia reads on Verb, Marsh and Lenlo

#1656 Eld – going for Darthe or Marsh today

#1658  AJ – Verb is town, Marsh/Nini wasn´t on Hallia, don´t like Dice sussing AJ, Darthe scummy

#1662 Eld – vote Darthe

#1665 Eld – unvote (AJ said he wanted to hear from everyone first)

#1666 Eld – paranoid thinfoil – AJ and Verb, AJ been involved in both mislynches and both are good scum, both townreading each other

#1667 AJ to Eld – Verb has not townread him

#1670 Eld to AJ – looked it up, was wrong about Verb

#1672 Dice vote AJ

#1676 Verb – want to vote Marsh, don´t want to lynch Eld or AJ (but has started to feel worse about AJ)

#1682 Darthe suspects Eld because Eld wants to vote him

#1684 Darthe – Eld + AJ – both have changed their minds about him recently

#1685 Darthe vote AJ

#1690 Darthe list: Town is Marsh, Verb, Nin, Possible town: Dice, mafia = AJ and Eld

#1703 Eld vote Darthe

#1708 Eld: Dice moved from Eld to Len but now changes back

#1710 Eld vote Dice

#1722 Darthe explains why Marsh is town

#1726 AJ vote Darthe – went overboard with Marsh explanation

#1739 Eld – Likely town = AJ and Nini, rest potential mafia

 

I don´t know if you get them but here is what I have found, searching for people´s reads.

 

I will answer Verbal´s question and then I will get back to these notes. 

This is I not A.  Do better.

[Darthe]

Digging into that nin stuff at some point, but first let me go get quotes and put a nail in this other shit.

[Darthe]

So I got my verbal quotes, and decided to reddit for a few minutes, and an hour later I found myself reading about the australian citizenship test which is hillarious.

 

No way in hell am I Isoing Eldrick to make my point more convincing than this btw, you can lynch me first.

[Darthe]

  On 1/18/2017 at 3:58 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 7:28 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 7:25 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 7:18 AM, Nolder said:

I believe I have a very good reason to do so in this game.

No one except Dice has even attempted to challenge that and I am waiting on him to explain his position.

I disagree with your assertion because Mafia is not black and white or played in a vacuum.

The play is unconventional and potentially stupid but it's hard to find scummy motive to it unless you believe it would have caused an immediate counter claim and that was his ultimate goal.

You mean besides "scum wouldn't do that so he had to be town"?

 

Or my already established reason of getting us to talk about who is and isn't the watcher.

 

 

Is that the crux of why you find Darthe scummy?

 

Btw, Isoing verb in general was good.  I came out feeling a lot stronger about him, but that does still have some associative context because Verb, unlike marsh or dice or zander or some others, fools me a lot.  Most of my quotes will be in separate posts because I am lazy, and most will be conversation with eldrick.  Verb is someone I've been meaning to reread anyhow so this just pans out well.

 

All that said, this first quote.  It's not important at all, but it is good interaction.  There was a time where I thought verb/eldrick could be w/w before realizing that they had too much going on for that to make sense.  

[Darthe]

  On 1/17/2017 at 7:38 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/17/2017 at 3:26 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/17/2017 at 2:53 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/17/2017 at 9:04 AM, Nolder said:

[v]Darthe[/v]

See you guys tomorrow.

[v]Darthe[/v]

It's time you find a new trick, Pony boy.

  

  On 1/17/2017 at 2:54 PM, Andrej said:

Bah I'm stupid.

[unvote]

[v]Nolder[/v]

[unvote]

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

"accidently" voting Darthe instead irt Nolder voting him really bugs me. Can't put a finger on why, but it feels out of place.

 

 

........

 

Also, Verb defended me a fair bit early on, and it hasn't been talked about.  If W/w I could have seen the argument for two people playing both sides of a thing, but this really wasn't a thing.  It was just going "wow thats dumb" and moving on.

[Darthe]

  On 1/17/2017 at 6:57 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/16/2017 at 11:37 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/16/2017 at 11:35 PM, Darthe said:

Claim: watcher.

Discuss.

Obbiously lying. Claiming the only town PR is downright stupid and you aren't.

 

Possibly scum for pushing the concept.

 

 

Stopped reading here.  Will continue on, but this pinged.

 

[v]Eldrick[/v]

 

Still on page 2

 

^ 

[Darthe]

  On 1/19/2017 at 3:52 PM, Verbal32 said:

[unvote]

 

Not sure I'm prepared to push anything at Eldrick today.  Still suss, but moved below others for now.

