Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Shad_]

Hey Pral is here.

[Shad_]

And I have to leave. <_<

[Shad_]

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

[Pralaya]

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

 

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up. 

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum. 

[Shad_]

People appear when I name them.

 

I feel so empowered.

[Zander?]

 

 

Umofficial Vote Count 1.125

Zander (2) - Dice, Random

Sock (3) - NotBob, Calder, Zander

Random (1) - Darthe

Amega (1) - Cass

NotBob (1) - Sock

Not voting: Marsh, Pralaya, Shad, Amega

7 to lynch

14 hours, 28 mins til deadline (link didn't copy)

 

 

[unvote][V] sock [/v]

 

I dont really like how this train is building...

 

[unvote]

 

Still time left before DL.

You don't like NB / Calder?

Or something else?

 

 

I didnt like the fact it was the only real train and too many undecided people.

[Shad_]

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

 

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up. 

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

 

Where is the case/quotes I'm used to seeing come along with your scum read?

[Shad_]

Need to not let myself play Mafia all day

 

Been pretty good about it so far

 

Shutting my PC off bb tonight

[Pralaya]

 

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

 

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up. 

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

 

Where is the case/quotes I'm used to seeing come along with your scum read?

 

 

Once I am fully caught up. If I am still alive.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

I asked Notbob why he thought that copping us is a bad idea, because nobody else seems to care what he does.

 

Because I was the one to ask, his response was to "respond to his scum read" by accusing me of being gf.

 

Not at all helpful. Why would he not want a scum read to be viewed? This makes no sense. Yes, a gf would counter it, but if one is on the game the other 2 non-towns would come up as such.

 

This logic makes 0 sense. Can someone else ask him so we can get a real answer?

 

Or, you know, ask him anything. Talk about him. Stop ignoring the slot.

 

Or just lynch him. That works too. He is probably scum.

And just before posting that you had posted this, which really is not very good. You're talking about potential gf mechanics invalidating nbs read since we don't know what is in the game and that's actually fair, but that's the guy you're voting and you don't use that against him or even dai it looks bad on him, you just complain that others aren't looking at it and ask people to do your work for you.

 

To me, that's a giant red flag and I don't see how a townie does that in your place.

But there cant be a GF iirc

That doesnt really invalidate that they were having a discussion about it, bit i need to read this setup.

 

 

Unless I got this wrong tho it was NB who brought it up?

 

If so Eldrick responding to it should be null at best right?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Only reason I'm against voting amega right now is what if we lynch them and are wrong?

 

What would that accomplish?

I considered that, but I personally don't see enough connecting players to learn much from any D1 lynch other than what the selected player flips. A lot of people do contribute a lot more when D2 begins, but isn't having 2 or even 5 total posts at this point pretty detrimental to town? Especially in a game where it could be only two people on the scum team?

He said early even if i wasnt Scum I was bad Town and I needed to be lynched.

 

And here again its well who cares if theyre not Scum theyre just a detriment to Town so who cares.

 

Townies shouldnt want to lynch other Townies imo.

What he said is super weird. Are you town reading him?

 

 

No Im Scum reading me and currently voting him,

[Zander?]

Random did feel significantly more involved last game. That path could be legit.

 

What differences do you feel there his between this game and the last one for him?

[Zander?]

DB says they played together a bit years ago but the only remotely recent games was Pirates.

 

What is this referring to?

[Zander?]

GOAT 1-post wolf outing?

 

Where you at brother Z?

 

Im here only like 1 page left to catch up on.

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

Only reason I'm against voting amega right now is what if we lynch them and are wrong?

What would that accomplish?

 

I considered that, but I personally don't see enough connecting players to learn much from any D1 lynch other than what the selected player flips. A lot of people do contribute a lot more when D2 begins, but isn't having 2 or even 5 total posts at this point pretty detrimental to town? Especially in a game where it could be only two people on the scum team?

He said early even if i wasnt Scum I was bad Town and I needed to be lynched.

And here again its well who cares if theyre not Scum theyre just a detriment to Town so who cares.

Townies shouldnt want to lynch other Townies imo.

What he said is super weird. Are you town reading him?

 

No Im Scum reading me and currently voting him,

[randomh3r0]

Random did feel significantly more involved last game. That path could be legit.

 

Last game began at the beginning of a long weekend for me, this game has been entirely during the work week for me so far. 

 

 

 

 

I keep forgetting to mention it.

 

Random. You talk about there only being possibly 2 scum because of the traitor.

 

The rules said that if the main mafia dies, the traitor gains the Mafia NK. So there's 3 either way.

 

Regardless of whether or not the traitor was recruited, there is 3 scum. Period.

 

Yes, I realized that. My point, however, was that there could be a 2-person "true" mafia team, meaning only two who use the QT and know of each other. So for example:

 

If Pral and Amega happened to be the original 2 mafia team members and didn't elect to recruit traitor, it would only be those two who knew their alignment.

