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[Andrej]

Idk. Calder doesn't strike me as the type to give a damn either way and will play how he wants. Which is cool about him but also makes him a hard read so I think it's dumb to Town read someone for reasons like that.

 

He was more involved in the Hackers game and this rinse and repeat act he's pulling doesn't inspire confidence in me. I expect more if he's really Town.

[bopolis]

andrej,

 

current thoughts on DPR?

[Andrej]

He's probably a villa.

 

At the very least, he's doing stuff so I can re-evaluate him later if I need to.

[Andrej]

Also you can just call me AJ

[Tiinker]

Idk. Calder doesn't strike me as the type to give a damn either way and will play how he wants. Which is cool about him but also makes him a hard read so I think it's dumb to Town read someone for reasons like that.

 

He was more involved in the Hackers game and this rinse and repeat act he's pulling doesn't inspire confidence in me. I expect more if he's really Town.

 

Maybe it's cuz I'm not special but I'm finding it hard to come up with reasons why scum would bother doing it. You're right he could be scum and literally not give a shit. But that sounds incredibly petty and given the amount of games he's played I like to think he actually cares and so wouldn't purposefully play like a clown. Think we can end the topic there. My eyes can't stay open.

[bopolis]

Want to clarify one last thing,

 

if someone doesn't get 8 votes does it automatically no lynch or does something else happen?

[Andrej]

Whoever has the most votes at DL will be lynched if no majority is made before then. Tied wagons get randed.

 

It's a plurality/majority hybrid. Whichever happens first

[Eldrick4221]

@Tink why are you voting aj?

 

@shad why are you voting me?

 

@calder why are you voting tink?

 

The only one on that list that has given a semblance of reason is calder, and that it the very minimal amount of persistently trying to get his lynch to happen for #reasons

[Eldrick4221]

[unvote]

 

I am nowhere near confident enough in my read to maintain my vote. I have actually been contemplating no lynch. The chances of us hitting town are high.

 

I'd rather go into night with all townies still alive if there isn't a clear choice.

[Eldrick4221]

I am gonna attempt to get to sleep now so I can be around for dl

[Nynaeve]

[v]Sooh[/v]

[Nynaeve]

Sucks you randed scum. I much prefer to have you as town with me.

[Eldrick4221]

Sucks you randed scum. I much prefer to have you as town with me.

I'm really hoping she's town and just out of it.

 

But don't hate this vote.

[Nynaeve]

I went through Sooh's content btw. The only reads she's really given are Eldrick and Wifi (town leans). And honestly, I could see her feeling obligated to give reads on those two cause she has a name of being one of the few people that can read Wifi well. And I think she has a proficiency with Eldrick as well. She knows him well,she also just got out of a hydra game with him. She didn't really give any other initial thoughts on anyone. There were some nudges, like asking Tiink why he included me and AJ specifically in that joke about disciplining and getting the belt. And her talking to me about how to read NB. But there's no actual conclusions or follow ups from anything that I've seen. I think it's very clear she's struggling with having something to say.... and she's mostly coming up empty.

 

Irt her excuses... they have ranged from... wishing the game would have started a couple of days after it actually started, cause that would have suited her better. Then she mentioned being sick and busy. Then it's just the constant catch up and no one actually being around to talk to... and then it's more so about her being burnt out from the previous game and not really wanting to play and me "making it worse" because I point out that people are around... and she's still laying back. I'm not questioning the validity of it all (as in I'm not saying she's lying about RL), but it wouldn't surprise me if she's leaning on it as a crotch. 

 

And Sooh, I love you too, but you're literally doing nothing to solve or try to change my view. You're not gonna make me feel guilty for putting heat on you. And as such, I feel perfectly fine with placing a vote on you. With that said, on the off chance I am totally misjudging you? Prove me wrong. Otherwise, see'ya next game.

[Eldrick4221]

Lol crotch

[Nynaeve]

crutch, whatever :P

[Nynaeve]

I see Halli has been drunk posting lol

 

I'll touch base with her when she gets up.

[randomh3r0]

Catching up and ready to be present. Some thoughts on my reading from page 46-current (in order as I go through pages):

 

The Shad / DPR stuff seems contrived. I get that DPRdoesnt want to be weighed down by meta, and support that, but his belittling of Shad's points seemed to lack much substance beyond "I'm DPR, you're not, suck it." While I appreciate the devil may care approach, whom does it serve? Not a hugely helpful town move.

