[Basic]What's the theme? - ad lib mafia

[MrsClov]

Alright, so now for Ironeyes.  In post #361 he likes Bopolis’ reads list, except he’d take Wifi from villagy and put her in null and move Hallia from null and put her in villagy,

 

Post #372 he responds to AJ and says that Hallia’s a gut read and that he doesn’t have anything concrete for her.  He then however gives a decent stance on why he thinks Eldrick is scum.

 

Post #407 in response to make a lynch list. The people he would lynch as of 1/18 was Niniel, Verbal, Wildfire, Dice, Eldrick, Hallia.

 

#584 says he’s not sure about the Hallia lynch and votes Wifi to even the trains.

#660 he unvotes Wifi after claim and moves to Eldrick

Now if he was willing to lynch Hallia in #407, but then not sure in post #584 and then flat out votes someone who has no chance of getting lynched in #660 shouldn’t there be some kind of progression in between those hundred or so posts?

[Darthe]

  On 1/22/2017 at 2:19 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

I have no idea who I want to vote today.

 

AJ I have as tentative town because of how badly he fooled me last time. The fact that he seems to be consensus town is a really good sign though.

 

I have liked MrsClov's game for the most part. There was some weirdness at the beginning, but her game is good on the whole. I also think Hally town reading her is a good sign.

 

I don't think I need to go into more detail as to why I have Darthe as town. He's been my main topic :P

 

I have Bop as town mainly because of the post where he lists himself as today's lynch. He's lower than others on my town reads because of his read progression on Darthe.

 

I have liked Nini's content, what little there is so far, but it hasn't been enough to really get a good towny vibe from her.

 

I haven't really looked into anyone else yet. Not voting Verb or Marsh today because it would be a blind lynch. Suggest that deadline be extended to Monday.

 

As of right now, I'm leaning not voting at all today.

Also curious to see how no lynching panned out.  This is a risky post, and really someone should have asked about his turnaround on my slot since he seemed to do it in one post.

[Eldrick4221]

Welcome back Darthe :)

[Eldrick4221]

My turnaround on you was that it didn't make sense for Hally to defend you so profusely if you were a teammate. After thinking about it overnight, I realized how little sense it made, so I said as much.

[Darthe]

  On 1/22/2017 at 6:30 AM, dicetosser1 said:

im really starting to town read darthe. and its not based on anything HE said.

Flattering.  Btw, theres a huge post right above this that ya'll should read because it's a very smart read from Dice.  

[MrsClov]

For what it’s worth, Hallia never once mentioned Niniel or responded to any of her posts from what I can tell.

 

NIniel says that the lynch on both Hallia and Wifi looks good in post#585. In Post #591, she posted her reads list her read on Hallia was that she agrees with Aj’s read on Hallia.

I didn’t mention it at the time but post #741 bothered me.  She was on Wifi, and wasn’t around for the final lynch. When she finally did come back on she said “That was a good lynch:)” It bothered me because she was still on Wildfire and now looking back it kind of bothers me more because she wanted look into Marsh for refusing to lynch Hallia. Oh By the way, the final vote count for Wifi after her claim? Lenlo, Niniel, and Hallia.

[Darthe]

  On 1/22/2017 at 5:13 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 9:14 AM, Niniel said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 8:12 AM, Andrej said:

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

I think him, Verb or Marsh are the best options today so I want him on the board with the other wagons.

I think I have missed your reason for voting him.

General absence. No reads beyond Darthe. Perpetual focus on Darthe. Sketchy vote on the scum wagon based on Darthe.

 

Following the trend here?

 

Does this change now that Nol flipped town?  

[MrsClov]

  On 1/24/2017 at 2:33 AM, MrsClov said:

For what it’s worth, Hallia never once mentioned Niniel or responded to any of her posts from what I can tell.

 

NIniel says that the lynch on both Hallia and Wifi looks good in post#585. In Post #591, she posted her reads list her read on Hallia was that she agrees with Aj’s read on Hallia.