 

 

The traitor would know who the scum were as well here but the Scum team wouldnt know them.

 

 

Right, but again, my point was that if the traitor wasn't recruited, there's not a team of 3 scum players who all know who each other are and are able to act together. 

 

 

 

 

 

As a hydra, and especially one who lives 9 hours apart, we need time to communicate. 

 

Him not moving our vote was to get me on board with what he wanted to do, before he did it, because last time he voted without my knowledge I flipped out. 

 

If THAT is what makes you vote us, then idk what to say.

 

Also Eldrick's behavior this game, is that something ANY of you associate with his scum game?

 

What about my posts and behavior? Is this my scum game?

 

I've previously voiced my opinion on the whole snap-vote with Sock and the ensuing fallout, but this post gave me another thought. This is likely just WIFOM, but I haven't slept yet so it's what I've got at the moment: 

 

The one consistency with Sooh and Eldrick so far has been how differently they're both reacting to things and even voting. It seems to me that players in a hydra who are as active as both members of Sock might be spending a bit more time keeping things on the same page if they were scum. Wolf hunting, especially on D1, is chaotic at best when town - you don't trust anyone and you want to find mafia wherever they may be. Constant activity that can so easily construed as contradictory, as in the snap vote or how people have had such different reads on each member individually throughout D1, seems like something they'd like be keeping better under wraps if they also had to answer to mafia members. Of course, this could be the result of a planned gambit, but the more I've sat and thought about this tonight, the more it strikes me as the play of flailing townies who made some awkward posts and have drawn a LOT of pressure. I know I've been linked to them and Dice at different times, but I'm going to be honest about what I see and think, even if it puts me under suspicion as well. 

 

 

@ Random where things stand I might vote you tomorrow. Good idea y/n?

 

Very much not a good idea. 

 

 

 

Yeah, you quoted me crediting you with making a joke. You omitted all the times I said that doesn't equal an admission that you were right.

 

Dude you straight up said I didnt say stuff and i straight up proved I did.

 

Are you denying this?

 

 

After careful consideration, I've decided to back off from you, and say a few things: First, I'm going to admit that you did indeed point out some things I hadn't seen you say previously. I disagree with the seriousness of your mentioning the potential traitor, but you DID say it. I can't deny that. Second, because I've only played one game with you and you were IC who lasted the whole game, I thought I had a better idea of how you played as town than I apparently do, and I've let meta from that game affect too much of my opinion of you so far in this game. I admit that's pretty hypocritical of me, so I'm going to do my best to avoid that moving forward. Third, the way you responded to my questions did indeed frustrate me, and if one of us does not end up lynched (and if you're indeed town), moving forward I'll pledge to ensure I read/comprehend your posts more thoroughly if you can please just answer a question (even as a short simple answer) if it's posed going forward. Even if you feel you've answered a question before, sometimes asking a question at a different point in the game or asking it in a different way can provide more information, and that's all I try to do when asking questions - get information. 

 

unvote

 

All that being said, I really don't know what my next move is yet. Darthe's posts have seemed exactly in line with his town play last game, I don't feel like Sock is a good D1 lynch, we still have people with ridiculously low post counts and we're dangerously close to deadline, and just about everyone has 2-3 people they like as town, and 2-3 people they like as scum, with far too little overlap. Amega and Pral have 7 posts between them, and it's entirely likely we're all just chasing our tails at this point, since the setup does allow for the possibility of there only being 2 true scum (if they didn't recruit traitor).

 

Given everything, I think my vote is best spent putting pressure on one of the absentees, although I will consider a consolidation vote to avoid a random lynch (or to try and gain information from their flip) if it comes to that (and if we're lacking any form of consensus when deadline arrives), but in a game this intense I'd rather keep a few people around that have drawn suspicion than give a free pass to lurkers of that caliber. 

 

vote Pralaya

 

 

[v] Random [/v]

 

This reads less to me like you ACTUALLY reconsidered a read on me and more like you REALIZED a Zander lynch want happening.

 

 

I seriously do not know why you're reacting this way. I gave you a list of specific reasons why I was backing off for the time being. Even if I hadn't explained my reasoning for doing so, what exactly is the downside or scum aspect of unvoting someone if a train isn't going to go anywhere? If I vote someone based on their lack of activity in a game, and then they begin contributing, I would react to that by unvoting them (unless said contributions gave me mafia vibes). At this point, I'm just baffled by you. I have now twice made a serious, conscious effort to give you the benefit of the doubt, including admitting my own faults in our exchanges, and yet every time I try to move on and look harder at others, you keep antagonizing me. So, I've had enough of that back and forth with you, it's going nowhere. 

 

 

Hmmm. So while I'm thinking about the setup and reading it carefully, it looks like the town roles can actually give us a clue as to what the mafia did. They had a choice to refuse all roles in exchange for keeping the town all vanilla, but that can't have happened because I'm an IC. So at least one of the four options was exercised, and if someone else has a town PR then two of them. I guess that isn't too useful now is it. 