 

 

I could be the Cleveland Browns for all I care. Towns statistically win more when villagers try to identify each other than when everyone refuses to cooperate based on the paranoia that all players have unlimited wolfing capacity.

 

 

 

I think I understand now... when the self-proclaimed Bradys and Mannings of Mafia tell you who the villagers are and how you are supposed to play it, you have to go along with that or they're gonna lynch you.

 

Seems legit.

 

You shitbirds are really something. I can't wait to see what greatness comes next.

Again, I appreciate the sentiment, but it almost seems overly antagonistic, which always makes me suspicious. Shad himself is playing rather similar of his last scum game, but I'm not ready to vote or strongly suss on that alone.

 

Nyn is my favorite person to read in mafia, content wise. I have zero meta on her, but she's ridiculously balanced. Null lean right now though.

 

Third game in a row with Darthe - he's playing his D1 game identically. While this in itself isn't enough to firmly label him either way for me, this type of play cost town the game the first time, and masked his wolf game in Hackers. I know he'll say he's not getting lynched D1, but I'm ready to hear how he intends to contribute to a town victory?

 

Sooh, I feel is getting the benefit of the doubt she screamed for in hackers, and I'm getting a town vibe there.

 

As such, I advocate we lynch Tiink today, Lenlo tomorrow, and me and Darthe will Eiffel tower Random to death to end the game.

I uh.... either I don't understand this, or I do and am both disturbed and somewhat flattered.

 

Calder is on his town game so far IMO.

 

Also, DPR, I understand where you're coming from irt Eldrick, in vacuum. Especially knowing this is your first game with him (and this is precisely why I asked early on). The problem with him though is that you can basically always find these  gaping logic holes in his posts, regardless of alignment. He says the most atrocious things. Because that's how he plays, for better or worse. I could easily sit here and critique it every single game with him...and policy lynch him for it.... but at some point I decided it's a waste of time and that I'm more interested in winning instead of telling him off, because I don't think he's going to change the way he plays. So I'm more.... lets say forgiving... at his proclivity of saying stuff that make me want to rip my hair off. And in a way... it feels like the more awful he sounds the more likely it is that he's town prolly. Because he has like no filter. With that said, I did find him taking off cause of cloudflare when AJ called him sketchy a bit awkward like... so I'll keep it in mind. I also wanna see what Hallia thinks once she catches up today.

 

On a semi related note, what are your thoughts on Wifi?

 

I like this response to DPR, as well as the point about Eldrick.

 

You're kinda sketching me out Eldrick.

Shouldnt be. He is saying dumb things but not pointedly wolfy

Exactly what I mean about Darthe.

 

I don't know Bop, but I get very suspicious when I see someone talking mechanics D1 like this:

 

I am not hunting for just a 3rd party. I am saying Calder is very reminiscent of Gods and Demons, where he was a cult leader/wolf. That means he is not town. I want to lynch not town. After ALL THAT I said I think he may be 3rd party. Even if I didnt think he was third party, I would still be down to lynch him.

 

So there are reasons that do involve prior games with Calder. And yes, 3rd parties are dangerous. I dont see why this is an issue for anyone that knows my experience with 3rd parties. #AlwaysLynchSurvivors

 

 

i don't know about this forum, but on several other sites i've played on, it is not uncommon for wolves to hunt for third parties because in hunting for them they can try to replicate their villager game and get by more. Though how one actually hunts for third parties, beats me. They usually say something about so and so could be a third party and it is a bit of a trigger especially early on in games.

 

so i can see why it may be concerning

It comes across like you're already trying to use some type of gambit proposal to set up a future play you'll make, or as away to try and take focus from sniffing out wolves and creating setup WIFOM. "Well, in this setup on most forums, scum would do this." That may not be your conclusion, but it's how that reads to me.

 

 

 

 

2. wrong. My question to DPR is why he thinks dricky is nervous not why he is voting for him. Big difference.

DPR says in the post you quoted "Beat me to it. I've never played with Eldrick and don't know a thing about his meta, but whenever anybody posts fluff and then goes back to explain why they posted fluff, it trips me. I also am not a big fan of meta-based cases in general. Anyone can change up a play style and equally, anyone can be having a day where they are distracted and post differently than they would."

When reading DPR's quote this would be the anwser to why he's reading DPR as nervous. DPR can chime in and if im mistaken then i concede that i was wrong about this point.

You're mistaken - no one is reading me as nervous. We await your concession.

