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[Eldrick4221]

@Bop

 

If aj and calder are both nice, is tink nice or naughty iyo and why

[Eldrick4221]

@Calder why were you pushing tink's train to begin with? What is your read on him now?

[Eldrick4221]

I asked all 3 people that were on a train by themselves last night why they were still voting where they were. Have yet to get a response from any of them.

[BFG]

 

 

Catching up and ready to be present. Some thoughts on my reading from page 46-current (in order as I go through pages):

 

The Shad / DPR stuff seems contrived. I get that DPRdoesnt want to be weighed down by meta, and support that, but his belittling of Shad's points seemed to lack much substance beyond "I'm DPR, you're not, suck it." While I appreciate the devil may care approach, whom does it serve? Not a hugely helpful town move.

 

 

 

I could be the Cleveland Browns for all I care. Towns statistically win more when villagers try to identify each other than when everyone refuses to cooperate based on the paranoia that all players have unlimited wolfing capacity.

I think I understand now... when the self-proclaimed Bradys and Mannings of Mafia tell you who the villagers are and how you are supposed to play it, you have to go along with that or they're gonna lynch you.

 

Seems legit.

 

You shitbirds are really something. I can't wait to see what greatness comes next.

Again, I appreciate the sentiment, but it almost seems overly antagonistic, which always makes me suspicious. Shad himself is playing rather similar of his last scum game, but I'm not ready to vote or strongly suss on that alone.

 

Nyn is my favorite person to read in mafia, content wise. I have zero meta on her, but she's ridiculously balanced. Null lean right now though.

 

Third game in a row with Darthe - he's playing his D1 game identically. While this in itself isn't enough to firmly label him either way for me, this type of play cost town the game the first time, and masked his wolf game in Hackers. I know he'll say he's not getting lynched D1, but I'm ready to hear how he intends to contribute to a town victory?

 

Sooh, I feel is getting the benefit of the doubt she screamed for in hackers, and I'm getting a town vibe there.

 

As such, I advocate we lynch Tiink today, Lenlo tomorrow, and me and Darthe will Eiffel tower Random to death to end the game.

I uh.... either I don't understand this, or I do and am both disturbed and somewhat flattered.

 

Calder is on his town game so far IMO.

 

Also, DPR, I understand where you're coming from irt Eldrick, in vacuum. Especially knowing this is your first game with him (and this is precisely why I asked early on). The problem with him though is that you can basically always find these gaping logic holes in his posts, regardless of alignment. He says the most atrocious things. Because that's how he plays, for better or worse. I could easily sit here and critique it every single game with him...and policy lynch him for it.... but at some point I decided it's a waste of time and that I'm more interested in winning instead of telling him off, because I don't think he's going to change the way he plays. So I'm more.... lets say forgiving... at his proclivity of saying stuff that make me want to rip my hair off. And in a way... it feels like the more awful he sounds the more likely it is that he's town prolly. Because he has like no filter. With that said, I did find him taking off cause of cloudflare when AJ called him sketchy a bit awkward like... so I'll keep it in mind. I also wanna see what Hallia thinks once she catches up today.

 

On a semi related note, what are your thoughts on Wifi?

I like this response to DPR, as well as the point about Eldrick.

 

You're kinda sketching me out Eldrick.

Shouldnt be. He is saying dumb things but not pointedly wolfy

Exactly what I mean about Darthe.

 

I don't know Bop, but I get very suspicious when I see someone talking mechanics D1 like this:

 

I am not hunting for just a 3rd party. I am saying Calder is very reminiscent of Gods and Demons, where he was a cult leader/wolf. That means he is not town. I want to lynch not town. After ALL THAT I said I think he may be 3rd party. Even if I didnt think he was third party, I would still be down to lynch him.

 

So there are reasons that do involve prior games with Calder. And yes, 3rd parties are dangerous. I dont see why this is an issue for anyone that knows my experience with 3rd parties. #AlwaysLynchSurvivors

i don't know about this forum, but on several other sites i've played on, it is not uncommon for wolves to hunt for third parties because in hunting for them they can try to replicate their villager game and get by more. Though how one actually hunts for third parties, beats me. They usually say something about so and so could be a third party and it is a bit of a trigger especially early on in games.

 

so i can see why it may be concerning

It comes across like you're already trying to use some type of gambit proposal to set up a future play you'll make, or as away to try and take focus from sniffing out wolves and creating setup WIFOM. "Well, in this setup on most forums, scum would do this." That may not be your conclusion, but it's how that reads to me.

 

 

 

 

 

2. wrong. My question to DPR is why he thinks dricky is nervous not why he is voting for him. Big difference.

DPR says in the post you quoted "Beat me to it. I've never played with Eldrick and don't know a thing about his meta, but whenever anybody posts fluff and then goes back to explain why they posted fluff, it trips me. I also am not a big fan of meta-based cases in general. Anyone can change up a play style and equally, anyone can be having a day where they are distracted and post differently than they would."

When reading DPR's quote this would be the anwser to why he's reading DPR as nervous. DPR can chime in and if im mistaken then i concede that i was wrong about this point.

You're mistaken - no one is reading me as nervous. We await your concession.

Hey bop how do you feel about the thread atm? I know that's vague, I'm mostly interested in your thoughts on players developing fast relationships with you despite you being new.

I had to pick this post up with a plastic bag and then hold it with my forefinger and thumb before I dropped it n the trash.