 

Based on this, and in the hopes of aiding town the best I feel I can at this point, I'm just going to come out with it: I'm the town cop. If I survive D1 I will ask for everyone's votes for my view, and I will abide by the majority vote. If no majority can be reached, I will use my view on Zander and report my findings first thing D2. I realize this makes me super vulnerable to people ready to either lynch based on power-role claim, especially with only 2 current votes on me, but deadline is fast approaching, and I feel my best move right now is to just come out with it and let you guys do what you will. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Btw, Monstr last night was almost verbatum of his last scum game on Mafia Universe, even down to him being worried about me pocketing him.

Curious for a link on that.

 

Also Cass has been generally villagery so far. Doing pretty much everything I expect town!Cass to, can't hate it.

 

 

Will be looking for this link upon catch up as well.

 

 

SOOH WHERE IS THIS LINK?!!?!?!?

 

I posted it ages ago.

 

Clearly you're not reading my posts.

 

 

Ok Im sorry if I missed it.

 

You mind quoting it for me please?!?!?

[Sooh]

 

Re: Your (perceived) Random scum read. There's one post that makes me doubt that in particular, and it came after Eldrick voted for you and I reacted. Did you read that yet?

Nope, I noticed that Eldrick briefly voted me but that chunk is in the backlog of things I still have to read.

 

Quote plz? Otherwise should hopefully get to it tonight before DL.

 

This is the post I was referring to.

 

 

 

 

 

Yea. He isn't doing that.

 

I'm cool with pressure there too.

 

[V]Shad [/v]

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Sock [/v]

Omg

 

 

This was an interesting exchange. Zander pressure-votes Shad, Eldrick jumps on it in no time (not Sock, as Sooh was surprised by the exchange). Then Zander immediately jumps on Sock.It was surprising. 

 

I'll say this though, which could be WIFOM, but makes sense in my head - If we think that Sock is scum, then they would both be on 2 QTs. I don't think this mix-up of Eldrick jumping the vote gun on Shad and then Sooh going "wait, what?" happens if they've got two QT boards to check. One, perhaps, but if they're working with mafia as well as each other, that seems like a GIANT stretch for experienced players. 

 

Now, with the setup of this game, they could still be mafia traitor and make the above mistake without having a second QT, but given Sooh's play without Eldricks, I'd be leaning townie. Eldrick alone I'd have a slight scum read on primarily for the whole exchange quoted directly above. I think in their own accidental way they've bought themselves a pass from me for now. Do with that what you will, all 

 

I'm somewhere between thinking that's too rambly and too train of thought to be constructed from a scum. I don't know if Random is good scum, but most scums I know polish their ideas a bit more before adding them to the thread.

 

On the other hand I don't know what it means that they are the only ones who seem to be more level headed about the situation, and be spectators rather than throwing themselves out there with more reactionary stuff.

[Calder]

 

Random did feel significantly more involved last game. That path could be legit.

 

 

What differences do you feel there his between this game and the last one for him?

For one, he gave a list sooner this game. I dont remember a detailed list from him until N2 last time (right before I killed him). That is nitpicky but a difference for me.

 

It is partially just amount of involvement. He had periods of huge activity last game that made me think he was scum.

[Calder]

Oh shit lol Random.

 

That was far too soon for that claim.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, Monstr last night was almost verbatum of his last scum game on Mafia Universe, even down to him being worried about me pocketing him.

Curious for a link on that.

 

Also Cass has been generally villagery so far. Doing pretty much everything I expect town!Cass to, can't hate it.

 

 

Will be looking for this link upon catch up as well.

 

 

SOOH WHERE IS THIS LINK?!!?!?!?

 

I posted it ages ago.

 

Clearly you're not reading my posts.

 

 

Ok Im sorry if I missed it.

 

You mind quoting it for me please?!?!?

 

I hope this is Zandercatchup style, because SHad just did.

[randomh3r0]

Oh shit lol Random.

 

That was far too soon for that claim.

 

Yeah well, it's my first game with a power role, Zander's been all over me for what feels to me like nothing at all, and when Marsh pointed out that town roles could also provide insight into what mafia did, I just felt like I'd put my money where my mouth is and try to give us a shot

[Sooh]

Need to not let myself play Mafia all day

 

Been pretty good about it so far

 

Shutting my PC off bb tonight

Something so odd about Shad being able to take breaks in the middle of intense mafia games. Idk. Maybe he's just trying to have a not so all consuming approach.

[Sooh]

Oh shit lol Random.

 

That was far too soon for that claim.

What am I missing?

[Sooh]

 

Oh shit lol Random.

 

That was far too soon for that claim.

 

Yeah well, it's my first game with a power role, Zander's been all over me for what feels to me like nothing at all, and when Marsh pointed out that town roles could also provide insight into what mafia did, I just felt like I'd put my money where my mouth is and try to give us a shot

 

omg whaaaa?