Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

Here for a couple of hours while pretending to work at work. 

I still have a couple of pages to catch up on, but there are some things I find really annoying. First off it's the notion that when people do something that's not within their meta it is scummy. It might be, but there are more factors that need to weigh into a read such as that. I'm worried this site is becoming way too meta heavy, and we'll run ourselves into a wall because we're not willing to open our minds and try to look at motivations for changed behavior other than different= scum. 

 

Meta is also SO EASY to rely on as scum when you're trying to get someone lynched. If that someone has been just a little different to what they normally behave like, you can just harp and harp on that until eventually people agree with you. That's not good guys!

 

I'm also really confused that people have actually tried reading me off my posts from yesterday. Yesterday by the time I went to bed the thread had barely moved out of the joke phase, and I think the only game related thing I said was that I was feeling ok about Zander's early game. I guess if your read on me is based on meta factors such as fairly high post count and light tone you can town read me off of that, but tbh I don't think any of that would have been impossible for me to say as scum, especially not early D1. 

 

 

 

I hope during the rest of D1 I can get to talk to each of you a little bit individually, because I find that I can more easily assess alignment then. Whoever's online, you're up next!

 

Sooh youre doing a lot of talking but not any Scum Hunting imo.

 

LITERALLY what I said here that I wanted to do. 

 

Or would you rather I pick some words in your posts and tell you my interpretation of them?

 

 

But youre not actually Scum hunting from what I see.

 

Let me try to put it this way it seems like youre saying stuff for the sake of saying stuff.

 

Its still early but its something Ive noticed.

 

Like youre trying to stay on the sidelines so to speak

 

Zander, let me give you the timeline of this game for me:

 

Last night after work, it was still all jokey in the thread. I participated. I gave my (loose) opinion of you possibly being towny. Then I went to bed

 

When I woke up, there were 20 pages to catch up on. 

In the interest of making the thread readable for the rest of the people playing I decided not to pick on individual posts, but rather get a general feel for people this game. 

 

Then I sat down at work, for three hours, while doing other work-related things, camping in the thread, hoping for people to interact. Nobody was here. I had to go back and teach two more lessons and then went to the chiropractor for my back.

 

I haven't had time to scum hunt yet, Zander. 

Unfortunately my schedule doesn't allow for me to be here at all times, and unfortunately the times I'm not here seems to be the busiest. I'm doing my best with the time I have currently. Now will you let go of "but Sooh doesn't seem to be scum hunting", so I can actually have time to do that instead of having to explain to you why that hasn't been possible yet?

 

lmk

[Darthe]

Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

 

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

 

Discuss.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

Last game started on a weekend, and we had a LOT of fluff before we got into real gameplay IMO. But fair is fair, I'll do a quick dig-in now that I'm all settled:

 Darthe: He's matching his last game fairly consistently so far, in which he was town, so for the moment I've got a slight town lean at the moment. I prefer to go off current game content more, but with what he's posted so far, this is all I have to go on (he does notice interesting things players say however, which can be insightful)

Calder: Tough to call. I'm trying to ignore what little meta I have on Calder, because he completely fooled me last game as SK (i thought him town) However, ignoring that still gives me a town read based on current game's play, but not a strong inclination just yet. Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum leanMarsh: IC. duh. (could use some input from him however)Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

Notbob: He's been enigmatic for me. Asked some odd questions (Asking hypothetically about a Zander Vig shot?) but I haven't been feeling one way or the other quite yet. 

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

Pral: BlankShad: I like Shad's play so far. I'm following his logic, he's posting concise yet thoughtful content. If he's a wolf, this is some spectacular play so far, but it is still early. Probably my biggest town lean so far

Amega: Again, not much at allCass: I don't know enough about manbat to setup any reads for Cass, but prior to the switch i'd have leaned scum on this player. We'll see if more activity changes anything. Random: All - American Hero

Looks like you read the thread already. So, a few things.

I see youre using meta from last.game on me but ignoring it on calder, and thats confusing.

Your dice read has good reasoning but.. Wait what? Lol no it doesnt.

