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Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

Discuss.

Ok, you know what.

You've decided

Notbob has decided

Zander has decided

Random has decided

I don't know why I even bother. It's like I don't even exist.

I have my vote on Eldrick, but have remained open to shifting if someone can sell me on something better.

My problem is that I am not being into the Random argument right now. Find it nitpicky.

That is a problem. A bigger problem is ive not seen your charm yet calder, where you at b?
Dont worry yourself. My charm is scattered all over the 30+ pages you didnt read.

You make a compelling argument, and yet I sense thats not the whole story.

I actually found myself as charming as ever this game. However, my excitement has dimmed since of the 3 people I played heavily off of during this overall fun D1...two are kicked out (manbat and Nyn) and the other is on pure defense (Sooh).

 

Making matters worse I do believe Eldrick Nd by transitive property Sooh is prob scum.

 

 

Can you explain this please?

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I dont really understand the problem with Random's list.

Do you like the reads on it?
There isnt a mafia player alive whose D1 reads I respect.

I dont care if you respect them, I care if you think theyre crap or not.

They are half crap. He is right about me and Dice. Who knows on Zander. Zander is off, but he was the same level of pissy last game.

 

I think he is right about you, but there wasnt enough info to mark you as town in the moment....so i dont love that.

 

Then its basically just a Shad read and a lot of nulls.

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Ok, trying what mod said regarding tags: 

 

 

 

 

 

Clarification: I'm not sussing you Zander, I've seen how you work when town, and so far this seems to be you trying to get the game going and get some reads on people. However, I absolutely will begin to suss you if you continue to show that you'll say one thing and then do a 180 on it when it suits your tunneling needs.

Uh...last game. He was IC (town). You saw him work. You even knew he was town while he did it.

 

 

This is exactly why I'm not sussing him yet. But it's a flimsy pass, because I also have been very vocal about preferring to play using info from the current game over meta - even meta established in a game I was actually in. 

 

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

 

 

Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum lean

 

 

@cass while I did dig into monstr a bit, you'll notice I never voted. I was simply trying to get into the small bit of gameplay actually happening.

 

I've only played one game with Zander, it was the recent Buffy game. Dice, Calder, marsh and darthe were there too. Zander was IC that game, so he was town the whole way. IMO he played that game entire different than he has so far.

 

I'm not pushing a lynch on him just yet, but I'm good with my vote for now.

 

As for the Sooh thing, I don't consider it jumping to defend myself when someone asks questions or points things out. What I DO and always will do, is to ensure if something's asked of or addressed to me, I'll explain myself to avoid miscommunication.

 

Finally, I may be a bit less experienced with Zander than yourself or others, but when he was town that game he had the highest post count by a fair margin, and almost all of it felt townie to an extent - anti scum at least. That's not been my impression of him this game yet, so I acted.

 

More of using the Meta when it suits your need.

 

Yeah, you've mentioned this a few times. Guess what? I've already acknowledged that I have to concede to using meta at times, especially D1, in a game where there's actually a few players I have it on. I don't prefer to do so, and it's not my only reasons, but if you're going to FOS or discredit anyone for using meta, you're going to be looking at everyone. 

I was asked directly why I had said what I said, so I gave my reasons. By all means, keep proving my point though. 

 

 

 

 

Keep proving what point?

 

 

You have continuously done nothing but defend yourself. You haven't cased anyone, you haven't FOS'd anyone who wasn't already looking at you sideways, you've posted a ton, but it's all been reactionary. Call me out for having to use meta all you want, but the fact is you're simply not playing how you did when I knew you were town. I've accepted that I haven't experienced scumZander before, and I'd love a reason to stop this back and forth and spend more time looking at other people, but you simply keep pinging me time and again. Please, Zander, give me one reason to look at anyone other than you at this point? We've got loads of time before deadline, I'd like to make use of it, and I don't want to tunnel D1. 

 

 

You dont think people play differently as PR's or differently as different PR's?

 

Ive done my fair share of Scum Hunting.

 

Who else do you want me to point you at my PoE atp is you/Sock/Dice.

 

You keep asking others to tell you where to look.  As a Towny you should be looking at everyone imo.

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I dont really understand the problem with Random's list.

Do you like the reads on it?
There isnt a mafia player alive whose D1 reads I respect.

I dont care if you respect them, I care if you think theyre crap or not.

They are half crap. He is right about me and Dice. Who knows on Zander. Zander is off, but he was the same level of pissy last game.

 

I think he is right about you, but there wasnt enough info to mark you as town in the moment....so i dont love that.

