Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

I asked Notbob why he thought that copping us is a bad idea, because nobody else seems to care what he does.

 

Because I was the one to ask, his response was to "respond to his scum read" by accusing me of being gf.

 

Not at all helpful. Why would he not want a scum read to be viewed? This makes no sense. Yes, a gf would counter it, but if one is on the game the other 2 non-towns would come up as such.

 

This logic makes 0 sense. Can someone else ask him so we can get a real answer?

 

Or, you know, ask him anything. Talk about him. Stop ignoring the slot.

 

Or just lynch him. That works too. He is probably scum.

And just before posting that you had posted this, which really is not very good. You're talking about potential gf mechanics invalidating nbs read since we don't know what is in the game and that's actually fair, but that's the guy you're voting and you don't use that against him or even dai it looks bad on him, you just complain that others aren't looking at it and ask people to do your work for you.

 

To me, that's a giant red flag and I don't see how a townie does that in your place.

 

What?

 

Just what???

 

NB unpromptedly said about someone's cop/doc/vig that he thought we were a bad target. When asked why he responded with saying we're gf. Why are we a higher likelyhood of being a gf than anyone else in the game? 

 

Also I don't understand the rest of your complaints.

 

You say we haven't done the work. I literally ISOed him last night and gave my opinions. You know this because that's what you and I have been talking about since then. Why is that telling others to do work for you?

 

 

 

 

You are not a higher probability.  Eldrick was begging the question.  Me no likey.

 

istr that happened later than you saying you didn't think we were a good cop target.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

See. My reason for having am issue with the cop question is he knows we are town, and doesn't want us cleared.

 

lulz ^^^ this guy.

[Sooh]

 

See. My reason for having am issue with the cop question is he knows we are town, and doesn't want us cleared.

 

lulz ^^^ this guy.

 

in my eyes this looks so much like lolcatting right now.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

I asked Notbob why he thought that copping us is a bad idea, because nobody else seems to care what he does.

 

Because I was the one to ask, his response was to "respond to his scum read" by accusing me of being gf.

 

Not at all helpful. Why would he not want a scum read to be viewed? This makes no sense. Yes, a gf would counter it, but if one is on the game the other 2 non-towns would come up as such.

 

This logic makes 0 sense. Can someone else ask him so we can get a real answer?

 

Or, you know, ask him anything. Talk about him. Stop ignoring the slot.

 

Or just lynch him. That works too. He is probably scum.

And just before posting that you had posted this, which really is not very good. You're talking about potential gf mechanics invalidating nbs read since we don't know what is in the game and that's actually fair, but that's the guy you're voting and you don't use that against him or even dai it looks bad on him, you just complain that others aren't looking at it and ask people to do your work for you.

 

To me, that's a giant red flag and I don't see how a townie does that in your place.

What?

 

Just what???

 

NB unpromptedly said about someone's cop/doc/vig that he thought we were a bad target. When asked why he responded with saying we're gf. Why are we a higher likelyhood of being a gf than anyone else in the game?

 

Also I don't understand the rest of your complaints.

 

You say we haven't done the work. I literally ISOed him last night and gave my opinions. You know this because that's what you and I have been talking about since then. Why is that telling others to do work for you?

You are not a higher probability. Eldrick was begging the question. Me no likey.

And if someone else had noticed and asked, your answer would be...

[randomh3r0]

As a hydra, and especially one who lives 9 hours apart, we need time to communicate. 

 

Him not moving our vote was to get me on board with what he wanted to do, before he did it, because last time he voted without my knowledge I flipped out. 

 

If THAT is what makes you vote us, then idk what to say.

 

Also Eldrick's behavior this game, is that something ANY of you associate with his scum game?

 

What about my posts and behavior? Is this my scum game?