How the eff do you get a read on sooh but not amega if sooh just showed up? She is like a cat gif and a squee into this game and she is orange.

[V] random [/v]

  

 

 

 

Sooh didn't just show up Darthe, but what she has posted was mostly during the pre-play phase. I'm not ignoring meta on Calder, I'm saying that he fooled me last game, so I'm leaning null to slight town. 

 

My Dice logic is based on him still playing like I saw before, but it was surprising that his venom wasn't pointed at me. As I said, the tricky thing with meta is that I don't know if the difference is his own play or mine, but his actual actions seem to favor town so far.

K, I still dont follow how you got where you are

 

Well, I already laid out what reasoning I had in the reads list, but if you desire quotes and such, I can do that now. Are you still mostly referring to the Dice bit, or the Calder / Sooh thing as well?

All of the above, but it can sit til the morning once you post it.

 

 

@Darthe - Looking into Dice logic, but the read on Sooh is null and the lean/orange on my slot is explained solely in context wrt monstr which makes enough sense for now?

 

@Random - Why are you surprised Dice's venom isn't directed at you here? Have you specifically tested his reaction for that?

 

Also, you don't actually explain there why you read him Town. Ie there is no discernable reasoning til that point.

 

To answer Darthe, here's my current-game reasons for leaning town on Dice:

 

 

oh no i didnt screw up  thought id quoted monstr too

 

@monstr  dont get lost in ATE bro  stay with us.

 

 

re monstrs core  he asked people he has meta with is how i looked at it and whose responses he was happy with. It is a common thing to ask opinions of people you are trusting or who are on the same wavelength as you.

 

He gave a clear, concise defense of someone I was beginning to FOS. He didn't jump onto a train, he provided information I had asked for and needed to make a decision, and that just feels town at this point in the game. HIs comment and subsequent dealings with Zander:

 

 

@monstr   Nyce is Town. Simple.

 

Notice tho that I voted Zander and he hasnt said a WORD about it despite replying to things posted after it.

 

Combined with Zander's OMGUS vote on me after my first reads list makes me wonder if my town lean on Dice following this exchange didn't ruffle his feathers. Feeling a bit more confident on my Zander read too. 

 

For Sooh, most of her posts were before and at page 21, and looked like this:

 

 

 

@Sooh

& mustard has no calories. It sells itself. Delicious and great for the waistline. It cant be.

mmmm more mustard for me plz

 

I can't base a read off that, so I went on what I had with the other head of the hydra. 

 

For Calder, his activity ceases around the same time. Most of it is regarding sandwiches and whatnot, but that's how he started last game as well. his few game related posts didn't give me huge vibes either way, but it's an early D1 read. 

 

What troubles me is both Zander AND Darthe's snap votes on me. Sure Darthe asked questions, and him claiming he won't read is both false and perfectly in line with his play, but Zander literally said he just did it as OMGUS, which seems a bad reason when responding to an entire reads list. Zander also doesn't seem the type to just vote when town and scum hunting, he's well-spoken enough to create a case or at least an FOS

 

Vote Zander

I don't hate the logic in bold wrt Dice but I disagree/think Dice's actual response is null in isolation.

 

Went back and skimmed a page either side of first Dice quote. Not a fan of Random or Eldrick's push/votes on Monstr.

 

I have my bias but Random's tone is off and Eldrick's quick vote in the context of his unvote off me where he says he had Monstr null seems inconsistent. Probably unlikely to be wolf-wolf that close together.

 

Zander can create cases/FoS as either alignment and is probably more vocal about actual 'cases' as scum imo.

 

@Random

- Do you have a different experience with Town/Scum Zander?

 

- Why do you jump into your defence of Sooh read (which is null) without processing that Darthe mixed up Sooh and I (specific with reference to Cat gifs and the colour orange)?

 

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read. 

 

 

Is anyone else noticing the random/sock/nyce triangle of town reads on each other since I called out Eldrick's connections post?!??!?!!?

 

Ehh?

 

You need to point this out for me.

