Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Eldrick4221]

I dont know how Shad has this kind of knowledge of Eld's brain.

 

Eld does some pretty crazy stuff so I dunno how confident Shad could be here.

I don't know how he does it either, but he does. He has explained in past games several times how he is able to understand me. He somehow can. He knows when I'm town and can easily catch me as scum. Because of this, I expect him to be able to read me.

[Zander?]

 

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?

Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

 

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

 

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

 

 

ANYONE SEE SOOH'S LAST READS LIST?!?!!?!?!?!

 

 

 

ok lmk when youre caught up

 

start being villagery

 

really wanna hear your take on Sooh/Eld

 

*blink*

 

 

 

lolololololololol

 

 

@Shad - where are you getting your Sooh meta from?

I'm not sure I even understand this question but I've played/spectated quite a few games with her. I've struggled to read her more in some games than others but I've never been dead wrong.

 

 

I dunno Im thinking I may wanna test this....

 

 

 

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read.

 

Is anyone else noticing the random/sock/nyce triangle of town reads on each other since I called out Eldrick's connections post?!??!?!!?

 

Likely town

Nyce

Random

random hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

 

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

 

They're all trending positively on one another to some degree, but I'm not sure what you're getting at with red unless you think scum!Eldrick kicked off the game by informing us that if scum!Nyce is a wolf then scum!Random is too. 

 

The only thing that really sticks out here to me is Random calling Dice town while saying mostly negative things about him, which doesn't say anything about Dice's alignment but leaves me wondering about Random a bit.

 

@Random can you/did you explain this town vibe?

 

 

Ya this pretty much confirms to me theres a Wolf in Sock/Dice/Cass

 

The only person he really takes issue here is the guy who is like almost confirmed Town Cop.

 

He's not gonna remove like a quarter of the starting roster from being able to be pushed as ml's imo

[Eldrick4221]

You talked before about Pral bussing early. Sooh mentioned it to (not sure if it was here or to me)

 

How well does he snap read as town?

[Eldrick4221]

Too*

[Eldrick4221]

IIRC he's someone that has good d1 reads.

[Zander?]

 

Btw, Monstr last night was almost verbatum of his last scum game on Mafia Universe, even down to him being worried about me pocketing him.

Curious for a link on that.

 

Also Cass has been generally villagery so far. Doing pretty much everything I expect town!Cass to, can't hate it.

 

 

Again another easy Meta read like his one on Sock

 

 

 

I would really like to see a full reads list with reasoning.

 

Youve been posting but Im not feeling it from you yet.

 

No genuine frustration or confusion, Im not seeing those really strong questions/probes/comments yet that me go WOW never thought o fit like that.

 

And its a little worrisome.

I haven't been frustrated because I'm controlling my play time better and people aren't grilling me for stupid reasons. It's quite refreshing actually.

 

Cass is fine Dice is probably fine you've looked a lot better than you did in the first 24 hours. Darthe's apathetic which is annoying but typical for his town game. NotBob's been a lot more active than his last wolf game.

 

I stand by Sooh's tone being villagery but it's a lot harder for me to read her when she's being defensive and I hope to see scum hunting in the posts I've yet to read.

 

amega and Pral don't exist.

 

Felt like Random has been misrepping things and I'm curious how Calder responded to my question irt his Eldrick/Sooh reads.

 

Need to focus on reading more talking less.

 

 

Id like people's thoughts on this post.

 

 

 

 

 

Zander has looked fine despite his lower than usual posts. Typical as an early Zander game.

This is pretty huh? too.

 

 

 

Ironically the only thing I like about that list is that he's scum reading me. Town!Pral pretty much always does.

 

And I think I've called him out on it enough that he should be aware of it.

 

 

 

You got to be kidding me. 42 pages in one day???

 

I doubt i will be able to catch up well this game

Maybe have to ignore Eldrick and read the game ! Don't care what alignment he is, I will let others read him ... too many posts

 

Usually I find that Pral has a lot of good insight when he's town, so I'm quoting this for posterity (that is if anyone ever bothers to read my posts again).

 

Seriously though, Pral is SMART guys.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence :wub:

 

(I hope you are not trying to pocket me, lol)

 

Entirety of the rest of his posts, no casing with the information he does have seems un-catch-up-Pral-like.