Hey bop how do you feel about the thread atm? I know that's vague, I'm mostly interested in your thoughts on players developing fast relationships with you despite you being new.

I had to pick this post up with a plastic bag and then hold it with my forefinger and thumb before I dropped it n the trash.

There's a difference between "developing fast relationships" and systematically putting yourself into the orbit of every discussion so that you can sway opinions. Could be a scum tell, could be townie swagger - we'll know soon enough - but you asking nicely about how bop "feels" and then setting up a forum from which he can spread his gospel is diiiiiirrrrrty.

FOS Darther & bop.

Guys not gonna lie this post has me panicking, idk how to handle DPRs super strong FoS

Darthe and DPR on wolf team together, perhaps? Even jokingly, I don't see Darthe as any type of panicker.

 

For everyone else: I'm seeing a few things that don't mean much on D1 but could be telling depending on D1 lynch, flips etc. I don't see anything other than what I've listed worth voting over yet, so based on that:

 

[v] Darthe[/v]

[Calder]

What's your thoughts on Calder?

  

I'm asking because he has most consistently called for your lynch without any real reason behind it while doing not much else of anything and I don't believe you've addressed that.

  

 

What's your thoughts on Calder?

 

 

Randomly pushing a lynch in the way he has seems incredibly obnoxious. For scum to do it and keep doing it this late into the day phase while providing absolutely zero other contribution seems like a ridiculously shitty way to draw attention to yourself. If he's scum, what would really be the point? I dunno, it would seem to be just a terrible play to me. On the other hand, it would appear he's almost succeeding given the amount of attention I'm getting. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning town.

  

 

 

What's your thoughts on Calder?

Randomly pushing a lynch in the way he has seems incredibly obnoxious. For scum to do it and keep doing it this late into the day phase while providing absolutely zero other contribution seems like a ridiculously shitty way to draw attention to yourself. If he's scum, what would really be the point? I dunno, it would seem to be just a terrible play to me. On the other hand, it would appear he's almost succeeding given the amount of attention I'm getting. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning town.

Town reading him for basically doing nothing makes it pretty easy to get away with, no?

  

 

 

 

What's your thoughts on Calder?

 

Randomly pushing a lynch in the way he has seems incredibly obnoxious. For scum to do it and keep doing it this late into the day phase while providing absolutely zero other contribution seems like a ridiculously shitty way to draw attention to yourself. If he's scum, what would really be the point? I dunno, it would seem to be just a terrible play to me. On the other hand, it would appear he's almost succeeding given the amount of attention I'm getting. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning town.

Town reading him for basically doing nothing makes it pretty easy to get away with, no?

 

I'm not town reading him for doing nothing. I'm town reading him for openly playing like a moron while seemingly sticking to his guns despite the fact he's going to obviously get flack for it.

Just a snapshot of Andreh egging Tiink against me. Andrej you read as scum to me here trying to pull Tiink in a fight against me so that you can have two townies go to war. You trying to setup both the D1 and D2 lynches at once by getting v/v against each other? Bc it sure reads that way to me.

 

[V]unvote

Vote Andrej[/v]

 

My vote is now frozen solid, locked in stone, whatever strong substance you prefer. I 100% guarentee AJ is scum.

[Calder]

Tiink is town btw. I was wrong. AJ overplayed the situation. I have emerged from the tunnel and the light of the morning is bright.

[Nynaeve]

Nyn is my favorite person to read in mafia, content wise. I have zero meta on her, but she's ridiculously balanced. Null lean right now though.

 

 

Thanks? >.>

[Nynaeve]

Tiink is town btw. I was wrong. AJ overplayed the situation. I have emerged from the tunnel and the light of the morning is bright.

 

I'll read through the long post after i'm done eating lunch, but fwiw I didn't like him trying to sell Sooh sounding "better" when she did absolutely nothing of the sort.

[Calder]

 

Tiink is town btw. I was wrong. AJ overplayed the situation. I have emerged from the tunnel and the light of the morning is bright.

 

 

I'll read through the long post after i'm done eating lunch, but fwiw I didn't like him trying to sell Sooh sounding "better" when she did absolutely nothing of the sort.

It isnt even what he is saying it is how he is doing it. Straight up was poking Tiink again and again to try and get him against me. AJ acting out the scum strategy there for sure.

[Nynaeve]

I don't hate it

[Nynaeve]

AJ is a well spoken soab. That's why he never gets a town lean from me on D1, even if the words sound right.