 

I've previously voiced my opinion on the whole snap-vote with Sock and the ensuing fallout, but this post gave me another thought. This is likely just WIFOM, but I haven't slept yet so it's what I've got at the moment: 

 

The one consistency with Sooh and Eldrick so far has been how differently they're both reacting to things and even voting. It seems to me that players in a hydra who are as active as both members of Sock might be spending a bit more time keeping things on the same page if they were scum. Wolf hunting, especially on D1, is chaotic at best when town - you don't trust anyone and you want to find mafia wherever they may be. Constant activity that can so easily construed as contradictory, as in the snap vote or how people have had such different reads on each member individually throughout D1, seems like something they'd like be keeping better under wraps if they also had to answer to mafia members. Of course, this could be the result of a planned gambit, but the more I've sat and thought about this tonight, the more it strikes me as the play of flailing townies who made some awkward posts and have drawn a LOT of pressure. I know I've been linked to them and Dice at different times, but I'm going to be honest about what I see and think, even if it puts me under suspicion as well. 

 

 

@ Random where things stand I might vote you tomorrow. Good idea y/n?

 

Very much not a good idea. 

 

 

 

Yeah, you quoted me crediting you with making a joke. You omitted all the times I said that doesn't equal an admission that you were right.

 

Dude you straight up said I didnt say stuff and i straight up proved I did.

 

Are you denying this?

 

 

After careful consideration, I've decided to back off from you, and say a few things: First, I'm going to admit that you did indeed point out some things I hadn't seen you say previously. I disagree with the seriousness of your mentioning the potential traitor, but you DID say it. I can't deny that. Second, because I've only played one game with you and you were IC who lasted the whole game, I thought I had a better idea of how you played as town than I apparently do, and I've let meta from that game affect too much of my opinion of you so far in this game. I admit that's pretty hypocritical of me, so I'm going to do my best to avoid that moving forward. Third, the way you responded to my questions did indeed frustrate me, and if one of us does not end up lynched (and if you're indeed town), moving forward I'll pledge to ensure I read/comprehend your posts more thoroughly if you can please just answer a question (even as a short simple answer) if it's posed going forward. Even if you feel you've answered a question before, sometimes asking a question at a different point in the game or asking it in a different way can provide more information, and that's all I try to do when asking questions - get information. 

 

unvote

 

All that being said, I really don't know what my next move is yet. Darthe's posts have seemed exactly in line with his town play last game, I don't feel like Sock is a good D1 lynch, we still have people with ridiculously low post counts and we're dangerously close to deadline, and just about everyone has 2-3 people they like as town, and 2-3 people they like as scum, with far too little overlap. Amega and Pral have 7 posts between them, and it's entirely likely we're all just chasing our tails at this point, since the setup does allow for the possibility of there only being 2 true scum (if they didn't recruit traitor).

 

Given everything, I think my vote is best spent putting pressure on one of the absentees, although I will consider a consolidation vote to avoid a random lynch (or to try and gain information from their flip) if it comes to that (and if we're lacking any form of consensus when deadline arrives), but in a game this intense I'd rather keep a few people around that have drawn suspicion than give a free pass to lurkers of that caliber. 

 

vote Pralaya

[Eldrick4221]

Even if you feel you've answered a question before, sometimes asking a question at a different point in the game or asking it in a different way can provide more information, and that's all I try to do when asking questions - get information.

This.

 

So much this.

[Eldrick4221]

Just so you know random, Pral basically doesn't play d1. He gets going later.

 

Pressure there will probably do nothing.

[randomh3r0]

Just so you know random, Pral basically doesn't play d1. He gets going later.

 

Pressure there will probably do nothing.

While I appreciate the additional info, it's maddening that A: people do that, B: people accept it, and C: it keeps them from getting lynched. If a day in mafia was 24 hours, it'd be understandable. But he's had three days and posted twice.

 

But thats the game I guess

[randomh3r0]

Is it the same with amega?

[Eldrick4221]

Don't know amega at all.

[Eldrick4221]

Only reason I'm against voting amega right now is what if we lynch them and are wrong?

 

What would that accomplish?

[Eldrick4221]

Same with Pral, I guess, but I already don't lynch him d1 so /shrug

[randomh3r0]

Only reason I'm against voting amega right now is what if we lynch them and are wrong?

 

What would that accomplish?