I didn’t mention it at the time but post #741 bothered me.  She was on Wifi, and wasn’t around for the final lynch. When she finally did come back on she said “That was a good lynch:)” It bothered me because she was still on Wildfire and now looking back it kind of bothers me more because she wanted look into Marsh for refusing to lynch Hallia. Oh By the way, the final vote count for Wifi after her claim? Lenlo, Niniel, and Hallia.

 

 

[v] Niniel[/v]

[Darthe]

  On 1/22/2017 at 5:44 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 8:30 PM, Nolder said:

I am ok with lynching Hallia based on her defense of Darthe but considering how many people are coming to Darthe's defense it makes far more sense to me to lynch him instead of risking a mislynch. That said,I will switch later if necesary.

 

Here Nolder is still trying to push the lynch on Darthe, while acknowledging the reasons for the train on Hally. Reading back while knowing Hally is scum, it feels like trying to change the topic and save a teammate.

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 10:27 PM, Nolder said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 9:29 PM, MrsClov said:

 

  On 1/18/2017 at 8:30 PM, Nolder said:

I am ok with lynching Hallia based on her defense of Darthe but considering how many people are coming to Darthe's defense it makes far more sense to me to lynch him instead of risking a mislynch. That said,I will switch later if necesary.

 

Are all of your current thoughts revolving around Darthe's claim and the interactions to it? I'd like to see where your thought line is beyond the Darthe drama. While I wouldn't lynch you today, all of my notes on you are connected with your thoughts and reaction to Darthe and I'd like some separation from it.

Well that was kind of forced on all of us by Darthe, I didn't choose it.

 

I have thoughts on others but I prefer waiting for D2 before giving them out.

D1 reads, at least mine, tend to change dramatically from D1 to D2 given the wealth of new information we usually get between a lynch and a nightkill.

I hate saying so and so is town or so and so is mafia and then reacting to new informtion but getting sussed by others for changing my mind.

So these days I just wait until that period is over.

  

 

QFR. Don't remember him giving these thoughts. All I remember about his D2 is his continued push on Darthe.

 

  On 1/19/2017 at 7:56 AM, Nolder said:

I didn't do the math but there is a good chance I wont be around at deadline tomorrow since I have a pretty busy day.

I think what Darthe did was clearly scummy and whether it was for role fishing or some other gambit no good could come of it and it did not come from someone with townie interests in mind.

With that in mind I am switching my vote to Hallia for her defense of Darthe.

To answer the questions that will undoubtedly come my way, yes other people defended Darthe as well but none of them have a train on them.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

 

Nolder's vote on Hally. Still trying to draw attention away from it.

 

 

  On 1/21/2017 at 7:17 AM, Nolder said:

Hello

 

I've had a busy couple days and need to do some catching up but before I do can somebody let me know if D2 started?

Basically I wanna make sure I'm not dead lol.

This post bugs me in its own right. You shouldn't post if you don't know if you're dead or not. And why would he even have expected to be dead to begin with? Wiffy was already outed. This is just all sorts of weird.

 

 

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 5:52 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

So I remembered Nolder's game fairly accurately. It's mostly a push on Darthe. He even tried to get the focus off of Hally.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

Gonna continue looking at others while I have time, but I feel confident in finding scum here.

This vote took Eldrick two posts to get to from having no Nol read that I can recall.

[Darthe]

  On 1/22/2017 at 5:56 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 5:55 PM, MrsClov said:

[unvote]

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

I'll go with Eldrick and AJ on this one. My tunnel vote on Verbal was to try and get a reaction out of him to see if I could get a better read on him, but that's probably not going to happen over the weekend.

How do you feel about what I said about them not being w/w?

 

If Nolder flips scum, how does Verb look to you!

 

verb/eldrick read is a hot read folks, best to buy in early before the value peaks

[Darthe]

  On 1/22/2017 at 6:48 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 6:42 PM, bopolis said:

that combined with the fact he came around with three hours left in the day when the wagons were closer and he stayed on the hallia one when he could have potentially switched to the villa wagon. Which IMO looks good(this was well before the claim).