 

 

 

 

@Dice - Who you calling slow? :p

If it's not already clearly ITT, or if you're feeling generous, can you explain:

 

- your vote on Zander

- your current read on Random

- any other reads you have

 

 

 

hes off cass. his tone isnt right. he isnt approaching it in normal town zander you can see it in 3 posts way. the faact that he didnt jump out of his skin when i voted him is setting off alarm bells. especially as he jumped straight at random for voting him.

 

random   hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him  and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho  i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

 

i thought monstr was pretty towny

 

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

 

Last game started on a weekend, and we had a LOT of fluff before we got into real gameplay IMO. But fair is fair, I'll do a quick dig-in now that I'm all settled:

 

Darthe: He's matching his last game fairly consistently so far, in which he was town, so for the moment I've got a slight town lean at the moment. I prefer to go off current game content more, but with what he's posted so far, this is all I have to go on (he does notice interesting things players say however, which can be insightful)

Calder: Tough to call. I'm trying to ignore what little meta I have on Calder, because he completely fooled me last game as SK (i thought him town) However, ignoring that still gives me a town read based on current game's play, but not a strong inclination just yet. 

Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum lean

Marsh: IC. duh. (could use some input from him however)

Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

Notbob: He's been enigmatic for me. Asked some odd questions (Asking hypothetically about a Zander Vig shot?) but I haven't been feeling one way or the other quite yet. 

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

Pral: Blank

Shad: I like Shad's play so far. I'm following his logic, he's posting concise yet thoughtful content. If he's a wolf, this is some spectacular play so far, but it is still early. Probably my biggest town lean so far

Amega: Again, not much at all

Cass: I don't know enough about manbat to setup any reads for Cass, but prior to the switch i'd have leaned scum on this player. We'll see if more activity changes anything. 

Random: All - American Hero

 

 

 

Town LDO

Sock

Marsh

 

Likely town

Nyce

Random

 

Null

Manbat

 

No read on the rest yet.

 

I have liked dice's game so far. He has brought up a lot of good points and is being very engaging. Nyn is also town by way of hydra, but hasn't really proven it herself yet.

 

The way that random dealt with manbat's list just feels very towny to me.

 

I sussed manbat for his omission and how he dealt with random, but dice's explanation for why he did it makes a lot of sense. Back to null for now.

 

imo

[randomh3r0]

Good morning everyone! Did my catch-up from the night's activity. A few things I noticed during my re-cap of the night's activities:
 

 

Here for a couple of hours while pretending to work at work. 
I still have a couple of pages to catch up on, but there are some things I find really annoying. First off it's the notion that when people do something that's not within their meta it is scummy. It might be, but there are more factors that need to weigh into a read such as that. I'm worried this site is becoming way too meta heavy, and we'll run ourselves into a wall because we're not willing to open our minds and try to look at motivations for changed behavior other than different= scum. 
 
Meta is also SO EASY to rely on as scum when you're trying to get someone lynched. If that someone has been just a little different to what they normally behave like, you can just harp and harp on that until eventually people agree with you. That's not good guys!
 
I'm also really confused that people have actually tried reading me off my posts from yesterday. Yesterday by the time I went to bed the thread had barely moved out of the joke phase, and I think the only game related thing I said was that I was feeling ok about Zander's early game. I guess if your read on me is based on meta factors such as fairly high post count and light tone you can town read me off of that, but tbh I don't think any of that would have been impossible for me to say as scum, especially not early D1. 
 
I hope during the rest of D1 I can get to talk to each of you a little bit individually, because I find that I can more easily assess alignment then. Whoever's online, you're up next!

 
Sooh youre doing a lot of talking but not any Scum Hunting imo.

 

 
Exactly my feelings on you buddy, although I'd add that your actual gameplay seems mostly defensive, which still doesn't look good. I don't like tunneling so early in a game, and I'd love to find a reason to unvote you and move on to someone else, but you simply haven't done anything to ease any of my suspicions. 