I considered that, but I personally don't see enough connecting players to learn much from any D1 lynch other than what the selected player flips. A lot of people do contribute a lot more when D2 begins, but isn't having 2 or even 5 total posts at this point pretty detrimental to town? Especially in a game where it could be only two people on the scum team?

[Darthe]

 

 

I asked Notbob why he thought that copping us is a bad idea, because nobody else seems to care what he does.

 

Because I was the one to ask, his response was to "respond to his scum read" by accusing me of being gf.

 

Not at all helpful. Why would he not want a scum read to be viewed? This makes no sense. Yes, a gf would counter it, but if one is on the game the other 2 non-towns would come up as such.

 

This logic makes 0 sense. Can someone else ask him so we can get a real answer?

 

Or, you know, ask him anything. Talk about him. Stop ignoring the slot.

 

Or just lynch him. That works too. He is probably scum.

And just before posting that you had posted this, which really is not very good. You're talking about potential gf mechanics invalidating nbs read since we don't know what is in the game and that's actually fair, but that's the guy you're voting and you don't use that against him or even dai it looks bad on him, you just complain that others aren't looking at it and ask people to do your work for you.

 

To me, that's a giant red flag and I don't see how a townie does that in your place.

What?

 

Just what???

 

NB unpromptedly said about someone's cop/doc/vig that he thought we were a bad target. When asked why he responded with saying we're gf. Why are we a higher likelyhood of being a gf than anyone else in the game?

 

Also I don't understand the rest of your complaints.

 

You say we haven't done the work. I literally ISOed him last night and gave my opinions. You know this because that's what you and I have been talking about since then. Why is that telling others to do work for you?

If youre town this might be what youre intending but its not what im seeing, and apparently im not alone in than. Notbob just looks like easy, and mostly unjustified, prey.

[Darthe]

 

As a hydra, and especially one who lives 9 hours apart, we need time to communicate.

 

Him not moving our vote was to get me on board with what he wanted to do, before he did it, because last time he voted without my knowledge I flipped out.

 

If THAT is what makes you vote us, then idk what to say.

 

Also Eldrick's behavior this game, is that something ANY of you associate with his scum game?

 

What about my posts and behavior? Is this my scum game?

I've previously voiced my opinion on the whole snap-vote with Sock and the ensuing fallout, but this post gave me another thought. This is likely just WIFOM, but I haven't slept yet so it's what I've got at the moment:

 

The one consistency with Sooh and Eldrick so far has been how differently they're both reacting to things and even voting. It seems to me that players in a hydra who are as active as both members of Sock might be spending a bit more time keeping things on the same page if they were scum. Wolf hunting, especially on D1, is chaotic at best when town - you don't trust anyone and you want to find mafia wherever they may be. Constant activity that can so easily construed as contradictory, as in the snap vote or how people have had such different reads on each member individually throughout D1, seems like something they'd like be keeping better under wraps if they also had to answer to mafia members. Of course, this could be the result of a planned gambit, but the more I've sat and thought about this tonight, the more it strikes me as the play of flailing townies who made some awkward posts and have drawn a LOT of pressure. I know I've been linked to them and Dice at different times, but I'm going to be honest about what I see and think, even if it puts me under suspicion as well.

 

@ Random where things stand I might vote you tomorrow. Good idea y/n?

Very much not a good idea.

 

 

Yeah, you quoted me crediting you with making a joke. You omitted all the times I said that doesn't equal an admission that you were right.

Dude you straight up said I didnt say stuff and i straight up proved I did.

 

Are you denying this?

After careful consideration, I've decided to back off from you, and say a few things: First, I'm going to admit that you did indeed point out some things I hadn't seen you say previously. I disagree with the seriousness of your mentioning the potential traitor, but you DID say it. I can't deny that. Second, because I've only played one game with you and you were IC who lasted the whole game, I thought I had a better idea of how you played as town than I apparently do, and I've let meta from that game affect too much of my opinion of you so far in this game. I admit that's pretty hypocritical of me, so I'm going to do my best to avoid that moving forward. Third, the way you responded to my questions did indeed frustrate me, and if one of us does not end up lynched (and if you're indeed town), moving forward I'll pledge to ensure I read/comprehend your posts more thoroughly if you can please just answer a question (even as a short simple answer) if it's posed going forward. Even if you feel you've answered a question before, sometimes asking a question at a different point in the game or asking it in a different way can provide more information, and that's all I try to do when asking questions - get information.