 

 

 

GOAT 1-post wolf outing?

 

Where you at brother Z?

 

 

 

Give me your WTL today and why please.

That Pral post has my read flags waving and I could go there.

 

I've stated my issues with Random like four times and my biggest hesitation is just a lack of 100% read of the thread. If I don't see something super towny between now and DL I can go there.

 

I really want to hear more people weigh in on Pral's post.

 

 

 

Hey Pral is here.

 

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

 

 

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

 

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up. 

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum. 

 

 

 

 

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

 

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up. 

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

 

Where is the case/quotes I'm used to seeing come along with your scum read?

 

 

 

Need to not let myself play Mafia all day

 

Been pretty good about it so far

 

Shutting my PC off bb tonight

 

 

 

 

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

 

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up. 

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

 

Where is the case/quotes I'm used to seeing come along with your scum read?

 

 

Once I am fully caught up. If I am still alive.

 

 

 

 

Like I read this again and Im thinking if its anyone but Pral Id prolly say he'd be a Villa but Im just not sure....

[Eldrick4221]

Again with the Cass and dice town reads without explanation.

 

His reasons for other reads are decent. Ones I agree with. Easy ones, but at least they are something.

[Eldrick4221]

Losing focus now. Can't go over the spoiler bit.

[Eldrick4221]

Night

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

I am only about 40 pages into the game. Unlikely I will catch up before deadline. Just too many posts.

 

Thoughts so far:

 

Manbat felt townie in that outburst. Don't see him being that emotional as town. So is Nyn. 

Zander has looked fine despite his lower than usual posts. Typical as an early Zander game. 

 

Eldrick seems aggressive and posting a lot. Some posts stood out - like voting Manbat around the time he was active - which looked a bit opportunistic. And, his going after Darthe when he mentioned that he is not going to read the game. I would say he falls under the category of "too wolfy to be a wolf".

 

Notbob, Darthe and Dice seem null or they are playing like they usually do D1. 

 

One person I find odd is Shad. Not about the level of posting but he just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff. That is really odd knowing how he plays. If at this point, I am asked who is scum, I would say Shad. 

 

ummmmm what!?!?!!?!

 

 

"Emotional as scum". Yeah, typo. 

 

 

Why did you have Nyn and Dice separate then?

 

And IS is a definite type usage here imo.

 

 

My head didn't plug this together right last time I saw it.

 

Makes sense as a typo since he also called Manbat townie.

 

And my giddy feels go out the window.  :\

 

 

I dont know if this is Scum!Shad seeing me jump on poss Town!Pral mistake and later seeing no one else really took off taking the "i didnt think of typo lome" response or he wanted to jump on a slip by his Scummate early in the event it took off to look good.

 

Admittedly the former makes a little more sense to me.

 

You got me Z I'm wolfin', town!Shad neglects his kids to play Mafia all day.

 

 

This is what y'all get.  Learn to actually read me.

 

 

 

You got me Z I'm wolfin', town!Shad neglects his kids to play Mafia all day.

Its not mafia until everyone is mad.

 

 

lolololololololol

[Sooh]

 

 

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?

Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

 

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

 

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

 

 

ANYONE SEE SOOH'S LAST READS LIST?!?!!?!?!?!

 

ANYONE NOTICE HOW ZANDER PUSHED ME TO MAKE A LIST BEFORE I WAS READY???!?!?!?!?!!?!

[Zander?]

Where did that perception even come from and why do you have to sketch me out every time I'm feeling totally confident on your slot? 

 

FML

[Zander?]

 

Because its weird he separated a hydra into 2 different reads on his reads list imo

 

If you and Nyce are actually Villa's that post kinda reads like a slip to me as well.

There was nothing weird there. I was referring Nyn/monstr spat and referenced Nyn.

 

And, commented on playstyle of Dice.

 

That you are making it seem suspicious was nudging at best

 

 

I also called it TMI so ya it was me sussing you for the entire post.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Anyone think Pral/Shad could be w/w with Pral's tendency to bus?!!?!?!?

  

LOL

 

I didn't know Pral busses, but I had this exact thought wrt you and Random earlier

 

If I had a gun and two bullets id shoot myself twice.

RANDOM WHY

Towny IMO

 

I think Sooh looks ok here too.

 

Re-reading then ISO time.

 

My least-knowns right now are Pral, NotBob and Calder.

 

 

need to explain more then this Cass

 

 

Ok. This?

 

There is absolutely no deep thought.

 

 

WRT Darthe quote

 

'Towny IMO' was in reaction to the bold. It makes less sense looking hard at it. RANDOM WHY? was basically the main thought rolling through my head as I skimmed. 

I could also have shot myself in the face out of confusion/frustration.

 

It's not a deep reference to a read on Darthe. 

 

WRT Sooh - off the cuff call that what I was reading sounded alright.

 

 

But you said you DIDNT but you did.

 

You use the words TOWNY and looks good TOO

 

This is pretty clearly Town leans imo.

 

 

@ EVERYONE

 

If shes Scum do you think the big bolded part looks good or bad for Pral

[Zander?]

You talked before about Pral bussing early. Sooh mentioned it to (not sure if it was here or to me)

 

How well does he snap read as town?

 

 

IIRC he's someone that has good d1 reads.

 

Most people dont have good D1 reads imo.

 

Pral can certainly make some good reads tho I dont know about snap reads.

 

Im also not sure how familiar Pral is with Shad or his history of reading him.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?

Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

 

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

 

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

 

 

ANYONE SEE SOOH'S LAST READS LIST?!?!!?!?!?!

 

ANYONE NOTICE HOW ZANDER PUSHED ME TO MAKE A LIST BEFORE I WAS READY???!?!?!?!?!!?!

 

 

True enough.

[randomh3r0]

@zander if cass is mafia, IMO that looks good for pral, if anything, but she's saying least known. Not sure there's much in that list

[Zander?]

@zander if cass is mafia, IMO that looks good for pral, if anything, but she's saying least known. Not sure there's much in that list

 

i was thinking null is a good place for a teammate possibly.

[Pralaya]

 

 

Because its weird he separated a hydra into 2 different reads on his reads list imo

 

If you and Nyce are actually Villa's that post kinda reads like a slip to me as well.

There was nothing weird there. I was referring Nyn/monstr spat and referenced Nyn.

 

And, commented on playstyle of Dice.

 

That you are making it seem suspicious was nudging at best

 

 

I also called it TMI so ya it was me sussing you for the entire post.

 

What is TMI here? Calling Nyn as townie for that outburst and Dice as null for his playstyle? Huh?

[Pralaya]

What Zander wrote:

 

 

 

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?

Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

 

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

 

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

 

 

ANYONE SEE SOOH'S LAST READS LIST?!?!!?!?!?!

 

 

 

ok lmk when youre caught up

 

start being villagery

 

really wanna hear your take on Sooh/Eld

 

*blink*

 

 

lolololololololol

 

 

@Shad - where are you getting your Sooh meta from?

I'm not sure I even understand this question but I've played/spectated quite a few games with her. I've struggled to read her more in some games than others but I've never been dead wrong.

 

 

I dunno Im thinking I may wanna test this....

 

 

 

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read.

 

Is anyone else noticing the random/sock/nyce triangle of town reads on each other since I called out Eldrick's connections post?!??!?!!?

 

Likely town

Nyce

Random

random hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

 

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

 

They're all trending positively on one another to some degree, but I'm not sure what you're getting at with red unless you think scum!Eldrick kicked off the game by informing us that if scum!Nyce is a wolf then scum!Random is too. 

 

The only thing that really sticks out here to me is Random calling Dice town while saying mostly negative things about him, which doesn't say anything about Dice's alignment but leaves me wondering about Random a bit.

 

@Random can you/did you explain this town vibe?

 

 

Ya this pretty much confirms to me theres a Wolf in Sock/Dice/Cass

 

The only person he really takes issue here is the guy who is like almost confirmed Town Cop.

 

He's not gonna remove like a quarter of the starting roster from being able to be pushed as ml's imo

 

What I actually see:

 

Nudge

 

Nudge

 

Nudge

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Because its weird he separated a hydra into 2 different reads on his reads list imo

 

If you and Nyce are actually Villa's that post kinda reads like a slip to me as well.

There was nothing weird there. I was referring Nyn/monstr spat and referenced Nyn.

 

And, commented on playstyle of Dice.

 

That you are making it seem suspicious was nudging at best

 

 

I also called it TMI so ya it was me sussing you for the entire post.

 

What is TMI here? Calling Nyn as townie for that outburst and Dice as null for his playstyle? Huh?

 

 

 

I am only about 40 pages into the game. Unlikely I will catch up before deadline. Just too many posts.

 

Thoughts so far:

 

Manbat felt townie in that outburst. Don't see him being that emotional as town. So is Nyn. 

Zander has looked fine despite his lower than usual posts. Typical as an early Zander game. 

 

Eldrick seems aggressive and posting a lot. Some posts stood out - like voting Manbat around the time he was active - which looked a bit opportunistic. And, his going after Darthe when he mentioned that he is not going to read the game. I would say he falls under the category of "too wolfy to be a wolf".

 

Notbob, Darthe and Dice seem null or they are playing like they usually do D1. 

 

One person I find odd is Shad. Not about the level of posting but he just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff. That is really odd knowing how he plays. If at this point, I am asked who is scum, I would say Shad. 

 

its the use of the word is in the sentence that reads like you know both are.

 

maybe im wrong and if so you and monstr prolly not w/w in that case.

[Zander?]

What Zander wrote:

 

 

 

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?

Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

 

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

 

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

 

 

ANYONE SEE SOOH'S LAST READS LIST?!?!!?!?!?!

 

 

 

ok lmk when youre caught up

 

start being villagery

 

really wanna hear your take on Sooh/Eld

 

*blink*

 

 

lolololololololol

 

 

@Shad - where are you getting your Sooh meta from?

I'm not sure I even understand this question but I've played/spectated quite a few games with her. I've struggled to read her more in some games than others but I've never been dead wrong.

 

 

I dunno Im thinking I may wanna test this....

 

 

 

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read.

 

Is anyone else noticing the random/sock/nyce triangle of town reads on each other since I called out Eldrick's connections post?!??!?!!?

 

Likely town

Nyce

Random

random hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

 

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

 

They're all trending positively on one another to some degree, but I'm not sure what you're getting at with red unless you think scum!Eldrick kicked off the game by informing us that if scum!Nyce is a wolf then scum!Random is too. 

 

The only thing that really sticks out here to me is Random calling Dice town while saying mostly negative things about him, which doesn't say anything about Dice's alignment but leaves me wondering about Random a bit.

 

@Random can you/did you explain this town vibe?

 

 

Ya this pretty much confirms to me theres a Wolf in Sock/Dice/Cass

 

The only person he really takes issue here is the guy who is like almost confirmed Town Cop.

 

He's not gonna remove like a quarter of the starting roster from being able to be pushed as ml's imo

 

What I actually see:

 

Nudge

 

Nudge

 

Nudge

 

 

Im not the only one who thinks theres Wolves in there so thoughts on that?!?!?

 

So it seems like you think im a wolf, can you lay out the case on me please?

 

Also would be my partner in that case?

 

And assume for a moment Im confirmed Town somehow, who are the Wolves then iyo and why?

[Sooh]

What Zander wrote:

 

*snip*

 

What I actually see:

 

Nudge

 

Nudge

 

Nudge

 

I don't disagree. 

[Sooh]

Zander, instead of nudging for every little thing you see, can you try to build a case and see if it makes sense?

[Pralaya]

Im not the only one who thinks theres Wolves in there so thoughts on that?!?!?

 

So it seems like you think im a wolf, can you lay out the case on me please?

 

Also would be my partner in that case?

 

And assume for a moment Im confirmed Town somehow, who are the Wolves then iyo and why?

 

You have basically said scum is in sock/cass/dice and has also said I may have bused Shad. Who is remaining?

 

You do realise that except Darthe and Amega and the other known town, you are calling everyone a scum suspect, right? And, I am casing you and showing where I am thinking you are scum. 

 

If you ask me, neither of those 3 are likely to be scum. My thoughts say Zander > Amega > Darthe as the likely scum remaining. I confess though, I haven't read Darthe in detail - this is just from POE based on my town reads