Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[randomh3r0]

Should've said.* Wow, thanks phone. Having to clarify my clarification post. 

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander, I credit you for proving that you did in fact prove me wrong about mentioning it, but a throwaway joke about traitor + scum doesn't = someone dead if your traitor joke indeed flips traitor. 

 

If you spent half as much effort casing other players as you've tried defending yourself against me whenever you get pressure, maybe I'd have a town read on you for trying. I don't though. 

 

Ive debunked pretty much your entire case.

 

Youre still voting me

 

You say even if Im Town my bad logic needs to be lynched and youre ok with it.

 

You gave like 1 or 2 Scum reads and say Im not Scum hunting.

 

Im the # 2 poster and have commented and questioned most everyone.

 

Youre still voting me so.....

 

 

You have debunked nothing. You have shown me a joke you posted. We've established vote count doesn't equal quality play. I've given scum reads, but I've also been open to other ideas if it benefited town. All you've done is look for things that back up your initial "connection of Sock, myself and Dice. 

 

Besides, you're forgetting my original case on you that hasn't changed, but I was trying to overlook to continue scum hunting. You're an OMGUS voter, you have flip-flopped your votes today constantly (myself, Shad, Sock just since I've been at work today), and you just dont. make. sense. 

 

Sure, that's only me. But as I mentioned previously, we wouldn't be discussing this right now if you'd simply answered my question without accusing me of not reading your posts. I do read the posts, but guess what? We're 60 pages in on D1 and you're second-highest poster... occasionally I might miss something, which is why I generally add "unless I missed something" during my casing? Instead of accusing, you could've simple said "yes, you missed this", and I'd likely still be trying to work with you right now. 

 

You weren't like this as IC confirmed town, and while I appreciate that this is bringing meta back into it, we're roughly 20 pages since the last time it was mentioned, so it's part of my whole impression of you still. 

 

 

I named other reasons besides OMGUS for my original vote on you.

 

Its funny you used OMGUS as another reason when Dice mentioned he was voting me for NOT using OMGUS.

 

So why dont you ask others if OMGUS is alignment indicative of me one way or the other since you wanna use Meta only really against me.

 

I asked if you are reading my posts because everything you claimed was incorrect.

 

If you read it then you are obv misrepping me which is what Scum tend to do imo.

[Zander?]

I dont see my vote going anywhere today besides Sock/Random barring something crazy.

[randomh3r0]

I dont see my vote going anywhere today besides Sock/Random barring something crazy.

Well, to ensure I don't misread you, what would count as something crazy?

[Zander?]

 

I dont see my vote going anywhere today besides Sock/Random barring something crazy.

Well, to ensure I don't misread you, what would count as something crazy?

 

 

Someone outting themselves pretty hard.

[Ironeyes]

Zander is making me want to kill him but not convincing me he's scum either. Geez

[Shad_]

@Shad - where are you getting your Sooh meta from?

I'm not sure I even understand this question but I've played/spectated quite a few games with her. I've struggled to read her more in some games than others but I've never been dead wrong.

[Shad_]

Zander is making me want to kill him but not convincing me he's scum either. Geez

lulz if Random turns out to be DM's other insane bus machine.

[Zander?]

Zander is making me want to kill him but not convincing me he's scum either. Geez

 

You want to kill me?!?!?!!?

[randomh3r0]

Zander is making me want to kill him but not convincing me he's scum either. Geez

Careful marsh, Zander isn't above connecting the IC to mafia in this game

[Zander?]

 

Zander is making me want to kill him but not convincing me he's scum either. Geez

Careful marsh, Zander isn't above connecting the IC to mafia in this game

 

 

Keep poking at me now youre only defense is basically Zander's stupid or Scum

[Zander?]

your

 

Verbal'd

[randomh3r0]

 

 

Zander is making me want to kill him but not convincing me he's scum either. Geez

Careful marsh, Zander isn't above connecting the IC to mafia in this game

Keep poking at me now youre only defense is basically Zander's stupid or Scum

I've accepted that we won't find common ground. If you debunked me so well, why isn't everyone (are anyone) suddenly after me?

 

I'm going to keep poking you unless something crazy happens, because I believe you're a wolf.

[randomh3r0]

That should've said (or anyone)* in the parentheses. I hate this phone

[Shad_]

Here for a couple of hours while pretending to work at work. 

I still have a couple of pages to catch up on, but there are some things I find really annoying. First off it's the notion that when people do something that's not within their meta it is scummy. It might be, but there are more factors that need to weigh into a read such as that. I'm worried this site is becoming way too meta heavy, and we'll run ourselves into a wall because we're not willing to open our minds and try to look at motivations for changed behavior other than different= scum. 

 

Meta is also SO EASY to rely on as scum when you're trying to get someone lynched. If that someone has been just a little different to what they normally behave like, you can just harp and harp on that until eventually people agree with you. That's not good guys!