 

unvote

 

All that being said, I really don't know what my next move is yet. Darthe's posts have seemed exactly in line with his town play last game, I don't feel like Sock is a good D1 lynch, we still have people with ridiculously low post counts and we're dangerously close to deadline, and just about everyone has 2-3 people they like as town, and 2-3 people they like as scum, with far too little overlap. Amega and Pral have 7 posts between them, and it's entirely likely we're all just chasing our tails at this point, since the setup does allow for the possibility of there only being 2 true scum (if they didn't recruit traitor).

 

Given everything, I think my vote is best spent putting pressure on one of the absentees, although I will consider a consolidation vote to avoid a random lynch (or to try and gain information from their flip) if it comes to that (and if we're lacking any form of consensus when deadline arrives), but in a game this intense I'd rather keep a few people around that have drawn suspicion than give a free pass to lurkers of that caliber.

 

vote Pralaya

This is too big for me to read atm. Tldr?

[Darthe]

Im hoping amega and laya get replaced.

 

Mod should hit up nyn and manbat imo.

[randomh3r0]

@DarthE read it later then? I spent time on that for a reason, and don't feel a TLDR would do it justice

[randomh3r0]

Im hoping amega and laya get replaced.

 

Mod should hit up nyn and manbat imo.

Lulz

[Eldrick4221]

We could just lynch Darthe for not being helpful.

 

Eh?

 

Joking (mostly)

[randomh3r0]

We could just lynch Darthe for not being helpful.

 

Eh?

 

Joking (mostly)

Despite this being a joke, darthe is still a town lean for me

[Eldrick4221]

How?

 

I mean why?

[Eldrick4221]

The people I am having trouble reading are Darthe and calder. Annoyingly they think I'm scum, so I expect talking to them would be as to a brick wall.

 

Already proven with Darthe. Not attempted with calder.

[Eldrick4221]

Darthe was forthcoming with his reason to vote me, so that at least is something in his favor.

[Andrej]

I have prodded both Pralaya and Amega to step up their activity. I will also begin looking for some replacements for the time being.

 

Also good morning. DL is in about 14 hours.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

I asked Notbob why he thought that copping us is a bad idea, because nobody else seems to care what he does.

 

Because I was the one to ask, his response was to "respond to his scum read" by accusing me of being gf.

 

Not at all helpful. Why would he not want a scum read to be viewed? This makes no sense. Yes, a gf would counter it, but if one is on the game the other 2 non-towns would come up as such.

 

This logic makes 0 sense. Can someone else ask him so we can get a real answer?

 

Or, you know, ask him anything. Talk about him. Stop ignoring the slot.

 

Or just lynch him. That works too. He is probably scum.

And just before posting that you had posted this, which really is not very good. You're talking about potential gf mechanics invalidating nbs read since we don't know what is in the game and that's actually fair, but that's the guy you're voting and you don't use that against him or even dai it looks bad on him, you just complain that others aren't looking at it and ask people to do your work for you.

 

To me, that's a giant red flag and I don't see how a townie does that in your place.

What?

 

Just what???

 

NB unpromptedly said about someone's cop/doc/vig that he thought we were a bad target. When asked why he responded with saying we're gf. Why are we a higher likelyhood of being a gf than anyone else in the game?

 

Also I don't understand the rest of your complaints.

 

You say we haven't done the work. I literally ISOed him last night and gave my opinions. You know this because that's what you and I have been talking about since then. Why is that telling others to do work for you?

 

 

If youre town this might be what youre intending but its not what im seeing, and apparently im not alone in than. Notbob just looks like easy, and mostly unjustified, prey.

 

What has NB done this game besides sitting on the sideline and throwing snide comments?

 

Have you read all his game?