There's a difference between "developing fast relationships" and systematically putting yourself into the orbit of every discussion so that you can sway opinions. Could be a scum tell, could be townie swagger - we'll know soon enough - but you asking nicely about how bop "feels" and then setting up a forum from which he can spread his gospel is diiiiiirrrrrty.

FOS Darther & bop.

Guys not gonna lie this post has me panicking, idk how to handle DPRs super strong FoS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe and DPR on wolf team together, perhaps? Even jokingly, I don't see Darthe as any type of panicker.

 

For everyone else: I'm seeing a few things that don't mean much on D1 but could be telling depending on D1 lynch, flips etc. I don't see anything other than what I've listed worth voting over yet, so based on that:

 

[v] Darthe[/v]

This is the stupidest post in this game, congrats on finding that low!

 

Can you explain what you mean?

 

[Eldrick4221]

@Darthe: That's fine. I am only VT. So, it's not like you're killing a PR.

Why?

 

Why did you claim?

[BFG]

^above quote got messed up, but my question is for @Random

[Andrej]

Calder is just showing a ton of false bravado here since I called him out for floating by, which ironically is the exact reason why he was voting Tiink.

 

Tiink complaining about people being okay about lynching him but never addressing, and actually town reading, Calder for it should give some of y'all pause.

 

I'd kill both tbh.

[Andrej]

Also hi BFG

[Eldrick4221]

I can't find the post anymore.

 

I asked shad why he asked Sooh for his read on her. It was talked about last game that she is able to read him based on how he reads her.

 

He hadn't given a read on her atp, so I don't know why he expected her to have a read on him yet.

 

As someone pointed out, his answer didn't address the question. When he originally answered, it confused me and I forgot to address it.

 

I'm doing so now. Shad. I don't want your read on her. I want you to explain why you expected her to have a read on you. What your intent was on asking the question so early.

[BFG]

Also hi BFG

Hi AJ

 

You finally rand town? :p

[Eldrick4221]

Calder is just showing a ton of false bravado here since I called him out for floating by, which ironically is the exact reason why he was voting Tiink.

 

Tiink complaining about people being okay about lynching him but never addressing, and actually town reading, Calder for it should give some of y'all pause.

 

I'd kill both tbh.

Curious how you know this.

[Eldrick4221]

He never explained why he was voting tink to my knowledge

[Andrej]

He never explained why he was voting tink to my knowledge

 

He stated that Tiink 'is just existing' which I took to mean he wasn't doing anything to solve.

 

Pot/kettle, etc.

[Andrej]

 

Also hi BFG

Hi AJ

 

You finally rand town? :p

 

No :(

[Eldrick4221]

Your point about Tink town reading calder while complaining about the others is a good one, though

[Eldrick4221]

 

He never explained why he was voting tink to my knowledge

He stated that Tiink 'is just existing' which I took to mean he wasn't doing anything to solve.

 

Pot/kettle, etc.

Riiight. I remember that now.

 

So you think it's a bus move?

[BFG]

 

 

Also hi BFG

Hi AJ

 

You finally rand town? :p

 

 

No :(

 

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[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Also hi BFG

Hi AJ

 

You finally rand town? :p

No :(

Vote: AJ

[Andrej]

 

 

He never explained why he was voting tink to my knowledge

He stated that Tiink 'is just existing' which I took to mean he wasn't doing anything to solve.

 

Pot/kettle, etc.

Riiight. I remember that now.

 

So you think it's a bus move?

 

I think there's equity for it.

 

Tiink was focusing elsewhere, namely Darthe who just claimed a Town PR and I was leaning town on anyway, while Calder did basically nothing but joke around the entire phase.

 

Then when I start to push Tiink on his stance on Calder after complaining, Calder reverses his read on both of us and suddenly I'm the scum.

 

Not buying it.

[Eldrick4221]

Gonna go reread that

[Shad_]

I'm doing so now. Shad. I don't want your read on her. I want you to explain why you expected her to have a read on you. What your intent was on asking the question so early.

Caught this while poking my head in:

 

I responded to you the way I did initially because I saw where this was coming from and it's silly, but we can play it out.

 

I asked Sooh because I have an interest in determining her alignment and it was the type of question that I felt could have produced a wide range of readable answers from her.

 

But I sometimes ask people questions like that spontaneously/randomly. I generally like to keep wolves guessing as to whether I have expectations or not. In that case, I did.

 

She didn't provide an answer in the BAM obvious villa!Sooh spectrum, more like a 'well played if wolf' null that becomes villa if it happens enough over time.

[Shad_]

lol speaking of which

 

BFG you caught up? What's my alignment?

[Eldrick4221]

Yeah I'll lynch that for now. [v]DPR[/v]

 

We'll see where I get to between now and EoD, gotta jet for real for 20 min or so.

 

 

Yeah I'll lynch that for now. [v]DPR[/v]

 

We'll see where I get to between now and EoD, gotta jet for real for 20 min or so.

 

i think random's catch up post he made overnght was super wolfy.

 

Especially how he voted darthe for a comment that read as sarcastic

 

Unvote

 

Vote random

 

 

taking this for a spin

Interesting transition. Excitement over a dpr vote to getting off the train and going for random instead. In the span of a few mins.

[Eldrick4221]

Not helping with the idea that you're just looking for a lynch

[Eldrick4221]

If bop is scum, random is probably town. This feels like scum getting off one train to start pushing another, once he sees that the villa train he was on is getting traction.