[randomh3r0]

 
 

Yey! Read to here (872) \o/ ( :P NotBob, :P )

Can pull specific quotes/explain points further later if required but random mobile thoughts:

Don't think I see Nyn reacting the way she did/to that extent as Scum.

Shad commenting on Zander's general level of participation but not voting him on it (yet) is Towny imo.

Interested to see Zander's reaction and effort from here. He still feels lacklustre at present and I associate that more with Wolf Z in a team he can't get hyped about (ZANDER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) but early direct pressure isn't the way you figure him out imo.

Eldrick's comment on keys to reading Zander is spot on imo. Trying hard to be objective about points of tinfoil this game and don't actually have Eldrick leaning scum aorn. He's less slimy in feels then I recall from scum games of his. Watching Sooh.

Calder and Random's response to Eldrick's Zander comment felt off. Calder because it's the reverse of my Zander understanding, Random because how could he agree if he's never played with Zander Scum?

No idea on Darthe. Not someone I want to D1 lynch.

NotBob is the same boat.

Don't know Amega but [v]Amegakure[/v] Please come play!

Pral - there's a tonne of spam in catch up, not as horrifying as it first looks. Thoughts?

GTH aorn Zander/Amega/Calder/Random pinging most



Also lol Meow, Jelly, and Shad's unexplained read of Sooh 'not' being picked on XD

 
Bolded - I'd love to know what this is referring to so I can address it? 

[randomh3r0]

(i broke one mammoth post into three since I haven't figured out spoiler tags quite yet): 

 

 

 

@cass while I did dig into monstr a bit, you'll notice I never voted. I was simply trying to get into the small bit of gameplay actually happening.
I've only played one game with Zander, it was the recent Buffy game. Dice, Calder, marsh and darthe were there too. Zander was IC that game, so he was town the whole way. IMO he played that game entire different than he has so far.
I'm not pushing a lynch on him just yet, but I'm good with my vote for now.
As for the Sooh thing, I don't consider it jumping to defend myself when someone asks questions or points things out. What I DO and always will do, is to ensure if something's asked of or addressed to me, I'll explain myself to avoid miscommunication.
Finally, I may be a bit less experienced with Zander than yourself or others, but when he was town that game he had the highest post count by a fair margin, and almost all of it felt townie to an extent - anti scum at least. That's not been my impression of him this game yet, so I acted.

Don't hate most of this, and I appreciate your preference for communication (already noted that in the back and forth with monstr).

Fair points on Zander on the face, haven't read his ISO yet but should be able to figure it out. - Any progress on this? 

What differences do you see beyond post count IC level confidence? - Zander's being off, to me, isn't measured in post count, it's how he's playing. I've seen townZander posting reads lists and being pretty open minded while scum hunting even as early game as we are now, and I simply have not seen that. 

Where, specifically, don't you see him anti-scum? - Partially continued from above, but while he's quick to point out his PC is still high this game (I for one didn't challenge him on quantity but quality), he's contributed very little other than OMGUS votes / FOS's. I don't see that coming from town players, but am willing to accept that town Zander might do that, as some people have pointed out since my reads list / posts with him. 

I'm not sold on the answer wrt Sooh. IMO it's redirection/fluff and didn't actually answer/address the fact that you'd responded/defended without checking to see where Darthe could have been coming from. - At this point, I don't really care where Darthe is coming from to be honest. I have full confidence that he'll end up reading the pages he needs to catch up on, but until he does, nothing he says (especially if it's a blatant mistake like that) affects me at all. And regardless of his statement being wrong, my point still stands: i didn't consider that self-defense as much as I do an explanation. 

He accused you of something you didn't actually do. The mix up was fairly obvious imo.

Your first step was to defend/explain Sooh read, not to correct him/clarify what he meant/avoid miscommunication. - This is why I take the time to explain things like this, because simple miscommunications or things like this can derail an entire game. Whether he was right about that piece of info or not is completely irrelevant. What IS relevant is how I felt about the player in question at the time, right? So I made my read as clear as I could at that point. If Darthe had mixed up my reads with ANY player, I'd have done the same, to ensure that how I DO feel is clear, even if he's getting something wrong. And until he fully catches up with the thread, what he says literally doesn't matter to me. 