 

Then its basically just a Shad read and a lot of nulls.

 

 

Whats your Shad read?

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So im not good enough to get two wolves while memeing.. Whats wrong itt? Y'all need to talk to me more.

Ok Darthe, i'll engage: can you give me a reason to forget about Zander at the moment and look more at someone else?

 

Do you have thoughts on Cass taking over for Manbat?

 

What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Im flattered that youll engage me. In short, why zander?

 

Cass is an improvement anywhere she goes, so I like it. Btw, youre the first im hearing that she replaced him so nice.

 

African or european?

 

 

I admit that much of Zander is circumstantial, including meta (that I admit I don't like using), but it's his constant need to defend himself instead of actually looking for mafia that I find troubling. I keep trying to tell myself it's not true, but I'm ok keeping my vote on him until someone else pings harder. 

 

Yeah, i'm watching cass mostly due to manbat's play previously. Her actual play so far has struck me as fairly townie, most of which has come after my reads list. I'll likely have to do an updated one sooner than later, but at least I put one out there, whether it makes you want to vote me or not. 

 

Uh, um, i don't know that... *flies into pit of eternal peril* 

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Ok, trying what mod said regarding tags: 

 

 

 

 

 

Clarification: I'm not sussing you Zander, I've seen how you work when town, and so far this seems to be you trying to get the game going and get some reads on people. However, I absolutely will begin to suss you if you continue to show that you'll say one thing and then do a 180 on it when it suits your tunneling needs.

Uh...last game. He was IC (town). You saw him work. You even knew he was town while he did it.

 

 

This is exactly why I'm not sussing him yet. But it's a flimsy pass, because I also have been very vocal about preferring to play using info from the current game over meta - even meta established in a game I was actually in. 

 

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

 

 

Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum lean

 

 

@cass while I did dig into monstr a bit, you'll notice I never voted. I was simply trying to get into the small bit of gameplay actually happening.

 

I've only played one game with Zander, it was the recent Buffy game. Dice, Calder, marsh and darthe were there too. Zander was IC that game, so he was town the whole way. IMO he played that game entire different than he has so far.

 

I'm not pushing a lynch on him just yet, but I'm good with my vote for now.

 

As for the Sooh thing, I don't consider it jumping to defend myself when someone asks questions or points things out. What I DO and always will do, is to ensure if something's asked of or addressed to me, I'll explain myself to avoid miscommunication.

 

Finally, I may be a bit less experienced with Zander than yourself or others, but when he was town that game he had the highest post count by a fair margin, and almost all of it felt townie to an extent - anti scum at least. That's not been my impression of him this game yet, so I acted.

 

More of using the Meta when it suits your need.

 

Yeah, you've mentioned this a few times. Guess what? I've already acknowledged that I have to concede to using meta at times, especially D1, in a game where there's actually a few players I have it on. I don't prefer to do so, and it's not my only reasons, but if you're going to FOS or discredit anyone for using meta, you're going to be looking at everyone. 

I was asked directly why I had said what I said, so I gave my reasons. By all means, keep proving my point though. 

 

 

 

 

Keep proving what point?

 

 

You have continuously done nothing but defend yourself. You haven't cased anyone, you haven't FOS'd anyone who wasn't already looking at you sideways, you've posted a ton, but it's all been reactionary. Call me out for having to use meta all you want, but the fact is you're simply not playing how you did when I knew you were town. I've accepted that I haven't experienced scumZander before, and I'd love a reason to stop this back and forth and spend more time looking at other people, but you simply keep pinging me time and again. Please, Zander, give me one reason to look at anyone other than you at this point? We've got loads of time before deadline, I'd like to make use of it, and I don't want to tunnel D1. 

 

 

You dont think people play differently as PR's or differently as different PR's?

 

Ive done my fair share of Scum Hunting.

 

Who else do you want me to point you at my PoE atp is you/Sock/Dice.

 

You keep asking others to tell you where to look.  As a Towny you should be looking at everyone imo.

 

 

Fair enough, let's look at Dice and Sock then. Dice voted you, so unless you have another reason to mention him there, can I assume this is an omgus mention? Your suss on sock, is this based on Eldrick or Sooh? Can you explain? Who do you feel is town so far?

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I dont really understand the problem with Random's list.

 

Do you like the reads on it?
There isnt a mafia player alive whose D1 reads I respect.

I dont care if you respect them, I care if you think theyre crap or not.

They are half crap. He is right about me and Dice. Who knows on Zander. Zander is off, but he was the same level of pissy last game.

I think he is right about you, but there wasnt enough info to mark you as town in the moment....so i dont love that.

