[Standard] Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Mafia Wins D4

[Sooh]

 

 

What does bother me however is that after the Ironeyes claim she goes after saying how Darthe knew Ironeyes was a villager. Well how did she know? TMI?

No, if you remember I said there were two possible reasons why Darthe would be town reading Ironeyes:

1. Fellow wolf, wanting to keep the lynch off

2. Knowing he was a villager and wanting to keep his hands clean. 

 

I thought, ok, well even if Ironeyes is a villager, Scum!Darthe had his reasons to want to keep the lynch off of him, or at least not implicate himself in it. That's what I was alluding to.

 

Why did you follow Darthe's suggestion to vote Ironeyes instead of him?

 

Because I thought they were both wolves, so it didn't matter atp.

[Lizabeth]

 

@Sooh, why are you ignoring me? :(

 

@Cory, I'm going to try to say this as politely as I can, knowing that you and I are not the best of neighbours and things tend to flame out unnecessarily when we talk (which is why, quite frankly, I'm trying to engage you as little as possible at the moment).

 

In a world where Sooh and I are not scummmates, what do you see? If I'm scum and Sooh's not, who would be my team mate? If Sooh's scum and I'm not, who would be her team mate?

 

I'm not really a "wolf team builder", i generally just try to lynch the people i think are "least likely" to be villagers each day using whatever information I personally have

 

I'll give you a more informed answer of who I think are the most probable wolves / villagers when I'm done with whatever process is unfurling on my side and I would imagine that'd answer your question

 

Okay, then let's look at it this way. In a universe where Sooh and I can't possibly be wolves together (it was decided by the gods before time and space began) who do you see as most likely to take one or more of our places?

[Sooh]

 

 

How about the third possible reason of Darthe just having a village read on Ironeyes because we are PLAYING A GAME on the INTERNET where you have to MAKE EDUCATED GUESSES on PEOPLE'S ALIGNMENTS

Well in that case HE DIDNT EXPLAIN HIMSELF VERY WELL, DID HE? 

 

At the end of the day you were still unsure if you believed Ironeyes' claim iirc, so I don't know why you weren't pushing Darthe to explain his read since he hadn't made any stances basically all game up until then.

 

 

Have you ever talked to Darthe

 

Yes, and usually he's more forthcoming with reads than that. He might not always appear coherent, but he'll tell you his opinion.

 

 

[Sooh]

Sooh I just believe literally nothing you say to me at this point.

 

I am reading, I just don't believe this is how you would play the game as a villager.

Well I don't know what to do then. I'm trying to explain as well as I can why I did the things I did that you find wolfy, and if you can't see the sincerity in my responses, well I guess you can't. 

 

 

I don't like that you're not even trying to reconsider.

[Sooh]

@Sooh, why are you ignoring me? :(

 

@Cory, I'm going to try to say this as politely as I can, knowing that you and I are not the best of neighbours and things tend to flame out unnecessarily when we talk (which is why, quite frankly, I'm trying to engage you as little as possible at the moment).

 

In a world where Sooh and I are not scummmates, what do you see? If I'm scum and Sooh's not, who would be my team mate? If Sooh's scum and I'm not, who would be her team mate?

I've been catching up all this time. Did I get to the things you felt needed responding to or not?

[Sooh]

You seem like you're acting. And you're acting a little HARDER now because there's attention on you but it still just seems like an act and I can't find an answer to "WHY IS SOOH ACTING?" besides that you're a wolf

I feel like I'm just banging my head against the wall here.

[Cory Caboose]

the "urkel" thing was a reference to the Kanye West song "Dark Fantasy" - which opens his masterpiece My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - which has an all-time great (imo) lyric:

 

" Too many urkels on your team,

That's why your wins low "

 

Which was also a self-meta reference to this post I made in a previous game (championship season 1 represent):

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=45313470&postcount=6466&s=54d2a7f07fd76ee714f7c94bcf83b170

 

because I'm a weird nerd and sometimes I like to amuse myself with callbacks

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

 

What does bother me however is that after the Ironeyes claim she goes after saying how Darthe knew Ironeyes was a villager. Well how did she know? TMI?