Ok, really gotta drive!

[Sooh]

Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

 

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

 

Discuss.

Ok, you know what. 

 

You've decided

Notbob has decided

Zander has decided

Random has decided

 

 

I don't know why I even bother. It's like I don't even exist.

[Darthe]

Every time I see that random reads list I wanna vote him.

 

Every time

[Darthe]

 

Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

 

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

 

Discuss.

Ok, you know what.

 

You've decided

Notbob has decided

Zander has decided

Random has decided

 

 

I don't know why I even bother. It's like I don't even exist.

AtE isnt a good look on you. Then again, neither is eldrick. Youve been fine imo but him? Super bad posting.

[Andrej]

For spoilers: [ spoiler ] Info [ /spoiler ]

 

Remove the spaces inside the brackets and place them at the beginning and end of whatever quote you want to hide.

[Sooh]

 

 

Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

 

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

 

Discuss.

Ok, you know what.

 

You've decided

Notbob has decided

Zander has decided

Random has decided

 

 

I don't know why I even bother. It's like I don't even exist.

AtE isnt a good look on you. Then again, neither is eldrick. Youve been fine imo but him? Super bad posting.

 

I'm sorry I actually have emotions.

 

Everybody in this game seem perfectly content with placing this hydra in scum reads, and there's not even a shadow of a thought to what I've been posting as far as I've seen. It's really demotivating in terms of sitting down and digging in. 

[Zander?]

 

 

Clarification: I'm not sussing you Zander, I've seen how you work when town, and so far this seems to be you trying to get the game going and get some reads on people. However, I absolutely will begin to suss you if you continue to show that you'll say one thing and then do a 180 on it when it suits your tunneling needs.

Uh...last game. He was IC (town). You saw him work. You even knew he was town while he did it.

 

 

This is exactly why I'm not sussing him yet. But it's a flimsy pass, because I also have been very vocal about preferring to play using info from the current game over meta - even meta established in a game I was actually in. 

 

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

 

Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum lean

 

@cass while I did dig into monstr a bit, you'll notice I never voted. I was simply trying to get into the small bit of gameplay actually happening.

 

I've only played one game with Zander, it was the recent Buffy game. Dice, Calder, marsh and darthe were there too. Zander was IC that game, so he was town the whole way. IMO he played that game entire different than he has so far.

 

I'm not pushing a lynch on him just yet, but I'm good with my vote for now.

 

As for the Sooh thing, I don't consider it jumping to defend myself when someone asks questions or points things out. What I DO and always will do, is to ensure if something's asked of or addressed to me, I'll explain myself to avoid miscommunication.

 

Finally, I may be a bit less experienced with Zander than yourself or others, but when he was town that game he had the highest post count by a fair margin, and almost all of it felt townie to an extent - anti scum at least. That's not been my impression of him this game yet, so I acted.

 

More of using the Meta when it suits your need.

[Sooh]

Zander, the fact of the matter is that you seem off. You don't seem to be having fun, and your posts seem to be almost on autopilot "this is what townZander would say". It's eerie, and it won't get you far this game. I see absolutely no wim, and I don't know why.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here for a couple of hours while pretending to work at work. 

I still have a couple of pages to catch up on, but there are some things I find really annoying. First off it's the notion that when people do something that's not within their meta it is scummy. It might be, but there are more factors that need to weigh into a read such as that. I'm worried this site is becoming way too meta heavy, and we'll run ourselves into a wall because we're not willing to open our minds and try to look at motivations for changed behavior other than different= scum. 

 

Meta is also SO EASY to rely on as scum when you're trying to get someone lynched. If that someone has been just a little different to what they normally behave like, you can just harp and harp on that until eventually people agree with you. That's not good guys!