Then its basically just a Shad read and a lot of nulls.

 

Whats your Shad read?

Far too little content to work from. Wouldnt lynch there today. That is as far as I would go.

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Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

Discuss.

Ok, you know what.

You've decided

Notbob has decided

Zander has decided

Random has decided

I don't know why I even bother. It's like I don't even exist.

I have my vote on Eldrick, but have remained open to shifting if someone can sell me on something better.

My problem is that I am not being into the Random argument right now. Find it nitpicky.

That is a problem. A bigger problem is ive not seen your charm yet calder, where you at b?
Dont worry yourself. My charm is scattered all over the 30+ pages you didnt read.
You make a compelling argument, and yet I sense thats not the whole story.
I actually found myself as charming as ever this game. However, my excitement has dimmed since of the 3 people I played heavily off of during this overall fun D1...two are kicked out (manbat and Nyn) and the other is on pure defense (Sooh).

Making matters worse I do believe Eldrick Nd by transitive property Sooh is prob scum.

You're not compelling me to read those 30 pages here.

If I were you I wouldnt. I guess if you want to enjoy my banter you should. But dont think there is too much of value.

 

That being said....you didnt trust my reads last game and would not reread. That worked out great.

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Ok, trying what mod said regarding tags: 

 

 

 

 

 

Clarification: I'm not sussing you Zander, I've seen how you work when town, and so far this seems to be you trying to get the game going and get some reads on people. However, I absolutely will begin to suss you if you continue to show that you'll say one thing and then do a 180 on it when it suits your tunneling needs.

Uh...last game. He was IC (town). You saw him work. You even knew he was town while he did it.

 

 

This is exactly why I'm not sussing him yet. But it's a flimsy pass, because I also have been very vocal about preferring to play using info from the current game over meta - even meta established in a game I was actually in. 

 

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

 

 

Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum lean

 

 

@cass while I did dig into monstr a bit, you'll notice I never voted. I was simply trying to get into the small bit of gameplay actually happening.

 

I've only played one game with Zander, it was the recent Buffy game. Dice, Calder, marsh and darthe were there too. Zander was IC that game, so he was town the whole way. IMO he played that game entire different than he has so far.

 

I'm not pushing a lynch on him just yet, but I'm good with my vote for now.

 

As for the Sooh thing, I don't consider it jumping to defend myself when someone asks questions or points things out. What I DO and always will do, is to ensure if something's asked of or addressed to me, I'll explain myself to avoid miscommunication.

 

Finally, I may be a bit less experienced with Zander than yourself or others, but when he was town that game he had the highest post count by a fair margin, and almost all of it felt townie to an extent - anti scum at least. That's not been my impression of him this game yet, so I acted.

 

More of using the Meta when it suits your need.

 

Yeah, you've mentioned this a few times. Guess what? I've already acknowledged that I have to concede to using meta at times, especially D1, in a game where there's actually a few players I have it on. I don't prefer to do so, and it's not my only reasons, but if you're going to FOS or discredit anyone for using meta, you're going to be looking at everyone. 

I was asked directly why I had said what I said, so I gave my reasons. By all means, keep proving my point though. 

 

 

 

 

Keep proving what point?

 

 

You have continuously done nothing but defend yourself. You haven't cased anyone, you haven't FOS'd anyone who wasn't already looking at you sideways, you've posted a ton, but it's all been reactionary. Call me out for having to use meta all you want, but the fact is you're simply not playing how you did when I knew you were town. I've accepted that I haven't experienced scumZander before, and I'd love a reason to stop this back and forth and spend more time looking at other people, but you simply keep pinging me time and again. Please, Zander, give me one reason to look at anyone other than you at this point? We've got loads of time before deadline, I'd like to make use of it, and I don't want to tunnel D1. 

 

 

You dont think people play differently as PR's or differently as different PR's?

 

Ive done my fair share of Scum Hunting.

 

Who else do you want me to point you at my PoE atp is you/Sock/Dice.

 

You keep asking others to tell you where to look.  As a Towny you should be looking at everyone imo.

 

 

Fair enough, let's look at Dice and Sock then. Dice voted you, so unless you have another reason to mention him there, can I assume this is an omgus mention? Your suss on sock, is this based on Eldrick or Sooh? Can you explain? Who do you feel is town so far?

 

 

I voted Dice originally based off Nyn's early game play and then Dice's reason for voting me.  Tho as Ive stated this is weakest of my Scum reads because  I dont think Nyn would react like that as Scum.

 

Sock is mostly based on Eldrick and that connection post and now I add Sooh not Scum hunting into that as well.