^

 

See, I thought my claim would draw a few things.  I figured thered be a noob wolf who would bite on it (edrick), a strong wolf who would defend it (turned out to be hally, was thinking verb at the time but never reread to reassess this), and I figured we would get a bit of activity.  What I didn't expect was a noob watcher to get up in arms about it, cause I thought (and think) it was obvious to not do that as the only PR.  This right here, at the time, was odd to me because of this. I would have a hard time arguing now that verb was a wolf with eldrick just based on this post, but it wasn't part of my initial reasoning.

 

 

 

 

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if the above needs explained more, the reason I would have a hard time is because Eldrick drew more heat for my claim than I did on his own reaction, and is mostly saved this game by his emotional streak where he quit.  Verb didn't have a reason to draw attention to himself by backing off in this particular way, and I know verb is a talented wolf.  It's tough to justify the quoted above post if he is a wolf with Eldrick.

 

 

[Darthe]

  On 1/23/2017 at 8:18 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

 

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:40 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:10 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 4:48 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 4:22 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 4:21 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I have a gut worry that I'm wrong about MrsClov. I really need to go over her game and see how much she has actually been solving, and how much is agreeing with people and posturing.

I get the feeling that I slotted her as town early and ignored her because there wasn't anything big to change my mind. But I think her effort has dropped, and need to look into that.

 

How does that work with wanting to lynch me, as I'm possibly the only player in the game throwing any shade her way?

I don't see how those two are related. My read on her is intependant of your actions.

And even if it was considered, how does you throwing shade her way = you are town?

 

Good answer  ;-)

Thanks?

 

Care to answer the question?

 

 

There is no answer - my post was BS.  I've used that line before a bunch of times.  I was curious to see how you responded, that's all.

 

This post pinged me initially, because the "i was curious" line seems really fake.  

[Darthe]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:21 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

 

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:27 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:12 PM, Verbal32 said:

Why don't people read?

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, Ironeyes said:

Scum would have a more desperate will to live I think

Explain why I was so apathetic to my fate yesterday, then? Why didn't I move my vote to Lenlo? Oh, I know! Because I said he was town.

 

Your own logic completely fails you here. You can't say the above without it also meaning I'm probably not scum.

 

 

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 11:36 PM, MrsClov said:

So, is it worth noting that we could have lynched verbal twice now and we moved to Town? Blaming myself in this as well, just something to point out.

I don't like this post at all - you're lining me up for the lynch tomorrow, and we're running out of mislynches.

 

 

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:38 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

No. Verb is tomorrow. The wave of vote changes that followed my moving to Lenlo could not have been all town.

 

When I did so, I did not expect the huge shift. All I wanted to do was give both of my scum reads a fair chance. I still expected a verb lynch (or myself), as it was 3/3/2

Verb is town. I'm getting scared that I still have to explain this. I can accept that I was too scummy before, but holy hell how is my past day not clear to see? The case on me is awful - it is just that I was wrong on D1. That's it. I made no excuses, I just accepted it and continued to hunt for scum.

 

But I have half the damn game tunneling on me, so I'm dragging everybody along while trying to avoid getting lynched. If it isn't clear that scum are setting me up to be the final mislynch, then I'm not sure what else I can tell ya.

You have been almost lynched, but the focus has swayed away from you twice now. I believe you are scum, but even if you are somehow town I think you need to be next.

 

For exactly the reason you described. That if you are town scum would be trying to set you up for the final mislynch. That most of the game is tunneling on you and I don't forsee that changing.

 

So we need to lynch you to clear everything up revolving around you. If you are scum we can use that to find your teammate. If you are town we can stop having so much focus on you.

 

 

This is not good - we are running out of mislynches, and you're still saying "even if you are town you need to die next"?

 

wtf?

 

I wish ISO was in chronological order. This was a really late post from Verb that helped me affirm that they were not teammates, because it's too late to be throwing this sort of shade when those two can win without it.  If it were a single isolated post it would be keeping appearances, but verb has a habit of calling eldrick out every time eldrick says anything, and take it from me thats not an easy thing to keep up if you really DONT want to bus.  

[Darthe]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:21 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:00 PM, Niniel said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:18 PM, Verbal32 said:

Darthe looking better on his re-entry into the thread.  AJ not revisiting his reads yet is concerning.  MrsClov at least mentioning it is nice, though.

 

 

 

I would really like to see where Tina is on this.

 

I don´t know. Maybe I need to re-think everything. Lenlo turned up town and I had him at the bottom of my list with you. You have been almost lynched twice now but gotten away. And it´s hard to understand what that means. If you are mafia then there is only one more and all of the rest that avoids your train is town. 