 

I'm also really confused that people have actually tried reading me off my posts from yesterday. Yesterday by the time I went to bed the thread had barely moved out of the joke phase, and I think the only game related thing I said was that I was feeling ok about Zander's early game. I guess if your read on me is based on meta factors such as fairly high post count and light tone you can town read me off of that, but tbh I don't think any of that would have been impossible for me to say as scum, especially not early D1. 

 

 

 

I hope during the rest of D1 I can get to talk to each of you a little bit individually, because I find that I can more easily assess alignment then. Whoever's online, you're up next!

 

Sooh youre doing a lot of talking but not any Scum Hunting imo.

 

LITERALLY what I said here that I wanted to do. 

 

Or would you rather I pick some words in your posts and tell you my interpretation of them?

 

 

But youre not actually Scum hunting from what I see.

 

Let me try to put it this way it seems like youre saying stuff for the sake of saying stuff.

 

Its still early but its something Ive noticed.

 

Like youre trying to stay on the sidelines so to speak

 

Zander, let me give you the timeline of this game for me:

 

Last night after work, it was still all jokey in the thread. I participated. I gave my (loose) opinion of you possibly being towny. Then I went to bed

 

When I woke up, there were 20 pages to catch up on. 

In the interest of making the thread readable for the rest of the people playing I decided not to pick on individual posts, but rather get a general feel for people this game. 

 

Then I sat down at work, for three hours, while doing other work-related things, camping in the thread, hoping for people to interact. Nobody was here. I had to go back and teach two more lessons and then went to the chiropractor for my back.

 

I haven't had time to scum hunt yet, Zander. 

Unfortunately my schedule doesn't allow for me to be here at all times, and unfortunately the times I'm not here seems to be the busiest. I'm doing my best with the time I have currently. Now will you let go of "but Sooh doesn't seem to be scum hunting", so I can actually have time to do that instead of having to explain to you why that hasn't been possible yet?

 

lmk

 

 

Sooh again why post this instead of Scum Hunting if this is the time you can allot?

 

Thats my issue.

[Zander?]

Zander, the fact of the matter is that you seem off. You don't seem to be having fun, and your posts seem to be almost on autopilot "this is what townZander would say". It's eerie, and it won't get you far this game. I see absolutely no wim, and I don't know why.

 

RL

[randomh3r0]

Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

 

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

 

Discuss.

 

Can we assume this declaration came with a full read-through of the game thread? 

 

If eldrick flips scum, I'd be very curious how you knew this. Bus, or instinct? 

 

 

 

Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

 

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

 

Discuss.

Ok, you know what. 

 

You've decided

Notbob has decided

Zander has decided

Random has decided

 

 

I don't know why I even bother. It's like I don't even exist.

 

 

I haven't decided anything, and my vote still stands on Zander at the moment. Keep playing Sooh, help us scumhunt!

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here for a couple of hours while pretending to work at work. 

I still have a couple of pages to catch up on, but there are some things I find really annoying. First off it's the notion that when people do something that's not within their meta it is scummy. It might be, but there are more factors that need to weigh into a read such as that. I'm worried this site is becoming way too meta heavy, and we'll run ourselves into a wall because we're not willing to open our minds and try to look at motivations for changed behavior other than different= scum. 

 

Meta is also SO EASY to rely on as scum when you're trying to get someone lynched. If that someone has been just a little different to what they normally behave like, you can just harp and harp on that until eventually people agree with you. That's not good guys!

 

I'm also really confused that people have actually tried reading me off my posts from yesterday. Yesterday by the time I went to bed the thread had barely moved out of the joke phase, and I think the only game related thing I said was that I was feeling ok about Zander's early game. I guess if your read on me is based on meta factors such as fairly high post count and light tone you can town read me off of that, but tbh I don't think any of that would have been impossible for me to say as scum, especially not early D1. 

 

 

 

I hope during the rest of D1 I can get to talk to each of you a little bit individually, because I find that I can more easily assess alignment then. Whoever's online, you're up next!

 

Sooh youre doing a lot of talking but not any Scum Hunting imo.

 

LITERALLY what I said here that I wanted to do. 

 

Or would you rather I pick some words in your posts and tell you my interpretation of them?