 

Ive mentioned you.

 

And Ive mentioned also the subsequent mostly Town reads you all seem to be giving each other. 

 

Town

 

Iron because IC

 

Darthe is a slight Town read because he;s playing to his normal Town Meta thus far.

 

Notbob mostly cause I dont seem pushing an agenda which is something he does as Scum and were seeing eye to eye as well.

 

Now if Im wrong on PoE well then Ill have to reevaluate atp.

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Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

Discuss.

 

Ok, you know what.

You've decided

Notbob has decided

Zander has decided

Random has decided

I don't know why I even bother. It's like I don't even exist.

I have my vote on Eldrick, but have remained open to shifting if someone can sell me on something better.

My problem is that I am not being into the Random argument right now. Find it nitpicky.

That is a problem. A bigger problem is ive not seen your charm yet calder, where you at b?
Dont worry yourself. My charm is scattered all over the 30+ pages you didnt read.

You make a compelling argument, and yet I sense thats not the whole story.

I actually found myself as charming as ever this game. However, my excitement has dimmed since of the 3 people I played heavily off of during this overall fun D1...two are kicked out (manbat and Nyn) and the other is on pure defense (Sooh).Making matters worse I do believe Eldrick Nd by transitive property Sooh is prob scum.

 

Can you explain this please?

I dont understand why your asking this. It feels odd considering my vote has been on him for awhile.

 

He is generating a lot of content, yet seems more concerned with maintaining a town persona than hunting.

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@ Random

 

I keep defending myself because Im not IC here and people are sussing me.

 

Should I ignore that?

 

Ignore? No. But it's D1, and you have a grand total of 2 people who have even voted you, with twice that many defending your play as "likely town Zander". So, odds are you're in no danger yet. You're a high-volume poster, and when you go from mostly scum hunting to mostly defense, that's a marked difference. For me, I could've written off just about anything else you'd done as simply reading you wrong, but your OMGUS vote on me  without explanation after my reads list just seemed like such an emotional reaction, and felt like a wolfie play. I hadn't even voted you until quite a few posts after that. 

 

So, if you want me to accept that you're town, I'm giving you the chance here and asking you about others. 

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@ Random

 

I keep defending myself because Im not IC here and people are sussing me.

 

Should I ignore that?

 

Ignore? No. But it's D1, and you have a grand total of 2 people who have even voted you, with twice that many defending your play as "likely town Zander". So, odds are you're in no danger yet. You're a high-volume poster, and when you go from mostly scum hunting to mostly defense, that's a marked difference. For me, I could've written off just about anything else you'd done as simply reading you wrong, but your OMGUS vote on me  without explanation after my reads list just seemed like such an emotional reaction, and felt like a wolfie play. I hadn't even voted you until quite a few posts after that. 

 

So, if you want me to accept that you're town, I'm giving you the chance here and asking you about others. 

 

 

you keep saying that im not scum hunting.

 

but ive got 3 people in my PoE and have explained why theyre there regardless if you agree with them or not.

 

Youve got me and are asking people to tell where else to look

 

Which one of us would you say is Scum Hunting more iyo?

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Ok, trying what mod said regarding tags: 

 

 

 

 

Clarification: I'm not sussing you Zander, I've seen how you work when town, and so far this seems to be you trying to get the game going and get some reads on people. However, I absolutely will begin to suss you if you continue to show that you'll say one thing and then do a 180 on it when it suits your tunneling needs.


Uh...last game. He was IC (town). You saw him work. You even knew he was town while he did it.

 

 
This is exactly why I'm not sussing him yet. But it's a flimsy pass, because I also have been very vocal about preferring to play using info from the current game over meta - even meta established in a game I was actually in. 

 

 
 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 
I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.
 
If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

 

Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum lean

 

 

@cass while I did dig into monstr a bit, you'll notice I never voted. I was simply trying to get into the small bit of gameplay actually happening.

I've only played one game with Zander, it was the recent Buffy game. Dice, Calder, marsh and darthe were there too. Zander was IC that game, so he was town the whole way. IMO he played that game entire different than he has so far.

I'm not pushing a lynch on him just yet, but I'm good with my vote for now.

As for the Sooh thing, I don't consider it jumping to defend myself when someone asks questions or points things out. What I DO and always will do, is to ensure if something's asked of or addressed to me, I'll explain myself to avoid miscommunication.

Finally, I may be a bit less experienced with Zander than yourself or others, but when he was town that game he had the highest post count by a fair margin, and almost all of it felt townie to an extent - anti scum at least. That's not been my impression of him this game yet, so I acted.