That's a decent point, but he tried to keep the focus on Darthe in the same post.

 

"I'll move to Hally, but cmon guys. Darthe"

 

That's how I read his vote. The fact that he joined her train pales in comparison to that. Feels like a bus vote for town credit.

 

Also could be why bop died

[Andrej]

  On 1/24/2017 at 2:33 AM, MrsClov said:

Oh By the way, the final vote count for Wifi after her claim? Lenlo, Niniel, and Hallia.

 

lol wouldn't that be something

[Andrej]

  On 1/24/2017 at 2:34 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 5:13 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 9:14 AM, Niniel said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 8:12 AM, Andrej said:

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

I think him, Verb or Marsh are the best options today so I want him on the board with the other wagons.

I think I have missed your reason for voting him.

General absence. No reads beyond Darthe. Perpetual focus on Darthe. Sketchy vote on the scum wagon based on Darthe.

 

Following the trend here?

 

Does this change now that Nol flipped town?  

 

Verb/Marsh/Nolder ?

 

Not really. Verb is still on the chopping block imo but I'm beginning to come around to the idea that Nini could be the scum between the two, like I mentioned a page or two back.

[MrsClov]

Aj list style, here's where I'm at. 

AJ

Darthe

Niniel

Verbal

Dice

Eldrick

Lenlo

Ironeyes
 

[MrsClov]

Niniel and Ironeyes are bottom two for me, at the moment.

[Ironeyes]

Weird that Bop was their choice for a kill. It's ironically convenient for me since I was tinfoiling on him, but whatever.

 

Welcome back Darthe, glad to hear your opinion.

 

Gonna start off with a vote on Verbal, since I've been sussing him for two phases now. [V]Verbal [/V]

[Darthe]

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:41 AM, bopolis said:

i agree with eldrick that the simplest most easy straight forward world is there is two in verbal/marsh/lenlo; if not two then likely one.

 

If it is just one, then the other is likely in eldrick/darthe and if there is a deep busser on hallia RIP. I'm reading nin as a villa(not as confident as i am in AJ/dice/clov but more confident than i am currently in eldrick and certainly more confident than I am in darthe). 

 

If Verbal is a wolf then the deep bus tinfoil becomes stronger and if verbal is a villa then i'm probably not gonna worry about a super deep one.

 

 

Things that I wish:

to hear from ironeyes

to hear from verbal

to hear from lenlo

to hear from darthie-darthie-doo-dee-kins

This is why this thread sounds super empty.  Half the people are missing.

[Ironeyes]

  On 1/24/2017 at 2:12 AM, MrsClov said:

Alright, so now for Ironeyes. In post #361 he likes Bopolis’ reads list, except he’d take Wifi from villagy and put her in null and move Hallia from null and put her in villagy,

 

Post #372 he responds to AJ and says that Hallia’s a gut read and that he doesn’t have anything concrete for her. He then however gives a decent stance on why he thinks Eldrick is scum.

 

Post #407 in response to make a lynch list. The people he would lynch as of 1/18 was Niniel, Verbal, Wildfire, Dice, Eldrick, Hallia.

 

#584 says he’s not sure about the Hallia lynch and votes Wifi to even the trains.

#660 he unvotes Wifi after claim and moves to Eldrick

 

Now if he was willing to lynch Hallia in #407, but then not sure in post #584 and then flat out votes someone who has no chance of getting lynched in #660 shouldn’t there be some kind of progression in between those hundred or so posts?

The difference is that when I made the list it was less of who i was willing to lynch than who I was not willing to lynch at the time. Later in the game as the votes piled off WiFi due to her claim, I felt that the scum were using it to create a CFD type effect and panic the town into voting someone random. I didn't see Hallia as scummy. Clearly I was wrong, but my reason for not voting her had less to do with her than it did with my unease about the circumstances of the lynch itself.