 

 

But youre not actually Scum hunting from what I see.

 

Let me try to put it this way it seems like youre saying stuff for the sake of saying stuff.

 

Its still early but its something Ive noticed.

 

Like youre trying to stay on the sidelines so to speak

 

Zander, let me give you the timeline of this game for me:

 

Last night after work, it was still all jokey in the thread. I participated. I gave my (loose) opinion of you possibly being towny. Then I went to bed

 

When I woke up, there were 20 pages to catch up on. 

In the interest of making the thread readable for the rest of the people playing I decided not to pick on individual posts, but rather get a general feel for people this game. 

 

Then I sat down at work, for three hours, while doing other work-related things, camping in the thread, hoping for people to interact. Nobody was here. I had to go back and teach two more lessons and then went to the chiropractor for my back.

 

I haven't had time to scum hunt yet, Zander. 

Unfortunately my schedule doesn't allow for me to be here at all times, and unfortunately the times I'm not here seems to be the busiest. I'm doing my best with the time I have currently.

 

Now will you let go of "but Sooh doesn't seem to be scum hunting", so I can actually have time to do that instead of having to explain to you why that hasn't been possible yet?

 

lmk

 

 

Sooh again why post this instead of Scum Hunting if this is the time you can allot?

 

Thats my issue.

 

I guess the answer is no. 

 

What do you expect me to do? Not respond to your question?

 

Your REPEATED question?

[Zander?]

STOP RESPONDING TO ME AND SCUM HUNT THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Sooh]

 

Zander, the fact of the matter is that you seem off. You don't seem to be having fun, and your posts seem to be almost on autopilot "this is what townZander would say". It's eerie, and it won't get you far this game. I see absolutely no wim, and I don't know why.

 

RL

 

Going to make it hard to read you, dude. Really hard.

 

I'm sorry that there's obviously something going on in your real life that I don't know about, it's just hard to take that into consideration. 

[randomh3r0]

Every time I see that random reads list I wanna vote him.

 

Every time

 

You already did. 

[Sooh]

STOP RESPONDING TO ME AND SCUM HUNT THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

There's absolutely no reason to yell.

 

I will stop responding to you.

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander, the fact of the matter is that you seem off. You don't seem to be having fun, and your posts seem to be almost on autopilot "this is what townZander would say". It's eerie, and it won't get you far this game. I see absolutely no wim, and I don't know why.

 

RL

 

Going to make it hard to read you, dude. Really hard.

 

I'm sorry that there's obviously something going on in your real life that I don't know about, it's just hard to take that into consideration. 

 

 

Then dont.

 

You brought it up I answered.

 

Judge me on the game itself.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Wow I got a lot of questions last night after bed time.

 

So, ima try and touch on a few of those but in the mean time I formally declare that eldrick is gonna flip wolf this game.

 

Discuss.

Ok, you know what.

 

You've decided

Notbob has decided

Zander has decided

Random has decided

 

 

I don't know why I even bother. It's like I don't even exist.

AtE isnt a good look on you. Then again, neither is eldrick. Youve been fine imo but him? Super bad posting.

I'm sorry I actually have emotions.

 

Everybody in this game seem perfectly content with placing this hydra in scum reads, and there's not even a shadow of a thought to what I've been posting as far as I've seen. It's really demotivating in terms of sitting down and digging in.

Okay, then show me. Atm I dont think much is gonna get past eldricks posting but youve a chance.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Zander, the fact of the matter is that you seem off. You don't seem to be having fun, and your posts seem to be almost on autopilot "this is what townZander would say". It's eerie, and it won't get you far this game. I see absolutely no wim, and I don't know why.

RL

Going to make it hard to read you, dude. Really hard.

 

I'm sorry that there's obviously something going on in your real life that I don't know about, it's just hard to take that into consideration.

Then dont.

 

You brought it up I answered.

 

Judge me on the game itself.

Oh are we doing this now? How do I know it isnt a ploy?

[Sooh]

I don't know who this soulless Zander is, and it's making me sad.