Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Eldrick4221]

The only one of you 3 that I have any confidence in being town is Pral.

 

Bfg cased and pushed for Pral for most of the game (after she subbed in). The amount of effort she put into doing that just doesn't feel like something someone would do to a teammate.

 

Between dice and Darthe, I really have no idea.

 

Dice reasoning also falls in with what bfg did. I've mentioned it a few times. Her trying to clear him because of his reads list. Now we know that he didn't have both his teammates as town reads, because one of the scum was bfg herself. She was trying to clear him with misinformation.

 

Problem with this is while it leans my thinking to dice being scum, I can also see how it could be pocketing.

 

Darthe has been someone I have had trouble town reading. There were a couple reasons recently, but I realized they weren't good reasons to Town read him and he was back into the poe.

 

The fact that he took a couple of my posts out of context to make them sound like tmi is still really bugging me. Town tunneling and seeing every post as scummy is one thing, but this is more than that, I think.

 

Town to scum

Pral>Dice>Darthe

[Eldrick4221]

Time to go see my nephew!!!!!

[Darthe]

The only one of you 3 that I have any confidence in being town is Pral.

 

Bfg cased and pushed for Pral for most of the game (after she subbed in). The amount of effort she put into doing that just doesn't feel like something someone would do to a teammate.

 

Between dice and Darthe, I really have no idea.

 

Dice reasoning also falls in with what bfg did. I've mentioned it a few times. Her trying to clear him because of his reads list. Now we know that he didn't have both his teammates as town reads, because one of the scum was bfg herself. She was trying to clear him with misinformation.

 

Problem with this is while it leans my thinking to dice being scum, I can also see how it could be pocketing.

 

Darthe has been someone I have had trouble town reading. There were a couple reasons recently, but I realized they weren't good reasons to Town read him and he was back into the poe.

 

The fact that he took a couple of my posts out of context to make them sound like tmi is still really bugging me. Town tunneling and seeing every post as scummy is one thing, but this is more than that, I think.

 

Town to scum

Pral>Dice>Darthe

So you townread me, decided those werent gokd reasons for a read, I caught a wolf, and youre back to wolfreading me now for the old reasons. Also, you're not on the same page as your other half still.

 

Do I have that about right?

[Eldrick4221]

How is having a different viewpoint than Sooh even an issue?

 

It's the same as us being Masons, but we share a vote.

 

Expecting us to agree on everything is unrealistic.

[Eldrick4221]

Also the wolfreading you isn't an old reason. The first time you misrepped me, I felt like the thought behind it was towny. When you did it again, I realized you are probably doing it on purpose.

[Darthe]

I'm going back to EoD and quoting eldrick posts that seem relevant.  Not gonna analyze them all but some I will

 

Sooh was talking about how she doesn't think pral is scum. How he has made a lot of sense recently.

I haven't really had a strong reason to think he's scum this game. There was the time I thought it was shad/cass/pral, but he hasn't really been scummy by his own merit.

He just ended up as 'probably Scum by PoE' several times, so I tried to see who made sense for him to be scum with.

A while back he said something along the lines of "we are just looking for a reason to justify our read" and man did that ring true.

Pral is probably town.

Quoting this for posterity and because it's the first game relevant post Eldrick really makes when he comes back.  TBF, I don't think it's a bad read.

 

I'm also at the point that even if we are right today, that darthe will make us lose the game by voting me tomorrow.

Unless he's scum and there isn't a scum to vote with him at f4.

This on the other hand is fearmongering

 

I really really really don't know who it is right now. There is way to many "this kinda makes sense"

Sooh wanted bfg. My reason for thinking it wasn't bfg was weak. I'm going there, for better or worse.

[V]bfg [/v]

Quoting this out of order with the next one, cause they don't make sense together.  Also, that first line is utterly aids "omg im soo confused guys", but that's not what I wanna get to.  These are 3 minutes apart, and it's a heavy heavy problem with eldrick and sock.  Eldrick votes bfg and bothers to give his own explanation (the bold) beyond that sooh said so, and just before he was advocating BFG's lynch.. Maybe I'm overthinking this though since he was defending Laya just earlier.  

 

Zander, why pral over bfg?

 

 

I'm gonna laugh if bfg, Pral and 1 are all town and scum is leaving it alone.

yeah...

 

It wasn't an accusation. I was saying that it's not that you are scum.

Did anyone ever understand this whole convo?  I did not.

 

Not really giving me a reason to think my vote was wrong.

Could be nothing, but I'm quoting it.

[Eldrick4221]

And you act like you're the only one that caught a wolf. Pral and I got her too.

 

When you didn't immediately vote, and instead discussed it first, I said it was a good sign because if she ended up being town, then you not jumping on was a sign that it wasn't 2 townies on a Town train, followed by scum finishing it off.

 

Being she flipped scum, that reason goes out the window. You waiting to vote her is null.

[Darthe]

If bfg is town, we already lost

 

 

 

If bfg is town, we already lost

Unless it's pral and darthe

 

 

 

 

 

 

If bfg is town, we already lost

Unless it's pral and darthe

wed still lose right?!!?!?!?!?.....!?!?!?!?!?!!?

Not if you and dice vote pral

 

 

 

Then it's rand

 

 

These three posts come right before Dice hammers.  I think this seals it beyond any reasonable doubt, but I'm still gonna wait to get final input from you two.  

[Eldrick4221]

It wasn't an accusation. I was saying that it's not that you are scum.

Did anyone ever understand this whole convo? I did not.

 

This convo is another example of you taking what I said and acting like it was something else, but I can chalk it up to bad wording on my part.

 

As I just explained, your reaction to the train and not voting made me think that if bfg was town, you probably were too.

 

Which is what I tried to say in the post that prompted this convo. I bolded the "not" in my post irt Zander questioning it.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

It wasn't an accusation. I was saying that it's not that you are scum.

Did anyone ever understand this whole convo? I did not.

This convo is another example of you taking what I said and acting like it was something else, but I can chalk it up to bad wording on my part.

 

As I just explained, your reaction to the train and not voting made me think that if bfg was town, you probably were too.

 

Which is what I tried to say in the post that prompted this convo. I bolded the "not" in my post irt Zander questioning it.

Attempt to fix broken quote.

[Darthe]

How is having a different viewpoint than Sooh even an issue?

 

It's the same as us being Masons, but we share a vote.

 

Expecting us to agree on everything is unrealistic.

It's actually a huge difference, for game purposes, since you're one slot and not two.  We can't test you against each other and you are counting for one whole who share a QT.  You both have sustained having different opinions and have deferred to whichever one suited you at any time.  That's not good anymore.

 

Also the wolfreading you isn't an old reason. The first time you misrepped me, I felt like the thought behind it was towny. When you did it again, I realized you are probably doing it on purpose.

I've not had to force a thing, you really have been that inconsistent and wolfy.  

 

And you act like you're the only one that caught a wolf. Pral and I got her too.

 

When you didn't immediately vote, and instead discussed it first, I said it was a good sign because if she ended up being town, then you not jumping on was a sign that it wasn't 2 townies on a Town train, followed by scum finishing it off.

 

Being she flipped scum, that reason goes out the window. You waiting to vote her is null.

Every living player voted her.  Not every living player whipped votes on her, pushed her and questioned her all day, and then struggled with what to do.  You literally were giving me town credit for my vote timing yesterday at EoD before the flip, and now that she flipped wolf you're saying it was null??

[Darthe]

 

 

 

It wasn't an accusation. I was saying that it's not that you are scum.

Did anyone ever understand this whole convo? I did not.

This convo is another example of you taking what I said and acting like it was something else, but I can chalk it up to bad wording on my part.

 

As I just explained, your reaction to the train and not voting made me think that if bfg was town, you probably were too.

 

Which is what I tried to say in the post that prompted this convo. I bolded the "not" in my post irt Zander questioning it.

Attempt to fix broken quote.

 

Post game, whatever your alignment, we have got to talk about you speaking clearly.  I still have 0 clue what you've been trying to say or how you got there on this whole point.  

[Darthe]

Bed time!  Feel free to respond, I'll be sure to reply back tomorrow.

 

RN I'm at 

 

Laya

 

 

Dice

 

 

 

 

 

Sock

[Eldrick4221]

You literally were giving me town credit for my vote timing yesterday at EoD before the flip, and now that she flipped wolf you're saying it was null??

The town credit was literally only if she flipped town because you held off.

 

Being she flipped scum, the reason for the town credit is null.

[Eldrick4221]

Post game, whatever your alignment, we have got to talk about you speaking clearly. I still have 0 clue what you've been trying to say or how you got there on this whole point.

Gladly :)

[Eldrick4221]

There it is.  If those three are all town then this game is over. 

After I voted.

Bfg (2): Pral, sock

 

 

It's a good sign that you aren't jumping on tbh.

 

One of bfg/pral/Darthe is scum.

 

If we are all 3 town, Darthe would have just voted.

This is with the viewpoint of us being wrong, bfg being town, and all scum had to do was hammer and win. That didn't happen, so either bfg was scum, or Darthe was town.

 

 

 

 

One of bfg/pral/Darthe is scum.

 

If we are all 3 town, Darthe would have just voted.

Assuming that you're town, that is.

Darthe's response for context.

 

 

Yes, but the fact that you pointed it out instead of just voting says to me it's not that we are all town and you are scum.

My response. The response that has produced the confusion. The word "not" is the integral part of the post.

 

Because he didn't just vote, the setup is NOT that we are all 3 town and Darthe is scum. Because he didn't vote right away, if bfg was town, Darthe probably was too.

[Eldrick4221]

Now. Since we know this isn't the case. That bfg was scum, how does Darthe deciding to talk about it instead of vote look?

 

Does it look like someone that wants to bus, but needs to build up to it first?

[Eldrick4221]

And to reiterate, the town cred for not voting right away was only if she was town, as I clearly stated when I said it.

 

Misrep #3.

[Eldrick4221]

Wtv

1. Darthe

2. No lynch

[Eldrick4221]

 

If bfg is town, we already lost

 

If bfg is town, we already lost

Unless it's pral and darthe

 

 

 

If bfg is town, we already lost

Unless it's pral and darthe

wed still lose right?!!?!?!?!?.....!?!?!?!?!?!!?

Not if you and dice vote pral

Then it's rand

 

These three posts come right before Dice hammers. I think this seals it beyond any reasonable doubt, but I'm still gonna wait to get final input from you two.

I'd LOVE to see how you're gonna try and turn this against me.

[Eldrick4221]

Quoted my "if bfg is town, we already lost" post.

 

Then my explanation on how we could salvage from a loss if she was.

 

And THAT is scummy exactly how?

[Andrej]

Vote Count 5.01

 

Not voting: Darthe, Dice, Sock, Pralaya

 

3 to lynch

 

DL in 24 hours.

[Eldrick4221]

Heads up. I will be unavailable for DL. I work at 6 tomorrow, which is 4 hours before DL.

[dicetosser1]

How is having a different viewpoint than Sooh even an issue?

 

It's the same as us being Masons, but we share a vote.

 

Expecting us to agree on everything is unrealistic.

 

wrong. You have a QT to thrash out your thoughts. Being at different reads on one maybe two people? acceptable. But you two have literally been at opposites on almost every single thing in the game. Do you not talk in ure QT? or is the thread ure QT??  Cause at times that seems like what it is.

And you act like you're the only one that caught a wolf. Pral and I got her too.

 

When you didn't immediately vote, and instead discussed it first, I said it was a good sign because if she ended up being town, then you not jumping on was a sign that it wasn't 2 townies on a Town train, followed by scum finishing it off.

 

Being she flipped scum, that reason goes out the window. You waiting to vote her is null.

 

Technicall all of us got her so thats not saying much

[Sooh]

 

 

Darthe Has been sane which is scary. Has sat on SOCK ALL game. Hasnt really been lookign elsewhere.While some think thats scummy its not something i see scum darthe doing. Also he posted a "i dont want a repeat of last game" that rang true to me. Wont be voting here. If I lose because of it so be it but thats where i am.

 

Pral my problem with Pral is twofold one is activity. I know hes been here. I know hes been after bfg and been weird on zander but i feel like hes been mia. its weird. and i cant discount that he bussed BFG tho her vote could be to try and get him townie points.

 

Sock just plain contradictory. i gave sooh a town ready for tone but since then there was a period where it seemed every second post from her was poking at me for no real reasons. not seeing when i did reply to things and bringing it up again asking if its replied to. then theres the fact that her and eldrick cant seem to agree on what month it is let alone any reads. Yet theyve somehow both managed to be sus on me.

 

Sock is where i will probably vote as of right now

Bold: Why is the word THOUGH in there? If it wasn't bussing, why would he be trying to get townie points?

Its things like this that I find wolfiest from you. All these little snipey questions, just like you did with me yesterday.

 

What's snipey about it? it's a question about a sentence that doesn't make sense.