No, if you remember I said there were two possible reasons why Darthe would be town reading Ironeyes:

1. Fellow wolf, wanting to keep the lynch off

2. Knowing he was a villager and wanting to keep his hands clean. 

 

I thought, ok, well even if Ironeyes is a villager, Scum!Darthe had his reasons to want to keep the lynch off of him, or at least not implicate himself in it. That's what I was alluding to.

 

Why did you follow Darthe's suggestion to vote Ironeyes instead of him?

 

Because I thought they were both wolves, so it didn't matter atp.

 

 

So you thought Darthe was a wolf earnestly telling you that Ironeyes must be his partner at that point and time

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

@Sooh, why are you ignoring me? :(

 

@Cory, I'm going to try to say this as politely as I can, knowing that you and I are not the best of neighbours and things tend to flame out unnecessarily when we talk (which is why, quite frankly, I'm trying to engage you as little as possible at the moment).

 

In a world where Sooh and I are not scummmates, what do you see? If I'm scum and Sooh's not, who would be my team mate? If Sooh's scum and I'm not, who would be her team mate?

 

I'm not really a "wolf team builder", i generally just try to lynch the people i think are "least likely" to be villagers each day using whatever information I personally have

 

I'll give you a more informed answer of who I think are the most probable wolves / villagers when I'm done with whatever process is unfurling on my side and I would imagine that'd answer your question

 

Okay, then let's look at it this way. In a universe where Sooh and I can't possibly be wolves together (it was decided by the gods before time and space began) who do you see as most likely to take one or more of our places?

 

 

Kat is the third up so there you go

 

I posts these lists I post for a reason you know :P

[Cory Caboose]

 

Sooh I just believe literally nothing you say to me at this point.

 

I am reading, I just don't believe this is how you would play the game as a villager.

Well I don't know what to do then. I'm trying to explain as well as I can why I did the things I did that you find wolfy, and if you can't see the sincerity in my responses, well I guess you can't. 

 

 

I don't like that you're not even trying to reconsider.

 

 

Because I really think you're a wolf

And I have trouble thinking of a lot of the other players as not villagers

 

Why are you a villager? what would you have done differently as a wolf? What am I missing

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

What does bother me however is that after the Ironeyes claim she goes after saying how Darthe knew Ironeyes was a villager. Well how did she know? TMI?

No, if you remember I said there were two possible reasons why Darthe would be town reading Ironeyes:

1. Fellow wolf, wanting to keep the lynch off

2. Knowing he was a villager and wanting to keep his hands clean. 

 

I thought, ok, well even if Ironeyes is a villager, Scum!Darthe had his reasons to want to keep the lynch off of him, or at least not implicate himself in it. That's what I was alluding to.

 

Why did you follow Darthe's suggestion to vote Ironeyes instead of him?

 

Because I thought they were both wolves, so it didn't matter atp.

 

 

So you thought Darthe was a wolf earnestly telling you that Ironeyes must be his partner at that point and time

 

I thought Darthe was daring me to vote Ironeyes, yes. In the heat of that moment that's what was in my mind. 

[Cory Caboose]

Like don't take it personally

 

I don't like pushing you and from what I can see you've had a rough few days

 

But... this is what I think and you know who I am and that I'm going to be open pursuing what I think

 

If I'm wrong do my best to show me why and I'll do my best to reconsider but understand this game has not been a walk in the park

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

What does bother me however is that after the Ironeyes claim she goes after saying how Darthe knew Ironeyes was a villager. Well how did she know? TMI?

No, if you remember I said there were two possible reasons why Darthe would be town reading Ironeyes:

1. Fellow wolf, wanting to keep the lynch off

2. Knowing he was a villager and wanting to keep his hands clean. 

 

I thought, ok, well even if Ironeyes is a villager, Scum!Darthe had his reasons to want to keep the lynch off of him, or at least not implicate himself in it. That's what I was alluding to.

 

Why did you follow Darthe's suggestion to vote Ironeyes instead of him?

 

Because I thought they were both wolves, so it didn't matter atp.

 

Okay, thanks.

 

What are your current reads right now? Top town and top scum.

[Cory Caboose]

I thought Darthe was daring me to vote Ironeyes, yes. In the heat of that moment that's what was in my mind. 

 

What did you think of Darthe's general changed approach this game? Why did you think he might do it as a villager? Why did you think he might do it as a wolf?

[Sooh]

 

 

Sooh I just believe literally nothing you say to me at this point.

 

I am reading, I just don't believe this is how you would play the game as a villager.

Well I don't know what to do then. I'm trying to explain as well as I can why I did the things I did that you find wolfy, and if you can't see the sincerity in my responses, well I guess you can't. 

 

 

I don't like that you're not even trying to reconsider.

 

 

Because I really think you're a wolf

And I have trouble thinking of a lot of the other players as not villagers

 

Why are you a villager? what would you have done differently as a wolf? What am I missing

 

I don't have a master list of accomplishments this game, Cory. I have lynched a villager and pushed a villager. As a wolf, that's exactly what I would want to do too. I can't clear me for you here, and we both know that. You have to do your process and conclude on your own. 

[Lizabeth]

 

@Sooh, why are you ignoring me? :(

 

@Cory, I'm going to try to say this as politely as I can, knowing that you and I are not the best of neighbours and things tend to flame out unnecessarily when we talk (which is why, quite frankly, I'm trying to engage you as little as possible at the moment).

 

In a world where Sooh and I are not scummmates, what do you see? If I'm scum and Sooh's not, who would be my team mate? If Sooh's scum and I'm not, who would be her team mate?

I've been catching up all this time. Did I get to the things you felt needed responding to or not?

 

Honestly, i can't remember at the moment :P

 

But I'll let you know if there's something

[Sooh]

Like don't take it personally

 

I don't like pushing you and from what I can see you've had a rough few days

 

But... this is what I think and you know who I am and that I'm going to be open pursuing what I think

 

If I'm wrong do my best to show me why and I'll do my best to reconsider but understand this game has not been a walk in the park

Been trying ever since I came in here today, and I will keep trying until I'm dead this game or the game is over. 

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

What does bother me however is that after the Ironeyes claim she goes after saying how Darthe knew Ironeyes was a villager. Well how did she know? TMI?

No, if you remember I said there were two possible reasons why Darthe would be town reading Ironeyes:

1. Fellow wolf, wanting to keep the lynch off

2. Knowing he was a villager and wanting to keep his hands clean. 

 

I thought, ok, well even if Ironeyes is a villager, Scum!Darthe had his reasons to want to keep the lynch off of him, or at least not implicate himself in it. That's what I was alluding to.

 

Why did you follow Darthe's suggestion to vote Ironeyes instead of him?

 

Because I thought they were both wolves, so it didn't matter atp.

 

 

 

Okay, thanks.

 

What are your current reads right now? Top town and top scum.

 

I have Nyn and BFG as my top town. Towards the bottom I have Kat, you and Csarmi.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

@Sooh, why are you ignoring me? :(

 

@Cory, I'm going to try to say this as politely as I can, knowing that you and I are not the best of neighbours and things tend to flame out unnecessarily when we talk (which is why, quite frankly, I'm trying to engage you as little as possible at the moment).

 

In a world where Sooh and I are not scummmates, what do you see? If I'm scum and Sooh's not, who would be my team mate? If Sooh's scum and I'm not, who would be her team mate?

 

 

 

I'm not really a "wolf team builder", i generally just try to lynch the people i think are "least likely" to be villagers each day using whatever information I personally have

 

I'll give you a more informed answer of who I think are the most probable wolves / villagers when I'm done with whatever process is unfurling on my side and I would imagine that'd answer your question

 

Okay, then let's look at it this way. In a universe where Sooh and I can't possibly be wolves together (it was decided by the gods before time and space began) who do you see as most likely to take one or more of our places?

 

 

Kat is the third up so there you go

 

I posts these lists I post for a reason you know :P

 

Yeah, I remembered your reads list after I posted this. The question was basically to try to get you out of tunneling.

 

I think there's a good chance that Sooh is mafia, but I don't see the way you're currently approaching her as being very productive. And I know by your reputation that you're better than this.

 

I know that I'm town and you're tunneling on me. And I think it's ridiculous to think that I would be pushing Sooh as a lynch prospect the way I am if she were my one and only team mate or one of two team mates and as you can see from today, it's unnecessary because there's not a big will to lynch her. I know there are experienced players who readily bus their teammates early, but I'm not one of them. If I were that type of player, I would have bussed lenny big time in 90s Mafia, and I didn't.

 

 

 

If you're playing this way as scum, then enjoy your win. Personally, I would consider it a cheap one and you don't strike me as the type who would put this much energy into cheap play.

[Sooh]

 

I thought Darthe was daring me to vote Ironeyes, yes. In the heat of that moment that's what was in my mind. 

 

What did you think of Darthe's general changed approach this game? Why did you think he might do it as a villager? Why did you think he might do it as a wolf?

 

Like I said before, it felt reminiscent of his play in Spoopy mafia on VS, where he was scum, but just seemed so disinterested in the game. He seemed kind of disinterested this game as well, but there was a sense of feeling deflated as well, so it made me feel like he was genuine for a while. I had him as a town read up until EOD shenanigans.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What does bother me however is that after the Ironeyes claim she goes after saying how Darthe knew Ironeyes was a villager. Well how did she know? TMI?

No, if you remember I said there were two possible reasons why Darthe would be town reading Ironeyes:

1. Fellow wolf, wanting to keep the lynch off

2. Knowing he was a villager and wanting to keep his hands clean. 

 

I thought, ok, well even if Ironeyes is a villager, Scum!Darthe had his reasons to want to keep the lynch off of him, or at least not implicate himself in it. That's what I was alluding to.

 

Why did you follow Darthe's suggestion to vote Ironeyes instead of him?

 

Because I thought they were both wolves, so it didn't matter atp.

 

 

Okay, thanks.

 

What are your current reads right now? Top town and top scum.

 

I have Nyn and BFG as my top town. Towards the bottom I have Kat, you and Csarmi.

 

Okay. Reasons for each one please.

[Cory Caboose]

If I made a big MISS this game it was Nyn

 

Looking through Kat now but the fact that I'm not 100% on Nyn has gnawed on my brain and I'm going to stop ignoring it for the sake of being thorough

[Lizabeth]

If Nyn is scum, she deserves the win :(

[BFG]

 

@Liz, I think so. And the urkel stuff is something I have a gut reaction to (for want of a better term) that is mostly a 'me' thing

Okay, thanks.

 

I'm wondering about your current thoughts on Sooh, Kat, Pral, and Csarmi?

 

Same thing to @Nyn when she gets here.

 

Pral I have legitimately no idea how to read. He's pushing Cory pretty hard which I think is a good look, even if I think he's wrong.

 

Kat's read on me/Cory seems concerning, and I'm not blown away by the rest, but can't say I'm particularly confident on any of these four. I'm waiting to see who she pushes/votes for tomorrow, there's something in particular I'm looking for, but currently I don't think she's looking good

 

Csarmi stubbornness I think is a good look

 

Sooh, I'm reviewing now

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What does bother me however is that after the Ironeyes claim she goes after saying how Darthe knew Ironeyes was a villager. Well how did she know? TMI?

No, if you remember I said there were two possible reasons why Darthe would be town reading Ironeyes:

1. Fellow wolf, wanting to keep the lynch off

2. Knowing he was a villager and wanting to keep his hands clean. 

 

I thought, ok, well even if Ironeyes is a villager, Scum!Darthe had his reasons to want to keep the lynch off of him, or at least not implicate himself in it. That's what I was alluding to.

 

Why did you follow Darthe's suggestion to vote Ironeyes instead of him?

 

Because I thought they were both wolves, so it didn't matter atp.

 

 

Okay, thanks.

 

What are your current reads right now? Top town and top scum.

 

I have Nyn and BFG as my top town. Towards the bottom I have Kat, you and Csarmi.

 

Okay. Reasons for each one please.

 

I have explained Nyn and BFG before. 

Kat is one of those who I tend to always scum read, so she does tend to end up in my POE regardless. 

Your approach is very different from mine, and I still don't feel like you've given me an explanation regarding your progression on me and the EOD of D1 in general. 

Csarmi is down in POE basically because he was defending me, and then it felt like he needed to give people an opening or permission to vote me.