 
More of using the Meta when it suits your need.

 

Yeah, you've mentioned this a few times. Guess what? I've already acknowledged that I have to concede to using meta at times, especially D1, in a game where there's actually a few players I have it on. I don't prefer to do so, and it's not my only reasons, but if you're going to FOS or discredit anyone for using meta, you're going to be looking at everyone. 
I was asked directly why I had said what I said, so I gave my reasons. By all means, keep proving my point though. 

 

 
Keep proving what point?

 

 
You have continuously done nothing but defend yourself. You haven't cased anyone, you haven't FOS'd anyone who wasn't already looking at you sideways, you've posted a ton, but it's all been reactionary. Call me out for having to use meta all you want, but the fact is you're simply not playing how you did when I knew you were town. I've accepted that I haven't experienced scumZander before, and I'd love a reason to stop this back and forth and spend more time looking at other people, but you simply keep pinging me time and again. Please, Zander, give me one reason to look at anyone other than you at this point? We've got loads of time before deadline, I'd like to make use of it, and I don't want to tunnel D1.

 

 
You dont think people play differently as PR's or differently as different PR's?
 
Ive done my fair share of Scum Hunting.
 
Who else do you want me to point you at my PoE atp is you/Sock/Dice.
 
You keep asking others to tell you where to look.  As a Towny you should be looking at everyone imo.

 

 
Fair enough, let's look at Dice and Sock then. Dice voted you, so unless you have another reason to mention him there, can I assume this is an omgus mention? Your suss on sock, is this based on Eldrick or Sooh? Can you explain? Who do you feel is town so far?

 

 
I voted Dice originally based off Nyn's early game play and then Dice's reason for voting me.  Tho as Ive stated this is weakest of my Scum reads because  I dont think Nyn would react like that as Scum.
 
Sock is mostly based on Eldrick and that connection post and now I add Sooh not Scum hunting into that as well.
 
Ive mentioned you.
 
And Ive mentioned also the subsequent mostly Town reads you all seem to be giving each other. 
 
Town
 
Iron because IC
 
Darthe is a slight Town read because he;s playing to his normal Town Meta thus far.
 
Notbob mostly cause I dont seem pushing an agenda which is something he does as Scum and were seeing eye to eye as well.
 
Now if Im wrong on PoE well then Ill have to reevaluate atp.

 

 



Thanks Zander. I'm still leaning scum on you, but at this point I'm wanting to look at others a bit more 

 

unvote

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@ Random

 

I keep defending myself because Im not IC here and people are sussing me.

 

Should I ignore that?

 

Ignore? No. But it's D1, and you have a grand total of 2 people who have even voted you, with twice that many defending your play as "likely town Zander". So, odds are you're in no danger yet. You're a high-volume poster, and when you go from mostly scum hunting to mostly defense, that's a marked difference. For me, I could've written off just about anything else you'd done as simply reading you wrong, but your OMGUS vote on me  without explanation after my reads list just seemed like such an emotional reaction, and felt like a wolfie play. I hadn't even voted you until quite a few posts after that. 

 

So, if you want me to accept that you're town, I'm giving you the chance here and asking you about others. 

 

 

you keep saying that im not scum hunting.

 

but ive got 3 people in my PoE and have explained why theyre there regardless if you agree with them or not.

 

Youve got me and are asking people to tell where else to look

 

Which one of us would you say is Scum Hunting more iyo?

 

 

Quantity? You. Quality? Myself. Definition - you've got a larger PoE than me, but I've put myself out there solidly against two players, you and manbat (both of which have ended up drawing out some interesting exchanges), which is more than i've seen you do. But i like that you've answered my questions, even if I'm not sold on your reasons for your suss's, it's a start

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Ok, nobody in current wants to talk, so I'll go back and ISO.

 

I'll start from the bottom up.

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Vote Count 1.09

 

Zander (1) - Dice

Sock (2) - NotBob, Calder

Random (2) - Zander, Darthe

Amega (1) - Cass

 

Not voting: Marsh, Sock, Pralaya, Shad, Amega, Random

 

7 to lynch

 

D1 Countdown

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Ok, nobody in current wants to talk, so I'll go back and ISO.

 

I'll start from the bottom up.

 

Happy to talk, Sooh. What's on your mind?

 

Well, that's what I'm trying to find out. Like people have said, I haven't contributed with too many reads. 

 

Can you talk to me about Cass/Monstr?

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Sooh - Great response for our frame job, but too quick on the draw. The timing of the question and response feels off.

 

We need to pivot to a new plan.

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