 

 

Just fyi, I will be gone all day tomorrow (listening to upcoming authors, yay!) so I will probably not be here at all. 

 

 

What are you trying to say here?

 

 

 

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:27 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:12 PM, Verbal32 said:

Why don't people read?

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, Ironeyes said:

Scum would have a more desperate will to live I think

Explain why I was so apathetic to my fate yesterday, then? Why didn't I move my vote to Lenlo? Oh, I know! Because I said he was town.

 

Your own logic completely fails you here. You can't say the above without it also meaning I'm probably not scum.

 

 

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 11:36 PM, MrsClov said:

So, is it worth noting that we could have lynched verbal twice now and we moved to Town? Blaming myself in this as well, just something to point out.

I don't like this post at all - you're lining me up for the lynch tomorrow, and we're running out of mislynches.

 

 

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:38 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

No. Verb is tomorrow. The wave of vote changes that followed my moving to Lenlo could not have been all town.

 

When I did so, I did not expect the huge shift. All I wanted to do was give both of my scum reads a fair chance. I still expected a verb lynch (or myself), as it was 3/3/2

Verb is town. I'm getting scared that I still have to explain this. I can accept that I was too scummy before, but holy hell how is my past day not clear to see? The case on me is awful - it is just that I was wrong on D1. That's it. I made no excuses, I just accepted it and continued to hunt for scum.

 

But I have half the damn game tunneling on me, so I'm dragging everybody along while trying to avoid getting lynched. If it isn't clear that scum are setting me up to be the final mislynch, then I'm not sure what else I can tell ya.

You have been almost lynched, but the focus has swayed away from you twice now. I believe you are scum, but even if you are somehow town I think you need to be next.

 

For exactly the reason you described. That if you are town scum would be trying to set you up for the final mislynch. That most of the game is tunneling on you and I don't forsee that changing.

 

So we need to lynch you to clear everything up revolving around you. If you are scum we can use that to find your teammate. If you are town we can stop having so much focus on you.

 

 

This is not good - we are running out of mislynches, and you're still saying "even if you are town you need to die next"?

 

wtf?

 

Case and point

[Andrej]

Darthe/Dice/Nini

 

Gg

[Darthe]

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:56 PM, Verbal32 said:

I think Eldrick is town.  My reason is a personal read of Eldrick the man, not Eldrick the player.  His sequence of going emo and self-voting before finally coming around to vote elsewhere is a really cheesy play to make as scum.

 

The Ape burned me on this a few years ago and I learned to read the person behind the keyboard in these situations.  I don't think Eldrick would resort to a cheesy play to gain town cred, so I'm going to accept it as legit.  I don't want to lynch him.

I really recommend clicking the link to the above post and reading through it.  I was talking about town verbal before this, but this string from him really sold me on it.  He plays the field and has good insight into a lot of people for reasons like the above.  If verb can make that above eldrick read on a teammate, then I'd be beyond impressed.  It's mostly the bold line that hits me right.  

[Darthe]

  On 1/25/2017 at 5:04 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 12:47 PM, Niniel said:

Marsh - It´s the same reasons I had before, because of his D1 read on Hallia and voting Eldrick. I have no notes from him N1 and D2. I don´t really get the back and forth between him and Verb. He seems to think that Verb ignored him but I don´t think I get it. Darthe seems sure about him being town though. Meh. 

 

Thank god I'm not the only one here, lol.

 

 

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 1:08 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

[unvote]

[v]Eldrick[/v]

 

Don't care anymore. Have fun figuring out the rest of the game.

 

Still probably one in Verb/Marsh

Probably one in Darthe/AJ/Nini. Maybe Lenlo

 

Still confident MrsClov and Dice are town.

 

I know you unvoted from this, but please don't post like this again.  I could have easily given up, but I've fought to be off the lynch when it is clear there is a movement to lynch me.

 

Actually, that certain people haven't noticed this is not my scum game makes me pretty sure we are literally going in the opposite direction we should be.

 

 

One of MrsClov/AJ/Darthe is scum.  Very confident.

 

That said, I know I'm not getting any of them lynched today.  If my flip helps pave the way for a town win, I'm down.  But I think Marsh or Tina could be the other one.  I don't think Eldrick is scum based on the above quote.  I really don't.

 

This post has hung with me for a bit now.  I remembered him saying it, and it echoed my own thoughts.  There has to be a deep wolf this game, and I think it's informed my process to carry that thought.  

 

That said, this has all been a framework to see where I got my associative reads from.  I think it's going to clear up my next bit a lot.