[Ironeyes]

Sorry if that's incomprehensible. I'm on mobile so I can't format nicely like I normally would.

[Darthe]

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:59 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:54 AM, bopolis said:

at this moment i want verb, that's true but that can change since lynch isn't for another three days(1day night, 2 day dayphase)

 

im currently also open to ironeyes and lenlo.

 

I 100% want one of the three lynched barring any threadvelopments today

With that we are in complete agreement.

 

Not lynching AJ, MrsClov, Darthe, Dice, or Nini this game.

 

Lynching those 3 over you.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the game is already basically solved. It's just sorting out the villa from the PoE, and plenty of time left to do so.

 

Should be interesting to see where you're at today, in light of this.

[Eldrick4221]

Well ISO of verb didn't help too much. I'm still unsure about him. I don't like his sussing mrsclov and hally while voting wiffy, but that has already been disvussed in detail.

 

I noticed while reading that he commented on there being 1 scum in wiffy and hally. At the time I thought they both could be. Reading it again, it sounds like possible TMI.

 

His progression on MrsClov is also something to take note of. He comments at the end of D1 about feeling better about her. Then he's back to pushing her later with no change in between.

 

Sorry for the lack of quotes. I'm being lazy.

[Darthe]

  On 1/23/2017 at 3:19 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 8:11 PM, Andrej said:

I'm cool with a Verb lynch too. Both Nolder and Verb had a brief period during D1 where I thought they were townie ish but as a whole I'm not impressed with their games.

 

I thought Verb was actually hinting at being Watcher which is why I crossed him off my list.

 

I was  - I was trying to draw a NK.

 

Seemed effective.  I don't know how anyone could really question that claim from Wifi.  Shes not got skill enough to fake a claim and do it right.

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 3:20 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 8:06 PM, bopolis said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 8:04 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/22/2017 at 7:55 PM, bopolis said:

rereading verbal's ISO

 

I would also be fine lynchign there.

 

There is alot of filler and not much meat. Alot of questions, jokey comments, and comments on other people's reads but not much original things going on.

 

The impression i got from their iso is that they are tryign to stay in the middle not really commiting to any reads. I get this because she says several times about people that they could be wolf or villa and that she has alot of nulls, so many in fact that she can't make a real list.

This post is confusing the hell out of me.

 

You start by taking about verb.

Then you say they and their (who's the other one you're talking about?)

Then you say she (verb is male)

 

 

I thought verb was a girl but wasn't sure so I used they, the second time i didn't catch it.

 

 

Yeah, I can see how the Gender: Male thing might throw you off.

 

;-)

 

VERBALS A GUY??

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 3:26 PM, Verbal32 said:

Let me summarize:  the whole problem with me is that I was showing a little sus of MrsClov with some of her comments she made?  And that I wanted to lynch Wifi over Hallia?

 

Like, ok - I was wrong on Wifi, and if that means I'll need to die, fine.  Just make sure you guys carry this over the finish line, because I have a bad feeling we're completely missing a scum member.

 

I still need to ISO Marsh and MrsClov today.

Where'd you get on MrsClov?  Most've just written her off as town, and for good reason tbf.  Less curious about marsh but still wanna know.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/24/2017 at 3:09 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:59 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:54 AM, bopolis said:

at this moment i want verb, that's true but that can change since lynch isn't for another three days(1day night, 2 day dayphase)

 

im currently also open to ironeyes and lenlo.

 I 100% want one of the three lynched barring any threadvelopments today

 

With that we are in complete agreement.

Not lynching AJ, MrsClov, Darthe, Dice, or Nini this game.

Lynching those 3 over you.

As far as I'm concerned, the game is already basically solved. It's just sorting out the villa from the PoE, and plenty of time left to do so.

Should be interesting to see where you're at today, in light of this.

That's still where I am :P

[Darthe]

Page 59 is a big page.  Nin showed up, and didn't say so much but she actually did something which was cool to see.  