 

I'm also really confused that people have actually tried reading me off my posts from yesterday. Yesterday by the time I went to bed the thread had barely moved out of the joke phase, and I think the only game related thing I said was that I was feeling ok about Zander's early game. I guess if your read on me is based on meta factors such as fairly high post count and light tone you can town read me off of that, but tbh I don't think any of that would have been impossible for me to say as scum, especially not early D1. 

 

I hope during the rest of D1 I can get to talk to each of you a little bit individually, because I find that I can more easily assess alignment then. Whoever's online, you're up next!

Ok, so did anyone's attempt to read you off of it bother you, and if so who/why?

[Shad_]

 

 

Eldrick has far outpaced any version of his wolf game I've ever seen

So

/shrug

Megapeek

Bad reason. I'm always a high volume poster. This is null.

This post was aids to me btw. My scum partners in past games have shown the same need to inform people of when a town read is based off bad reasons. They seem to think it will make them look more towny.

 

It doesnt. It makes you look like your main concern is trying to look townie. So I will be voting Eldrick for now.

 

[v]Eldrick[/v]

 

 

 

Yea. I have an open mind. Mostly bc nothing you have said has looked off in any way to me. Eldrick just feels very scummy.

 

Not sure this jives with the Sooh post I just quoted a few minutes ago.

 

I'm not passing judgement on your argument itself, but hadn't Sooh just basically done the exact same thing i.e. explain to people why they were town reading her for a bad reason?

[Shad_]

Also you saying Im not playing the same way as I played IC is different then here.  Well its a PR where I cant be mislynched, so I could do w/e I want.  I play IC differently then normal Town.

Having seen you in multiple IC roles, I can't say I've noticed a difference from games where I've simply read you as an obvious villager really early on.  >_>

[Zander?]

 

Also you saying Im not playing the same way as I played IC is different then here.  Well its a PR where I cant be mislynched, so I could do w/e I want.  I play IC differently then normal Town.

Having seen you in multiple IC roles, I can't say I've noticed a difference from games where I've simply read you as an obvious villager really early on.  >_>

 

 

I play differently because I dont have to defend myself and I can just to random things that come into my brain and not have to worry about getting suss for it.

[Shad_]

 

What troubles me is both Zander AND Darthe's snap votes on me. Sure Darthe asked questions, and him claiming he won't read is both false and perfectly in line with his play, but Zander literally said he just did it as OMGUS, which seems a bad reason when responding to an entire reads list. Zander also doesn't seem the type to just vote when town and scum hunting, he's well-spoken enough to create a case or at least an FOS

 

Vote Zander

 

Where did I say it was just the red???

 

Also I want to hear others weigh in on the rest.

 

I find it quite funny.

 

 

As if to prove my point, Zander votes me without reason

OMGUS is not a valid reason?!?!?!?!

 

You pick and choose where to use Meta in your reads list where it seems to fit.

 

Your need to fire out a reads list when I mention substance issue reads defensive to me.

 

Your focus also seems more constricted this game and not broad based.

 

Like the reasons or not, Z did give them in the exact same post.  His OMGUS line bugged me too but it wasn't the entirety of his statement.

 

As to dropping votes on people on early suspicion, that's not at all unusual and he'll do it as either alignment.  When we've hydra'd I've basically just handed over the rights to it until EoD because he's going to use it like a sword and I'm perpetually unwilling to vote anyone.

[Shad_]

I play differently because I dont have to defend myself and I can just to random things that come into my brain and not have to worry about getting suss for it.

How is this not every game you play as either alignment?

[Shad_]

 

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read.

 

Is anyone else noticing the random/sock/nyce triangle of town reads on each other since I called out Eldrick's connections post?!??!?!!?

 

Likely town

Nyce

Random

random hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

 

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

 

They're all trending positively on one another to some degree, but I'm not sure what you're getting at with red unless you think scum!Eldrick kicked off the game by informing us that if scum!Nyce is a wolf then scum!Random is too.   

 

The only thing that really sticks out here to me is Random calling Dice town while saying mostly negative things about him, which doesn't say anything about Dice's alignment but leaves me wondering about Random a bit.

 

@Random can you/did you explain this town vibe?

[Shad_]

And 'trending positively' is a bit of an overstatement.  Random is expressing mixed signals on Eldrick and the Nyce slot is doing more or less the same.

[randomh3r0]

@Shad since that was so early on, it was mostly meta from the Buffy game. I felt I began this one similarly, and while dice hasn't been as suspicious of me so far this game, I didn't see him doing anything anti-town, mirroring that much of his previous game.

 

The entire connection between myself, dice and sock has been put forth by Zander. My reads list included other town leans too, but those aren't mentioned in his "case". I also included other scum leans, but Z keeps drawing me back to him by his overall play and reactions.

[Shad_]

I still want to know how Z not liking Eldrick's Nyce/Random connection lead him to a Sock Nyce Random wolf team.

[Shad_]

Random posted a reads list, including a scum read on Zander. Zander's response was to vote random. That's town!zander.

Because scum!Zander doesn't return fire? :???: