Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Andrej]

Vote Count 3.09

 

Cass (2) - Zander, Sock

Sock (1) - Darthe

BFG (1) - Pral

Pral (2) - BFG, Dice

 

Not voting: Marsh, Cass

 

5 to lynch

 

DL in 1.5 hours.

[Eldrick4221]

Someone (cass?) asked about sock's read on Darthe. I jumped on him for his entrance. Got talked out of it for Darthe being Darthe. Back to null. Never been above null all game, but never something suspicious to make me want to vote him over scum reads.

[Darthe]

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

In what world is that a slip?

 

Last game. You vote dice. Verb and leelou pile on. They win.

 

This game. You vote us. Scum pile on. They win.

 

I see it happening.

Omg he did it twice.

 

Youre admitting here thqt you know im town. You're excluding me as seperate from the category defined as wolves. This is so clear!

[Darthe]

 

 

*Headdesk a thousand times for DM formatting*

 

 

Trying to go through and MQ things standing out in batches so you can see where thoughts are coming from exactly, but it keeps dropping stuff as I go, or changing poster names etc.

 

Eldrick and Sooh are working with lots of people which seems good, but everything they suggest seems/feels bad.

 

Darthe's push on Sock is Towny unless the two of them keep finding ways to avoid voting each other.

 

Somebody tell me what Sock's early read of Darthe was pls?

 

Dice does feel like the gif Sooh posted to me a bit, but BFG says that meta's old and the way Sooh posted it, and suggestions of Zander and I as possible WW seem off. I feel like Eldrick and Sooh are just trying to line up all the mislynches they can.

 

Darthe's commentary wrt me is logical but I find it null for his alignment. There are some interactions with BFG particularly I think look like TownDarthetryingtofigureoutBFG pushes. His pushes on Sock match my reads. His sarcasm and some comments make me concerned it's fake across the board and he's pulling strings. This is probably not alignment indicative. He's pushing every which way for reactions.

 

Pral's explanation of his read of me matches the cold logic I imagine he uses generally, and he seems focused simply on that and voting/providing examples of why BFG is scum and that's probably a good thing if you follow CCSoHW theory. Tbqf I also had the same impression of BFG wrt Zander when I looked at her ISO the other day.

 

Zander is trending the line of his scum/Town meta but is probably Town with blinkers on, some of the very recent stuff that shows he's wavering on me at the end of a tunnel is a good look for him.

 

Zander made a really big deal about my early pressure on Amega to come and play, and then him and BFG reading each other the way they have makes me think there's a world where they're possibly WW.

 

BFG's stances on me are worrisome because they seem very fixed? on the idea that I'm scum but she is getting really involved.

Did Zander interact much or pounce on BFG to figure her out at all?

 

 

 

I still think it's Cass and pral. Won't be able to shake that unless one of them flips to disprove it.

 

Wtv either. Will be around for DL, but won't be too active cuz work comes first.

 

Red- Darthe's been voting Sock for awhile now so....?!???!

 

Also can you do like an actually reads list like so i can see the order and who youre WTL

This, I've been there for forever and I'm going to be pretty salty if this doesn't happen tbh. At this point there is no excuse

[Cass]

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

In what world is that a slip?

 

Last game. You vote dice. Verb and leelou pile on. They win.

 

This game. You vote us. Scum pile on. They win.

 

I see it happening.

Omg he did it twice.

 

Youre admitting here thqt you know im town. You're excluding me as seperate from the category defined as wolves. This is so clear!

 

 

This would be a lot easier to figure out if someone filled in what alignment everyone was in that game

[Zander?]

 

Pral ISO

 

 

 

Struggling with the pace of the game early on is null in a game this size

 

Manbat, Nyn, Zander townie early. Eldrick twtbaw. NB, Darthe, Dice null/normal for D1. Shad is odd "just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff..." - nothing stands out as stuff he wouldn't say, Shad read looks good

 

Says he'll case Shad if [Prals] alive once caught up

 

(start Day 2) Thinks Calder looked town following stance on NB EoD1, thinks Shad looked scummy. Wants to look at Darthe/Zander

 

 

If youre Town were gonna have a talk post game about what bad Town is.

 

Youve got what like 2 votes on you like 8 hours before DL!?!?!?!?

 

No I dont believe that Town!Anyone really does this but to further my suss please notice the BOLD:

 

Why would you ever assume youd be alive D2?!?!?!!?

This outburst was what made me suspect Zander in the first place. yeah, random claiming early in D1 was not a good play. It could have been entirely avoided. But, the kind of outburst coming from you looks fake. Look at the reaction from Calder, sooh - it was more of surprise than anger. Anger is something that can easily be faked by scum to show that they are townie and I felt that was what was happening here

If you had him as town previously why would you read this and assume that it's faked to look town instead of just town?

 

 

 

In fact, you harping on the entire "Pral likes to bus" narrative just confirms my read that you are scum. The town Zander I know would mention it but not make a whole case on that. You have been saying that right from D1 when I called out Shad as scum. And, this was around the point when random claimed and you were looking for an alternative. That was the scond reason why I started suspecting you.

 

(As an aside, Sooh would know - I do tend to bus as scum but I am more careful as scum when people who know that are around. Like in the PoTC game, I was not busing until Zander was dead. I even explicitly told it to Sooh who was my scummate there)

And this reads a lot like what you're saying above, start with an assumption and then fit the facts, yet Zander makes connections as standard, why is this scummy of him now when you didn't have an issue with his Sock/Random/Nyce read?

 

Accuses Zander of having half the thread as suspects, yet today seemingly has half the thread as suspects (assuming Cass is a suspect, since you haven't answered otherwise)

 

Zander nudges

 

Thinks Zander > Amega > Darthe - why Amega? Darthe just POE, yet earlier was one of his two most likely suspects, find it odd that his read on Zander went from town to mafia, when Zander became more town with the game

 

Explains Cass read (to multiple people) doesn't think Cass would press the cop if mafia, doesn't think Manbat would react that way if mafia

 

 

Caught up long ago, but no updated list (till asked) - prodding Zander as suspect so not necessarily bothered by the delay

 

Most recent list seems to have Darthe/Sooh as town, Cass or Zander, one of me/Zander/Dice? Still not sure who his suspected team is other than me

 

Talks about trains - null

 

 

 

Why was Darthe one of your two suspects with Zander when later on you say you don't remember much from him and he's just there because POE. Why was Amega scummy and not just POE, why missing from your previous list?

 

 

TLDR I don't follow his read on Zander, I don't understand his changing read on Darthe, or his read on Amega. As hydra I could follow him pretty easily last game, and am a little concerned this isn't the case now. Don't think this is just OMGUS

 

Pral

As I clearly said in that post, Darthe was due to poor PIE and I had yet to read him in detail. Later, after I ISO'd him, I got him as town.

 

Amega was in the list because he had no posts at all. Seriously?

 

 

PIE????

[Zander?]

 

 

His read on Monstr was a really early one, and an easy one too. It's null

 

OK

 

Heres the thing, Shad gave 3 easy Town reds iirc, Sock/MonCass/Dice(?) i think was the last tho I may be wrong.

 

I dont think he just does that with ONLY Townies imo.

 

 

WHY CAN'T IT BE SOCK?

 

I do NOT understand how we have such conflicted reads on them Z.

 

 

I never said it couldnt be Sock Cass!!!!

 

Based on my rads it just makes me think its you.

 

Were prolly conflicted because Im Town and youre not on my team

[Zander?]

Also still waiting for an example that she is assuming Zander is town. I couldn't find one.

 

Cass?!?!?!!?!?

[Cass]

Town Zander would be jumping ALL over Sock if that's a slip.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

In what world is that a slip?

 

Last game. You vote dice. Verb and leelou pile on. They win.

 

This game. You vote us. Scum pile on. They win.

 

I see it happening.

Omg he did it twice.

 

Youre admitting here thqt you know im town. You're excluding me as seperate from the category defined as wolves. This is so clear!

This would be a lot easier to figure out if someone filled in what alignment everyone was in that game

That is utterly irellevant but dice and I were both town.

[Zander?]

Im back, Dr Strange was lrgit and we are going for a late dinner!

 

It was pretty solid eh?!?!?!

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

 

 

ummmm what?!?!?!?!

 

This may well be a reach folks.

[Cass]

Eldrick / Zander

 

 

Thoughts Darthe?

[Darthe]

Town Zander would be jumping ALL over Sock if that's a slip.

The last game DOESNT MATTER. HE SAID DARTHE ***AND THE WOLVES***

 

HE KNOWS IM NOT A WOLF AND HE SAYS IT TWICE

[Darthe]

Town Zander would be jumping ALL over Sock if that's a slip.

The last game DOESNT MATTER. HE SAID DARTHE ***AND THE WOLVES***

 

HE KNOWS IM NOT A WOLF AND HE SAYS IT TWICE

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

In what world is that a slip?

 

Last game. You vote dice. Verb and leelou pile on. They win.

 

This game. You vote us. Scum pile on. They win.

 

I see it happening.

Omg he did it twice.

 

Youre admitting here thqt you know im town. You're excluding me as seperate from the category defined as wolves. This is so clear!

Yes. Comparing you to last game and saying it doesn't happen again does assume you are town.

 

What I don't want to happen is town!Darthe voting me and scum winning because of it.

 

The context "I see a world where" is a world where you are town. You're right that I am ignoring the part where you could be scum, but it's not the world that worries me. The town!Darthe quick to vote at f5 and cost the game does.

[Darthe]

Town Zander would be jumping ALL over Sock if that's a slip.

The last game DOESNT MATTER. HE SAID DARTHE ***AND THE WOLVES***

 

HE KNOWS IM NOT A WOLF AND HE SAYS IT TWICE

[Darthe]

Town Zander would be jumping ALL over Sock if that's a slip.

The last game DOESNT MATTER. HE SAID DARTHE ***AND THE WOLVES***

 

HE KNOWS IM NOT A WOLF AND HE SAYS IT TWICE

[Cass]

Somebody help.

 

There's a post back a bit where Darthe and Eldrick are talking whether or not Eldrick would vote Darthe.

 

Eldrick makes what I think is a similiar slip.

 

He counts Darthe out of something that should've made Darthe scum in his eyes.

 

Then he comes back and corrects it in a later post. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

Also still waiting for an example that she is assuming Zander is town. I couldn't find one.

Cass?!?!?!!?!?

To Pral. About bfg. Context in post right before this :P

[Eldrick4221]

Darthe. Cloudflare=wait

[Darthe]

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

In what world is that a slip?

 

Last game. You vote dice. Verb and leelou pile on. They win.

 

This game. ***You vote us. Scum pile on.*** They win.

 

I see it happening.

He does not correct it like cass say, he does the opposite. He doubles down and makes it worse.

 

[V] sock [/v]

[Darthe]

Darthe. Cloudflare=wait

I had that issue too, but gl explaining this away.

 

Lol in b4 people excuse it as "eldrick is just wolfy" again

[Darthe]

Im never changing my vote til that slot dies. You guys can pick between us at lylo if it has to get that far.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

We are low on his list.

 

Do you dispute the reasoning that there is probably a scum in the people shad gave confident town reads to?

 

Who would you consider if you knew we were town?

 

Yes I dispute the reasoning. I find Zander sticking to it weird. I wouldn't restrict the WTL according to that and I'd consider anyone strongly sticking to it to be a possibility for his partner. I say this cos I feel like it's something you'd use as scum down the track 'Cass said stick to this...' . FTR I don't think Dice picks on wording so much as actual game play inconsistencies or lies so /shrug

 

Gut says Pral/BFG     Zander    Darthe as deepwolf

 

And this with a disclaimer that I haven't read Dice or way too much of the thread. He feels less firey but I don't know why.

 

 

 

*Headdesk a thousand times for DM formatting* 

 

 

Trying to go through and MQ things standing out in batches so you can see where thoughts are coming from exactly, but it keeps dropping stuff as I go, or changing poster names etc.

 

Eldrick and Sooh are working with lots of people which seems good, but everything they suggest seems/feels bad. 

 

Darthe's push on Sock is Towny unless the two of them keep finding ways to avoid voting each other.

 

Somebody tell me what Sock's early read of Darthe was pls?

 

Dice does feel like the gif Sooh posted to me a bit, but BFG says that meta's old and the way Sooh posted it, and suggestions of Zander and I as possible WW seem off. I feel like Eldrick and Sooh are just trying to line up all the mislynches they can.

 

Darthe's commentary wrt me is logical but I find it null for his alignment. There are some interactions with BFG particularly I think look like TownDarthetryingtofigureoutBFG pushes. His pushes on Sock match my reads. His sarcasm and some comments make me concerned it's fake across the board and he's pulling strings. This is probably not alignment indicative. He's pushing every which way for reactions. 

 

Pral's explanation of his read of me matches the cold logic I imagine he uses generally, and he seems focused simply on that and voting/providing examples of why BFG is scum and that's probably a good thing if you follow CCSoHW theory. Tbqf I also had the same impression of BFG wrt Zander when I looked at her ISO the other day.

 

Zander is trending the line of his scum/Town meta but is probably Town with blinkers on, some of the very recent stuff that shows he's wavering on me at the end of a tunnel is a good look for him. 

 

Zander made a really big deal about my early pressure on Amega to come and play, and then him and BFG reading each other the way they have makes me think there's a world where they're possibly WW.

 

BFG's stances on me are worrisome because they seem very fixed? on the idea that I'm scum but she is getting really involved.

Did Zander interact much or pounce on BFG to figure her out at all?

 

 

 

I still think it's Cass and pral. Won't be able to shake that unless one of them flips to disprove it.

 

Wtv either. Will be around for DL, but won't be too active cuz work comes first.

 

 

 

Red- Darthe's been voting Sock for awhile now so....?!???!

 

Also can you do like an actually reads list like so i can see the order and who youre WTL

 

 

 

I told you my head was messed up. There was a post back a bit where Darthe pointed towards Pral because people seemed reluctant to vote Sock? Felt like him pulling strings. And I got the impression Eldrick and him were doing a weird dance.

 

I don't like that so many people were quiet besides Sock here when them and I are most likely for lynch. DADV? People staying off are sus. People who stuck to me so hard are sus. 

 

I'm staying off them for a combination of this and the fact I'm contributing less.

 

GLGL Town <3

 

 

You find ME sticking to my reads strange!?!?!?!!?!?

 

Green will be interesting if she flips Scum imo.

[Eldrick4221]

Wow. Just wow. Ignore the fact that the context is hypothetical.

 

"I see a world where" means that in the situation you would be town.

 

You said it was a slip and I didn't understand why, so I clarified.

 

I never said that you are town. I was talking about a situation that would come up if you were and we got to f5, as a reason not to to no lynch at f6.