 

Then these three below show up in a big way!  

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 5:20 PM, Lenlo said:

So first off, sorry, intermittent problems connecting to DM on my side recently. Doin this from phone from on-campus wifi. Weeeee

 

I still stand that Clov, Darthe, AJ and Dice are my do not want to lynch pile. Kinda deep wolfing on Bop, but he would be the last person I lynch from my allowed to lynch pile. Rest of the group would be Marsh == Niniel > Verbal >>> Eldrick

 

I dont understand what responsibility you want me to take for the hallia read, commit sepuku? I was wrong, theres nothing about "Taking Responsibility to do there", its not like I got someone pregnant. (That I know of).

 

Still gonna stand by Wifi being wolfy af D1. I dont care if she was the Watcher, it doesnt change that she was wolfy af D1.

 

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:17 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 5:18 PM, Niniel said:

Posted too soon. What do you mean with "not liking my angles"?

 

You're only pushing me after somebody else does it first - there was no progression that I saw for me to follow along with.  It was just "bam".  Like I said, I feel that you push me as scum in a "follow somebody else" fashion.....which is what I'm seeing here (a little).

 

When you analyze me logically, I feel that is something you do as town - I don't see that here at this point.

 

 

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:22 PM, Ironeyes said:

Hello! I still haven't finished reading yesterday, so I don't yet understand how the lynch ended up on Nolder. My thoughts as of now are: 

 

Town

Ironeyes: I read his role PM and it said town...

MrsClov: I think everyone else but Verb agrees that she's super towny and has no appearance of an ulterior motive or agenda. 

Andrej: Pro-town, working to solve, generally lots of WIM. 

Dice: I can't see him bussing like that D1, so he can't be scum 

 

Probably town

Niniel: Working to solve, good commentary. 

Darthe: Despite his being absent a lot, his analysis when here is good. And I think his motivation for fake claiming watcher was towny. 

 

Not sure/tinfoiling

Bop: I thought he was towny at first, but at the game goes on his posts feel more manipulative and agenda-driven. 

Lenlo: Where has this guy gotten to? 

Eldrick: I moved him up from a pure scum read because he stopped tunneling on Darthe and sounds more towny for it. 

 

Scum 

Verbal: Throwing shade, selectively viewing peoples' posts, generally sounds like he has an agenda. Definitely still want to vote here. 

 

And you know what?  I like all of their posts.  

[Darthe]

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:45 PM, Ironeyes said:

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:34 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Your reasons for town reads are interesting.

 

Your read on MrsClov:

I don't like when people use "they are basically consensus town" as part of their read. It's lazy.

 

Also curious how informed that read is. You say you aren't caught up, but also use other people 's reads as reasoning (verb's in particular as the exception to the consensus)

 

Your read on Dice:

Your reason is you can't see him bussing like that, so he can't be scum. Care to expand on that? Is this a meta read? What did he do specifically that you say can't be from scum?

I'm not town reading MrsClov because she's consensus town. I just threw that in there to sort of say, "I shouldn't have to explain this." I've thought she was town since halfway through D1 and she hasn't changed since. 

 

Most of my reads are fairly informed. I'm only seven pages behind, out of sixty. 

 

It's partially meta, partially general knowledge. Hard bussing like that, where you vote a teammate and stay on him or her until the end, is not common, and it usually comes from the more bold players. Dice isn't particularly bold--he prefers to stay quiet until he sees something particularly scummy, then tunnel on that person. He has an established pattern of doing this, so if he were scum, he could easily tunnel on some unfortunate townie and nobody would look sideways at him for not sussing a teammate. 

 

  On 1/23/2017 at 6:36 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I agree on the reads themselves. Your reasons are just weird.

That would be because I'm weird. I play almost entirely by feel, so when it comes time to explain my reads, I struggle to put it into words. 

 

Marsh uses his head a lot this game, and it's purely a judgement thing of me but I'm sticking with my early townread on him.  He hasn't given a reason not to, he just isn't around a lot.